9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
It takes time and energy absorption to break a weld, so right there the evidence isn't adding up.

You mean all that time when it was on fire lit up with tens of thousands of pounds in jet fuel. All that time when you have a major part of an external supported tower missing. You have 35-40% of the building's weight on thin air and shattered concrete and steal.
It DOES NOT TAKE A PHYSICS MAJOR to realize what happened.
It takes a 9 year old playing Jenga to figure out it can be done without explosives. A structural engineer would just confirm what the 9 year old said.
9 year old ownts you!

16/110 = 14.5%, looks like a 9 yr old's math just ownts you! :roll:

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

did you take into account that every floor feels even greater force than the last? it's like a tank running over a car - a tank doesn't even slow down because it's so massive and powerful.

let's say you're on the 50th floor. the 50th floor will experience a load of 61MG (M= mass of floor, G = gravity) because you have the 60 floors above it, plus the force of gravity on the floor itself. likewise, the 49th floor will experience 62MG, 48th 63MG, and so on. therefore, every floor will break more easily than the last.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused
Who's physics?

Watch the video again.

And as I just pointed out, that claim is absurd.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Only if we bring back the YAGTs where you pathetically crying about your ex ElFenix

what the hell are you talking about?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Fire retardant only had to be blown off a floor or two? Maybe you missed the part about the fires down elevator shafts, quoting Legend. If you honestly believe that a weakened frame from a plane + gravity brought the building down with the same speed as a demo job, then that's your opinion and I do not agree.

the fires going down the elevator shaft were burning jet fuel, what does fire retardant have to do with that?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You still never addressed the original argument: How is it possible for 94 floors to fall into each other as fast as a free falling object without explosives? Take a physics class please, then post again.

How much is a person's hand slowed down if they do a karate chop through 8 blocks of wood?

So the top of the building was moving with a force other than gravity similar to the force generated from a karate chop? Please, don't post anymore. :laugh:

SP33Demon,

Even with demolition, they break only enough structural elements to allow the building to collapse. They do not blow every supportive element. So there is a lot of energy adsorption going on even in a demolition.

Furthermore, to do what this theory claims in the WTC would require hundreds of charges on every floor around the perimeter. Why? Because the main structural elements of the WTC were the beams visible from the outside.

Yep, every one of those beams supported the weight of the building. And for your theory to work, every beam at every floor would need a charge on it. Not to mention the core of the building, which was supportive as well.

And have you seen a building set for demolition? They have to gut the building to get to the structural supports.

The demolition theory is just too laughable. Either a building can collapse at that speed breaking through the floors, or a charge would have to be set on every level, at hundreds of locations.

Think about it for a minute, OK?

I never said that I believed explosives were set on every floor, of course that is preposterous. But a demolition type job had to be performed to bring it down that quick, it wasn't done by just one hit on a couple floors by a plane. Think about it, the WTC fell with the speed of an excellent demo job. Are we supposed to believe that gravity and a plane hit to couple floors of the structure brought the entire building down at the same speed as a demo job?

Yes, because in order to speed it up any, a significant, or all the supportive elements on every floor would have to be severed. But the MAIN thing that would have to be done to speed it up would be to open each floor by removing the windows.

When a building reaches the critical point, it's going down, and fast. The main things that slows the fall are air pockets within the structure on each floor, and the elements hitting each other on the way down. NOT the elements breaking. Once the tops fell on the rest of the structure, the entire structure was doomed. No demolition was needed for what happened to have happened. The unique structure of the building made for the pancake effect so many equate with demolition... and this absurd myth.

The floor crashing into another floor on the way down absorbs energy. Every floor that hits another, even in a pancake effect, will slow it down. It simply does not justify the time it fell, and many physics professors across the country agree. You're entitled to your opinion, but I think the fact that you don't understand physics may be the reason why you think pancaking should occur almost as fast as an object in freefall.

Your own evidence says it did slow it down, 1.6 seconds. What you you expect, it to take a smoke break with each floor? How long do you expect it to take for the building to fall? Upwards of thirty minutes? More than an hour?

<1.6s is the equivalent of a dam good demo job. You can believe what you want, I don't care what you think, and I don't care who put the explosives there. Time for lunch.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
It takes time and energy absorption to break a weld, so right there the evidence isn't adding up.

You mean all that time when it was on fire lit up with tens of thousands of pounds in jet fuel. All that time when you have a major part of an external supported tower missing. You have 35-40% of the building's weight on thin air and shattered concrete and steal.
It DOES NOT TAKE A PHYSICS MAJOR to realize what happened.
It takes a 9 year old playing Jenga to figure out it can be done without explosives. A structural engineer would just confirm what the 9 year old said.
9 year old ownts you!

16/110 = 14.5%, looks like a 9 yr old's math just ownts you! :roll:

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

did you take into account that every floor feels even greater force than the last? it's like a tank running over a car - a tank doesn't even slow down because it's so massive and powerful.

let's say you're on the 50th floor. the 50th floor will experience a load of 61MG (M= mass of floor, G = gravity) because you have the 60 floors above it, plus the force of gravity on the floor itself. likewise, the 49th floor will experience 62MG, 48th 63MG, and so on. therefore, every floor will break more easily than the last.

he forgot mass in a physics formula???
Slwdemon33, you ownt yourself...again.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Only if we bring back the YAGTs where you pathetically crying about your ex ElFenix

what the hell are you talking about?

Oh, you thought we forgot the pathetic threads about your ex? lol.

 

[Amused]

SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Only if we bring back the YAGTs where you pathetically crying about your ex ElFenix

what the hell are you talking about?

Oh, you thought we forgot the pathetic threads about your ex? lol.

Ad hom attacks just make your argument pitiable.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

 

[So]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I'm going to assume that he was basing this on some actual statement about oil conspiracy theories on the part of sp33d demon

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: glugglug
If you really look at the evidence, occam's razor says the GOP was behind it.

Al Quaeda is the conspiracy theory.

May I suggest slashing your wrist with Occam's razor?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Only if we bring back the YAGTs where you pathetically crying about your ex ElFenix

what the hell are you talking about?

Oh, you thought we forgot the pathetic threads about your ex? lol.

what threads about ex? i've never posted anything here about exes.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I'm going to assume that he was basing this on some actual statement about oil conspiracy theories on the part of sp33d demon

Nope, not into oil conspiracies although I did find it odd that a year after Katrina that we were still at 25% higher prices from PreKatrina levels. I attribute that to poor management of our country's overflowing reserves which weren't used (and should have been IMO) to mitigate international spikes in price for oil.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Only if we bring back the YAGTs where you pathetically crying about your ex ElFenix

what the hell are you talking about?

Oh, you thought we forgot the pathetic threads about your ex? lol.

what threads about ex? i've never posted anything here about exes.

So you never had an ex who moved away and broke your heart? hmmm.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I had a debate with him in another thread about oil companies and gas prices.

SP33Demon is easily swayed by propaganda websites and videos and does not think critically about their claims. This tells me he enjoys believing these things. Much like Bigfoot believers and such.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I'm going to assume that he was basing this on some actual statement about oil conspiracy theories on the part of sp33d demon

Nope, not into oil conspiracies although I did find it odd that a year after Katrina that we were still at 25% higher prices from PreKatrina levels. I attribute that to poor management of our country's overflowing reserves which weren't used (and should have been IMO) to mitigate international spikes in price for oil.

It was explained to you that:

a. Oil prices are 25% higher than pre Katrina and...
b. The strategic reserves are for emergencies, not to ease the pinch on your wallet.

The oil companies had nothing to do with it.

Also, in an attempt to prove your point you produced a highly biased activist site full of conspiracy theories but conveniently missing the two very obvious points I made above.

It is the same thing you're doing here. You are believing whole cloth the claims of Loose Change without thinking critically. This tells me you WANT to believe it.

Maybe this page can do that for you:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

The claims in Loose Change are so patently absurd, you'd have to WANT to believe it to actually believe it.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
the extent at which 9/11 was previously known about to the govt and the extent of their involvement before and after is irrelevant.

what is relevant is that we are not being told the whole truth. conspiracies are as much half truths as the crap we are fed from fox news and company.

I think that is the message these polls are really showing. Skepticism of what the official story is. including root causes, how it was carried out and the aftermath.

QFT

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I had a debate with him in another thread about oil companies and gas prices.

SP33Demon is easily swayed by propaganda websites and videos and does not think critically about their claims. This tells me he enjoys believing these things. Much like Bigfoot believers and such.

Say what you want but I consider myself a very logical person. <1.6s over 94 stories relative to an object freefalling is the equivalent of a very good demo job in any way, shape, or form. I could care less if an opinionated person such as yourself spins such drivel that I'm privy to "conspiracy theories". I could most certainly spin anything that you believe as "logical" into a subcription to a conspiracy theory, but nobody is losing sleep over what someone calls another over the internet.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

1) So what you're saying is that a roughly a couple floors' worth of fire resistant material caused the whole building to collapse? Why are you even bringing fire into the equation at this point? Sure it will weaken the support, but it certainly shouldn't cause a collapse unless all the support for that area is destroyed, like with explosives. A couple levels of fire resistant material getting blown off is irrelevant.

Next, if you watched the vid it said that 8.4s was the time for a freefall object from the 94th floor, not 110, so that was already taken into account. Also, the fact that you're comparing a perfect free fall in a "vacuum" to explosives on a building shows that you're naive, yes. Nobody said that that a building with explosives will fall exactly the same rate as a free fall, but it will be dam close, within a couple of seconds. You talk like the WTC was a deck of cards, and you make it sound like it could be blown down in a bad storm (which is the only way it could have fell as fast as it did, if it really did have the support analogous to a deck of cards, i.e. none).

Furthermore, where is your proof that "lighter stuff" fell down later? Or is this just more speculation and "theory"? I've shown you the graph, you saw it in the video and counted the seconds of how fast it fell (approximately). No building that big will fall that closely to a freefall unless some type of explosives were used. Energy will be absorbed on the way down by the "welds" and supports of each floor even inclusive of the pancake explanation.

Again, the floors below supported some of the weight of the floors above, but the floors above were supported by their own structure also. The *WHOLE* structure supported everything. The second you weaken one section of that structure the amount of support that the floors below have to have increases dramatically. You essentially increase the incremental load for every floor benieth. Furthermore, I have stated several times that the whole structure is extremely strong, but once you remove pieces it gets wobbly, like Jenga.

How do you know a building with explosives will fall "dang close". You have no idea, you are putting as much conjecture out there as I am, but at least mine is logical. As somebody stated above, in order to do what you are suggesting the external tube structure would have to be blown, something which is immediately visable.

 

[Jeff7]

It is sad to think that half the population thinks that their own government is willing to kill thousand of its own citizens to achieve its foreign policy.

Sad, but most definitely not unprecedented.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I'm going to assume that he was basing this on some actual statement about oil conspiracy theories on the part of sp33d demon

Nope, not into oil conspiracies although I did find it odd that a year after Katrina that we were still at 25% higher prices from PreKatrina levels. I attribute that to poor management of our country's overflowing reserves which weren't used (and should have been IMO) to mitigate international spikes in price for oil.

It was explained to you that:

a. Oil prices are 25% higher than pre Katrina and...
b. The strategic reserves are for emergencies, not to ease the pinch on your wallet.

The oil companies had nothing to do with it.

Also, in an attempt to prove your point you produced a highly biased activist site full of conspiracy theories but conveniently missing the two very obvious points I made above.

It is the same thing you're doing here. You are believing whole cloth the claims of Loose Change without thinking critically. This tells me you WANT to believe it.

Maybe this page can do that for you:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

The claims in Loose Change are so patently absurd, you'd have to WANT to believe it to actually believe it.

The site I linked took 2 seconds to get from Google, lol. It doesn't discount the fact that its information was correct, gas last July was $2.14. If you actually think I read activist sites then more power to ya, but I'm laughing over here.

And it still doesn't change the fact that I think the reserves SHOULD be used to ease the pinch on our wallets, especially when the reserves have been at all time highs for awhile now. Hence I chalk it up as very crappy domestic policy on oil, not a "conspiracy" that I got from some "activist" site.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I had a debate with him in another thread about oil companies and gas prices.

SP33Demon is easily swayed by propaganda websites and videos and does not think critically about their claims. This tells me he enjoys believing these things. Much like Bigfoot believers and such.

Say what you want but I consider myself a very logical person. <1.6s over 94 stories relative to an object freefalling is the equivalent of a very good demo job in any way, shape, or form. I could care less if an opinionated person such as yourself spins such drivel that I'm privy to "conspiracy theories". I could most certainly spin anything that you believe as "logical" into a subcription to a conspiracy theory, but nobody is losing sleep over what someone calls another over the internet.

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

This exposes the BS in loose change. I gave you the time marker to scroll to to see how absurd and misleading the video is especially when it comes to their "free fall" claims... and how wrong all their claims are... also, there is no account for mass in that formula.

This is the second time I've seen your opinion on something swayed by biased, factually incorrect information.

At any rate, you can continue believing what you want to believe, or you can think critically and deal only with the facts. It's up to you.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

I'm going to assume that he was basing this on some actual statement about oil conspiracy theories on the part of sp33d demon

Nope, not into oil conspiracies although I did find it odd that a year after Katrina that we were still at 25% higher prices from PreKatrina levels. I attribute that to poor management of our country's overflowing reserves which weren't used (and should have been IMO) to mitigate international spikes in price for oil.

It was explained to you that:

a. Oil prices are 25% higher than pre Katrina and...
b. The strategic reserves are for emergencies, not to ease the pinch on your wallet.

The oil companies had nothing to do with it.

Also, in an attempt to prove your point you produced a highly biased activist site full of conspiracy theories but conveniently missing the two very obvious points I made above.

It is the same thing you're doing here. You are believing whole cloth the claims of Loose Change without thinking critically. This tells me you WANT to believe it.

Maybe this page can do that for you:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

The claims in Loose Change are so patently absurd, you'd have to WANT to believe it to actually believe it.

The site I linked took 2 seconds to get from Google, lol. It doesn't discount the fact that its information was correct, gas last July was $2.14. If you actually think I read activist sites then more power to ya, but I'm laughing over here.

And it still doesn't change the fact that I think the reserves SHOULD be used to ease the pinch on our wallets, especially when the reserves have been at all time highs for awhile now. Hence I chalk it up as very crappy domestic policy on oil, not a "conspiracy" that I got from some "activist" site.

Even if you don't read that site, you didn't even assess it for bias before using it as a reference. But since you parroted their argument almost 100%, I find it very unlikely that you hadn't read it before.

And crappy domestic policy is using emergency supplies in time of non-emergencies. You just don't do that. That leaves you fscked if and when a real emergency arises.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
Text

How the explosives got there, I don't know nor care but if you think that "frame was melted by fire" or "collapsed on its own" then you're a moron.

So we have fvcking retard #2 and #3 now. But I guess one was bred from the other, so we'll just count them as one.

The fact is, physics can only be applied to structural engineering. It doesn't make an expert of physics an expert of structural engineering. What grade, class, and school does your dad teach any way? There is a huge difference between say a 7th grade physics teacher and a theoretical Physics professor at MIT. Maybe you can provide your dad with more credibility - but I doubt it

He teaches physics at a community college in the summer and 12th grade during the schoolyear, who really cares? The fact of the matter is that 94 floors fell as FAST AS A ROCK (8.4 seconds) would fall through thin air. The laws of Physics will not allow 94 floors of a building to fall on top of each other as fast a rock in thin air unless explosives were involved. If you believe anything otherwise then you are a naive moron and need to take a high school physics class.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.