9/11: Press for Truth

[dahunan]

What about all those cell-phone calls from the planes while they were being hijacked.. nobody acted on those?

What about all those alerts saying Osama was going to use planes as missiles.. why were those ignored and why did Condoleeza lie to us saying nobody ever thought they would use a plane as a missile?

 

[randym431]

Wow, kicking up a little conversation here at work over this.

Maybe the WTC is still there, just painted with invisible paint. (just kidding)

9/11, having had ever occurred in the first place, was truly a very strange happening. That it could have been directed from some billionaire living in a cave in the sand.

What will forever get me is that we all live in this "give me give me give me NOW NOW NOW" society, and the terrorist planed this long term very very slowly. Taking each step one by one, taking all the time in the world, and keeping so very focused all that time. That is truly a very eye opening clue to their operation and their will to succeed. God only knows what is in the makes as we speak (or type) from them. Its hard to think of any group working so methodically for evil against us.

 

[Tab]

I want those 2 minutes and 12 seconds of my life back.

 

[BW86]

Watching it now.

 

[beyoku]

Even then, It was already noted days before that bush would be in that class full of students reading. How could they just sit there knowing that planes were flying around being used as missles and know bush was safe in that building when it was pre-announced days before? Anyone that cant see that flat out lying from those like Condaleeza and Bush are blind. What was the name of the memo "Bin laden determined to attack the united states?"
Americans just CANT believe what they know to be true. I have talked to many people and in the back of their mind they KNOW something is wrong but "It just cant be" is what they say.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Even then, It was already noted days before that bush would be in that class full of students reading. How could they just sit there knowing that planes were flying around being used as missles and know bush was safe in that building when it was pre-announced days before? Anyone that cant see that flat out lying from those like Condaleeza and Bush are blind. What was the name of the memo "Bin laden determined to attack the united states?"
Americans just CANT believe what they know to be true. I have talked to many people and in the back of their mind they KNOW something is wrong but "It just cant be" is what they say.

Yeah I made this experience also lateley. I hear that from more and more people.

What I then usually say is: Investigate! If this administration has nothing to hide, then they should not have a problem with that. And by investigate I don't mean they do it theirself and not under oath.

This a from the WDR (Westdeutscher Rundfunk), a german TV Station. It is pretty good undertitled though:

Aktenzeichen 11.9 (File Reference 9/11)


Many things from 9/11 Press for truth are mentioned there also. :Q

 

[straightalker]

Another cool aspect of this Documentary was the excellent exposure of the true nature of certain aspects of the war in Afghanistan. Rummy was bailing out certain large groups of Taliban and Al-Qeada militants whenever out innocent USA Soldiers got close enough to eradicate them. Did you see that?

Strategic doors were left open on the tactical battlemap for them to slip through into Pakistan and escape. And at other times C-130's conducted a large scale airlift of Taliban/Al-Qeada fighters into Pakistan.

It helps to note that in Pakistan, Mushareff, their Dictator over their, keeps a large safe haven for the Taliban and Al-Qeada open for them in their ancestral tribal lands within western Pakistan along the Afghan border. I would imagine that's because of the heroine trade going East. All these puppet leaders the USA installs are dope peddlers. It's a very big part of the job.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Even then, It was already noted days before that bush would be in that class full of students reading. How could they just sit there knowing that planes were flying around being used as missles and know bush was safe in that building when it was pre-announced days before? Anyone that cant see that flat out lying from those like Condaleeza and Bush are blind. What was the name of the memo "Bin laden determined to attack the united states?"
Americans just CANT believe what they know to be true. I have talked to many people and in the back of their mind they KNOW something is wrong but "It just cant be" is what they say.

Do yourself a favor and go read the "Bin Laden to strike US memo."

Its first line states "Clandestine, foreign government and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US."

In the entire memo there is not one date that relates to Osama and terrorism that is newer than 1998, 3 years prior to the creation of the memo. The second page of the memo states that there was a call to an Embassy in May (2001) that stated Osama was planning attacks with explosives.

Read the actually document, it is very interesting, but does not include anything near a smoking gun.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.html

 

[conjur]

Might want to try Page 2 there, skippy.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb2.html

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: conjur
Might want to try Page 2 there, skippy.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb2.html

Hey Conjur, nice to see you are alive. I read both pages, do not see a smoking gun that says "Terrorist plan to hijack planes and fly them into buildings."
What we do see is some pretty generalized warnings. "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks" and then "Bin Laden supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives"
Interestingly enough, one of the planes that ended up being hijacked, United 93 I believe, was given a warning of cockpit intrusions as were most airlines. Despite this fact they were still hijacked. Let me repeat that for you, as little as 15-30 minutes before being hijacked they were warned about possible hijack attempts!!!! If a specific warning 15 minutes before being hijacked doesn't work how do you suppose a general warning to the airlines in August would have worked?

BTW: still waiting for a reply to my early answer about what Bush should have done on 9-11. Please enlighten me as to what the President could have done on that day that would have made the events of 9-11 any different.

 

[conjur]

1) What ever gave you the impression I was not alive?
2) I've given my answer on what Bush should do. Damn, the reading comprehension skills from Limbaughts is atrocious these days!
3) Re-read that 2nd page and tell us *all* what it says. mmmkay?

kthxbye



Oh, what the heck, here, read this, too:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: conjur
1) What ever gave you the impression I was not alive?
2) I've given my answer on what Bush should do. Damn, the reading comprehension skills from Limbaughts is atrocious these days!
3) Re-read that 2nd page and tell us *all* what it says. mmmkay?

kthxbye



Oh, what the heck, here, read this, too:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Please restate your answer on what Bush should have done on 9-11 and how any action he could have taken would have made things different.

Already been to that web site, it was a source of my information on what Bush was doing on the morning of 9-11. Look I even posted a link to, how nice of me.

I already read both pages as well. The line about patterns of suspicious activity sure looks bad, until you read:
"Except for the information relating to the possible surveillance of federal buildings in New York, which was later determined by the FBI to be consistent with tourist-related activity, the PDB item contained no information from FBI investigations that indicated activities related to the preparation or planning for hijackings or other attacks within the United States. None of the information relating to the "patterns of suspicious activity" was later deemed to be related to the 9-11 attacks. From June through September, the FAA and FBI issued a number of warnings about the possibility of terrorist attacks..FAA warnings included specific warnings about the possibility of a hijacking to free imprisoned al-Qaida members inside the United States and the possibility of attacks in response to law enforcement actions against al-Qaida members. "

Now read this, looks a lot like the exact same breif Bush received 3 years later huh?

The following is the text of an item from the President's Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. It was declassified for the Report of the 9/11 Commission. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.

SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

1. Reporting [?] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ?Umar ?Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ?Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama?at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options?perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.

IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the ?next couple of weeks? to free ?Abd al-Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.

The same source late last month said that Bin Ladin might implement plans to hijack US aircraft before the beginning of Ramadan on 20 December and that two members of the operational team had evaded security checks during a recent trial run at an unidentified New York airport.[?]

2. Some members of the Bin Ladin network have received hijack training, according to various sources, but no group directly tied to Bin Ladin?s al-Qa?ida organization has ever carried out an aircraft hijacking. Bin Ladin could be weighing other types of operations against US aircraft. According to [?] the IG in October obtained SA-7 missiles and intended to move them from Yemen into Saudi Arabia to shoot down an Egyptian plane or, if unsuccessful, a US military or civilian aircraft.

A [?] in October told us that unspecified ?extremist elements? in Yemen had acquired SA-7s.[?]

3. [?] indicate the Bin Ladin organization or its allies are moving closer to implementing anti-US attacks at unspecified locations, but we do not know whether they are related to attacks on aircraft. A Bin Ladin associate in Sudan late last month told a colleague in Kandahar that he had shipped a group of containers to Afghanistan. Bin Ladin associates also talked about the movement of containers to Afghanistan before the East Africa bombings.

In other [?] Bin Ladin associates last month discussed picking up a package in Malaysia. One told his colleague in Malaysia that ?they? were in the ?ninth month [of pregnancy].?

An alleged Bin Ladin supporter in Yemen late last month remarked to his mother that he planned to work in ?commerce? from abroad and said his impending ?marriage,? which would take place soon, would be a ?surprise.? ?Commerce?and ?marriage? often are codewords for terrorist attacks. [?]

 

[wetech]

Originally posted by: straightalker
On this video we get to see some of the families again of the victims of the 9-11 Operation. Most of whom today agree that the Government either allowed 9-11 to happen or carried it out. The fact of course is that it was a joint Operation that involved the Intel Agencies of at least three Nations. The other two being the UK and Israel.

The primary evidence of this is WTC building 7 which every familiy of the 3000 9-11 victims recognizes was demolished in a controlled demolition.

Where do you come up with this BS? Seriously, EVERY family believes that there is a grand conspiracy?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zorba

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.

My big problem with Bush that day has nothing to do with him at the school. My problem was nobody heard from him until like 7pm that night. I know he was flying around and needed to be kept safe, but Air Force One has communications on it, he could've at least called in a press conference. To me it almost seemed like the country had no leadership for the first 10 hours after the attacks.

This is something I never really hear about in any of the documentaries.

I read your post and flashed on a day a while back as Al Haig said "I'm in control"... hehehehe Sec State by passing the VP, Speaker and President Pro Tem...
I think we know who is always in control.. and it ain't Bush.. he is incapable of it.. Control is vested in someone or group not even visable.. OR .. I'm wrong and should be very very worried....

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
One thing I noticed in a lot of the documentaries is using the clip where Bush is informed of 9/11 when he's inside the elementary school. They certainly read a lot into his reaction. I think it just hurts their argument when they stretch things like that and try to make some kind of factual claim out of it, like he wasn't surprised enough so he knew about it beforehand. Give me a break, that's not evidence, that's conjecture.

It's not his initial reaction. It's the 7+ minutes he sat on his ass doing NOTHING. It's the subsequent photo op he staged while America was under attack.

What exactly should he have done?
Put on his red suit and cape and flown up to DC and saved it from the planes?:roll:

The "he did nothing" argument is about the weakest argument out there, there was not ONE thing he could have done to alter the events as they happened. We know for a FACT that the jets got on scene too late so it is not like he could have given a shot down order, although apparently one was given. Once the planes were in air there was not one thing President Bush could have done to stop the events of 9-11 from happening.

No... sorta act Presidential is what I'd hope he'd have done... you know ... make believe he is in control... making the right decisions and all..
Seems like some folks justify inaction with inability.. well sure but his job don't involve the doing but does involve setting the tone...

 

[LunarRay]

I think it is as important for a leader to have the Clinton/Reagan/Kennedy type charisma than any other one factor.... To enable them to let us believe all is well even when it is not.
The President ought to be as Peter Drucker's "Effective Executive" might dictate. He ought to have had heads on his desk for the screw ups that abound regarding this and every other issue confronting us.. But, it seems he is deeply entrenched in the Agenda like a Nixon/Johnson and as effective as a Carter/Ford/Bush,the elder.

This President don't let me have the warm and fuzzies that all is well... and that is his major down fall.... he scares me... His articulation is such that even the best of news is lost in his communicative skills... He just preaches to the fears of people in a way that is vote getting, I suppose, but not to the bigger need and that is to allay those fears through either a factual solving of them or a charismatically delivered dialog on them..

 

[BoberFett]

There's a term for people who have an air of authority, and make others believe all is well. It's called a shepherd.

I for one, do not need a president to comfort me. Little children need parents to comfort them, adults move out of mommy and daddy's house. I can think and act on my own, without being told how to feel. Some of you are way too dependent on having a "leader." Grow up and stop acting like sheep.

 

[ericlp]

Sheeple.... Get a grip... Where are the terrorist?

9/11 saved Bush when he was down. Now he is down even further after 911... and we are not ANY safer. It's all a big illusion.... To make a rich fat white guy feel safe. Nothing more.... Nothing less... Bush is an idiot, what did you expect him to do? He is just a puppet on a sting. Just like Katrina, it took him a few days to figure out what to do if anything. Frankly, I think bush is better off spending his presidency on vacation. Every time the guy makes a decision on anything these days you might as well, flip a coin because there is no rhyme or reason for it... Just hope for the best and that he made a good one tho when he thinks god made him president and he speaks to god, I'm not surprised that most are the wrong choices and very bad for this nation.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
There's a term for people who have an air of authority, and make others believe all is well. It's called a shepherd.

I for one, do not need a president to comfort me. Little children need parents to comfort them, adults move out of mommy and daddy's house. I can think and act on my own, without being told how to feel. Some of you are way too dependent on having a "leader." Grow up and stop acting like sheep.

But we are Sheep...
We don't know what we don't know and often times that is quite a bit. So for many it is comforting to know that all that can be done is being done or that the "State of the Union" address really does indicate condition and intended action.

We elect shepards to go to the house of shepards and take care of our needs and desires. When the MOAS looks like a bewildered graffiti artist I worry about the wolf... I worry that the MOAS will send more sheep to battle the wolves who'd never cross the great divide unless they smell the blood on the paws of the sheep there...

Tell me, Bober, who voted for the MOAS and why did they do so if it were not for the fact that the climate was wroth with fear and discord blamed on the party opposite.. in '04.

 

[conjur]

Got my DVD in today.

:thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: conjur
Got my DVD in today.

:thumbsup:

Whats sad is I need to have another buy 1 get 1 free tinfoil hat special.....

Too funny you peeps still looking for a smoking gun........

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: conjur
Got my DVD in today.

:thumbsup:

Watch your DVD and then come back and answer my question as to what Bush could have done on 9-11 that would have made any difference at all in the out come of that days events.

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: conjur
Got my DVD in today.

:thumbsup:

Watch your DVD and then come back and answer my question as to what Bush could have done on 9-11 that would have made any difference at all in the out come of that days events.

What makes you think Bush would've done anything at all?

Bush's Presidential Order W199i


Protecting the 9-11 Patsies: Order W199I-WF-213589

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=W199I-WF-213589&fr=yfp-t-500&toggle=1&c...

The following is a collection of links related to W199I; a presidential directive forcing the FBI to "back off" the
bin Laden family in pre-911 terrorism investigations.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12165

US agents told to "back off" Bin Ladens (ANANOVA)

Bush Thwarted FBI probe against Bin Ladens (AFP)

FBI told to "back off" investigating Bin Laden family before the attacks on Sept. 11th: BBC Newsnight Video

Has someone been sitting on the FBI? BBC Newsnight transcript

Bush took FBI Agents off bin Laden family trail (TIMES OF INDIA)

FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated (LONDON GUARDIAN)

FBI 'was told to back off bin Laden family' (SYDNEY MORNING HERALD)

Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle on 9-11

FBI agent: I was stymied in terror probe

Whistleblower Complains of FBI Obstruction

Judicial Watch press conference featuring special FBI agent Robert Wright - impeded from terrorist investigations

Scandal Inside the FBI: Did G-Men Miss the Boat on 9-11?

SECTION OF W199I DOCUMENT FROM GREG PALAST'S BOOK 'THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY'

 

[ProfJohn]

Sadguy, thanks for the input, but you need to read the whole thread to under stand my question.

Conjur objected to Bush sitting there with the kids after learning of the attack and when I asked what Bush should have done conjur answered: "Issue orders for fighter jets to scramble and shoot down hijacked planes, for starters. The delay in issuing the orders is what caused the delay in the fighters taking off. Pretty simple logic. "

At which point I posted a very long and detailed post of everything that happened that morning and at what time it happened that essentially proved that no mater what Bush had said or done after the first attack he could not have changed the outcome of 9-11. If Bush had given orders to scramble fighters and shot down any hijacked airplanes at 8:46am, the time the first plane hit the North Tower, it would have not made one bit of difference, due to a variety of reasons, mostly the military was not told about the various hijackings until it was to late to do anything about them, even if they had planes in the air.

Despite the fact that I posted the timeline on 9-12 at 3:53am conjur has yet to my simple question: Please enlighten me as to what the President could have done on that day that would have made the events of 9-11 any different.

He did manage to post the following though ?I've given my answer on what Bush should do. Damn, the reading comprehension skills from Limbaughts is atrocious these days!?

Everything you posted has nothing to do with the topic at hand and the inability of conjur to answer or re-answer that simple question.

 

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