9/11: Press for Truth

morkinva

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Instead of watching the propaganda about 9/11 on many channels, especially the one on ABC which is based on the 911 commission report, please consider watching this instead. Thanks

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Al Franken: God Spoke may or may not give Ann Coulter a headache, but 9/11: Press for Truth will give her a ****** migraine. Ray Nowosielski's film begins as a portrait of the Jersey Girls, a group of four 9/11 widows?Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Lorie Van Auken, and Mindy Kleinberg?instrumental in drumming up support from both sides of the political aisle for what would eventually become the 9/11 Commission. Despite Coulter's vulgar accusations that these bipartisan women enjoyed the deaths of their husbands, it's clear that that the only satisfaction these obviously pained women seek is an acknowledgement of blame from our government for insufficiently acting on its pre-9/11 intelligence. With the help of Paul Thompson, author of the comprehensive The Terror Timeline, and an arsenal of media footage at his disposal, Nowosielski catalogs frustration after frustration, effortlessly illuminating that 9/11 was more than just a "failure of imagination." But the title of the film refers not only to the Jersey Girls' vigilant demand for truth but to the media's own refusal to push for truth after 9/11 for fear of retribution from higher powers. This is where the film reveals its complexity, except Nowosielski makes the mistake of indulging trite scare-mongering tactics, from his use of scary-movie music on the soundtrack to frequent cutaways to a CGI wall of television sets ostensibly meant to evoke the media's Orwellian control of our (dis)information. These lapses make a smart documentary appear awfully unbecoming.

Ed Gonzalez © slant magazine, 2006.
 

morkinva

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Substituting one form of propaganda for another?

Perhaps - but at least this one won't get conveniently interrupted by a presidential speech.
 

KlokWyze

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I bought this directly from them, Haven't watched it yet though. You guys need to watch "Freedom to Fascism" or "Why We Fight". Both excellent and well-researched documentaries.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: KlokWyze
I bought this directly from them, Haven't watched it yet though. You guys need to watch "Freedom to Fascism" or "Why We Fight". Both excellent and well-researched documentaries.

With a title like that I can't imagine it being anything BUT a well researched documentary...
 

Trevelyan

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One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.
 

Krakn3Dfx

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
haha....try as you might, still can't debunk the truth...


Still can't actually GET the truth either.

The only thing that bothers me about 9/11 is the way the Bush/Cheney administration has gone out of their way to keep people from knowing what's happened. From personal experience with children and some adults, I know that usually attempting to hide the truth is a bad thing, and generally means that there's some fault on the part of the person trying to subvert the facts. Show me the truth, a full accounting of the events of 9/11 and reasons why certain documents and recordings related to that day were destroyed, and then lets talk about what movie/documentary is true and which is fiction.

We can say that based on the ACTUAL 9/11 Commission report, "Path to 9/11" is not "Ripped from the 9/11 Commission Report", but is in fact a right-wing friendly re-telling of actual events that has been twisted and changed to put Bill Clinton in a bad light and George W. Bush and his administration in a more favorable position during an election cycle where their approval ratings are at record lows.

The actual path to 9/11 is fragmented at best, completely distorted at worst, and the partisan hackjob that pulls us further into the abyss continues...
 

xenolith

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Again, "Path to 9/11" was not "ripped from the 9/11 Commission Report." The movie does include parts that are drawn from the report, yes, but also parts are from interviews from the actual people involved.
 

Krakn3Dfx

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Originally posted by: xenolith
Again, "Path to 9/11" was not "ripped from the 9/11 Commission Report." The movie does include parts that are drawn from the report, yes, but also parts are from interviews from the actual people involved.


And yet the commercials leading up to it clearly stated "ripped from the 9/11 Commission Report".

That's all I was pointing out, hence the quotes.
 

Zorba

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.


My big problem with Bush that day has nothing to do with him at the school. My problem was nobody heard from him until like 7pm that night. I know he was flying around and needed to be kept safe, but Air Force One has communications on it, he could've at least called in a press conference. To me it almost seemed like the country had no leadership for the first 10 hours after the attacks.

This is something I never really hear about in any of the documentaries.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
haha....try as you might, still can't debunk the truth...
Which is why this film, 9/11: Press for Truth, will stand the test of time.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.
It's not his initial reaction. It's the 7+ minutes he sat on his ass doing NOTHING. It's the subsequent photo op he staged while America was under attack.
 

umbrella39

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I watched it. I admit it took me 2 days but after finishing it I have to say it did a good job at pointing out a lot of the bs, stonewalling, and ass-covering done post 9/11.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.
It's not his initial reaction. It's the 7+ minutes he sat on his ass doing NOTHING. It's the subsequent photo op he staged while America was under attack.

What exactly should he have done?
Put on his red suit and cape and flown up to DC and saved it from the planes?:roll:

The "he did nothing" argument is about the weakest argument out there, there was not ONE thing he could have done to alter the events as they happened. We know for a FACT that the jets got on scene too late so it is not like he could have given a shot down order, although apparently one was given. Once the planes were in air there was not one thing President Bush could have done to stop the events of 9-11 from happening.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.
It's not his initial reaction. It's the 7+ minutes he sat on his ass doing NOTHING. It's the subsequent photo op he staged while America was under attack.
What exactly should he have done?
Put on his red suit and cape and flown up to DC and saved it from the planes?:roll:

The "he did nothing" argument is about the weakest argument out there, there was not ONE thing he could have done to alter the events as they happened. We know for a FACT that the jets got on scene too late so it is not like he could have given a shot down order, although apparently one was given. Once the planes were in air there was not one thing President Bush could have done to stop the events of 9-11 from happening.
Issue orders for fighter jets to scramble and shoot down hijacked planes, for starters. The delay in issuing the orders is what caused the delay in the fighters taking off. Pretty simple logic.

Got a problem with that?
 

straightalker

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TERROR STORM offers a much more thorough coverage of the 9-11 Operation. But 9/11: Press for Truth does serve up a decent feast of facts in it's own right. No single 9-11 documentary can cover it all.

On this video we get to see some of the families again of the victims of the 9-11 Operation. Most of whom today agree that the Government either allowed 9-11 to happen or carried it out. The fact of course is that it was a joint Operation that involved the Intel Agencies of at least three Nations. The other two being the UK and Israel.

The primary evidence of this is WTC building 7 which every familiy of the 3000 9-11 victims recognizes was demolished in a controlled demolition. 9/11: Press for Truth covered that. But perhaps what this film made most clear was that the 9-11 Truth Commission was a total whitewash. 20 Lawyers (professional liars) were assigned with telling the truth about 9-11. They wanted Henry "butcher of cambodia "Kissinger to lead the Commision but shuck's no luck there. The 9-11 widows exposed that scam quite excellently i thought.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
haha....try as you might, still can't debunk the truth...

aren`t you the same guy who bought all those tinfoil hats from me?
You ruined my 2 for 1 sale.......but thats okay.....your cash was good!!
 

imported_Aelius

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While you can argue against the conclusions and opinions of the videos, you cannot argue against the facts.

Here is my opinion based on what I have seen so far.

They will do what they did with all prior conspiracies. Correction. They have done what these governments often do as a bi-partisan government, which is to seal and destroy evidence thereby eliminating any chance of ever knowing all of the facts. Was done with both JFK and RFK assassinations. The very acts should have been considered treason against the American people.

Even if tomorrow morning everything that is currently sealed on 9/11 (video, audio, intel etc.) was released we would not know everything. WTC wreckage was moved and tempered with, including shipped off for processing, beyond the need for life saving measures. This was before any comprehensive investigation took place. The WTC wreckage was sold as scrap metal to China of all places as well as other Asian nations soon after 9/11. That single act alone makes a full investigation impossible. All you end up with is theories, opinions and conclusions based on less then all the facts. All of which is provided as fact in official findings, which are now shoved in our faces as proof.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.
It's not his initial reaction. It's the 7+ minutes he sat on his ass doing NOTHING. It's the subsequent photo op he staged while America was under attack.
What exactly should he have done?
Put on his red suit and cape and flown up to DC and saved it from the planes?:roll:

The "he did nothing" argument is about the weakest argument out there, there was not ONE thing he could have done to alter the events as they happened. We know for a FACT that the jets got on scene too late so it is not like he could have given a shot down order, although apparently one was given. Once the planes were in air there was not one thing President Bush could have done to stop the events of 9-11 from happening.
Issue orders for fighter jets to scramble and shoot down hijacked planes, for starters. The delay in issuing the orders is what caused the delay in the fighters taking off. Pretty simple logic.

Got a problem with that?

Let's address your "Issue orders for fighter jets to scramble and shoot down hijacked planes, for starters" comment.
Ok conjur, lets look at the timeline:
The amount of time between when the military is told about a plane and when that plane crashed:
American 11 WTC, 9 minutes
United 175 WTC, learned about it after it had crashed
American 77 Pentagon, 3 mintues
United 93, never told

So... no mater what Bush would have or could have done, there was no action he could have taken that would have changed the course of events.

Here is the timeline laid out for you based on the 9-11 report and Complete 911 Timeline manged by Paul Thompson, one of the sources of the Press for Truth movie/DVD.
Military Notification and Response. Boston Center did not follow the protocol in seeking military assistance through the prescribed chain of command. In addition to notifications within the FAA, Boston Center took the initiative, at 8:34, to contact the military through the FAA's Cape Cod facility. The center also tried to contact a former alert site in Atlantic City, unaware it had been phased out. At 8:37:52, Boston Center reached NEADS. This was the first notification received by the military-at any level-that American 11 had been hijacked

F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the officer directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination." Because the hijackers had turned off the plane's transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their radar scopes for the primary radar return. American 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still trying to locate the flight, word reached them that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

So... the first trade center was hit at about the same time the F-15 went into the air.
Now we know from Bush's timeline that the President does not even learn of the WTC crash untill 8:55 AM.

So... the planes had already been scrambled BEFORE Bush even knew of the towers being hit, before anyone outside the FAA and NEADS knew about the hijacking. Remember, nobody expected the planes to aim at the towers, they thought they were going to Cuba or something like that.

Now the second plane hits the 2nd tower at 9:03 AM. It is only then that we know for sure that we are being attacked.
Military Notification and Response. The first indication that the NORAD air defenders had of the second hijacked aircraft, United 175, came in a phone call from New York Center to NEADS at 9:03.The notice came at about the time the plane was hitting the South Tower.134 "

By 9:08, the mission crew commander at NEADS learned of the second explosion at the World Trade Center and decided against holding the fighters in military airspace away from Manhattan:

Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: This is what I foresee that we probably need to do. We need to talk to FAA. We need to tell 'em if this stuff is gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters, put 'em over Manhattan. That's best thing, that's the best play right now. So coordinate with the FAA. Tell 'em if there's more out there, which we don't know, let's get 'em over Manhattan. At least we got some kind of play.135
The FAA cleared the airspace. Radar data show that at 9:13, when the Otis fighters were about 115 miles away from the city, the fighters exited their holding pattern and set a course direct for Manhattan. They arrived at 9:25 and established a combat air patrol (CAP) over the city.

So to recap for you... the fighter jets that were scrambled BEFORE Bush or anyone else in the entire country knew of the hijacking, besides a few FAA and Norad people, did not arrive over New York until 9:25am, to late to do anything.
There is NOT ONE thing Bush could have done to stop the attacks from happening in New York. The second plane hit the tower before the military even knew of it.

Now on to the Pentagon:
At 9:21, NEADS received a report from the FAA:

FAA: Military, Boston Center. I just had a report that American 11 is still in the air, and it's on its way towards-heading towards Washington.

Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: Okay, uh, American Airlines is still airborne. Eleven, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington. Okay? I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis, try to chase this guy down if I can find him.149
After consulting with NEADS command, the crew commander issued the order at 9:23:"Okay . . . scramble Langley. Head them towards the Washington area.. . . if they're there then we'll run on them.. . .These guys are smart." That order was processed and transmitted to Langley Air Force Base at 9:24. Radar data show the Langley fighters airborne at 9:30. NEADS decided to keep the Otis fighters over New York. The heading of the Langley fighters was adjusted to send them to the Baltimore area. The mission crew commander explained to us that the purpose was to position the Langley fighters between the reported southbound American 11 and the nation's capital.
The problem is that American 11 had already crashed into the WTC and the Langely planes were heading on a wild goose chase.
Again, we know from the timeline that the Pentagon was hit at 9:37am, 7 minutes after the planes left Langley, in southern Va.
" The time was 9:38.The Pentagon had been struck by American 77 at 9:37:46.The Langley fighters were about 150 miles away."
So if Bush had gotten up and walked out of the classroom at 9:06am when he hears of the second crash and called the military and said "scramble jets and shot down hijacked planes the military would have said "what hijacked planes, we know of no hijacked planes."
At the suggestion of the Boston Center's military liaison, NEADS contacted the FAA's Washington Center to ask about American 11. In the course of the conversation, a Washington Center manager informed NEADS: "We're looking-we also lost American 77."The time was 9:34.151 This was the first notice to the military that American 77 was missing, and it had come by chance.
So NEADS only learned about the plane that hits the Pentagon 3 minutes before it hit the Pentagon.

Finally, flight 93 the last plane in the air:
Despite the discussions about military assistance, no one from FAA headquarters requested military assistance regarding United 93. Nor did any manager at FAA headquarters pass any of the information it had about United 93 to the military.
So the military never learned about United 93.

Check out the timelines yourself:
This first site has a link to 9/11 Press for the Truth on it and sells the DVD, I'd call it a good source based on the thread title.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time...complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=bush
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
 

Tom

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I don't see anything wrong with the way Bush reacted when he was told about the attacks. He was in a class room filled with young children for one thing, and for another he's a human being.

To me this is a silly thing to criticize him for, when there are so many serious flaws in some of his other actions since 9/11.


 
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