90nm Winchester VS 130nm Newcastle

[gunshy]

I am a 1st time builder and I just bought my components yesterday, they are on the way.
I got the Newcastle 3500 because it was bundled with the mother board I wanted
and it saved me a few $$, plus I wanted to be sure the cpu & mobo were compatible.
I am now reading that the Winchester is considered better because it is 90nm.
If I am not planning to over clock very much, how big of a deal is the difference?
I also read that because the newcastle is newer it may not be as stable.
What do you think?

 

[veggz]

Did you try searching for this topic first?

Newcastles are clocked higher at stock, though the performance difference between the two is negligible. Winnies are better for OC'ing (they run cooler) and upgradability. I got a Newcastle because I didn't want to shell out for a NF4 board and I wasn't planning on upgrading for at least 4 years.

 

[alteredNate]

There got to be at least 100 other threads on this forum alone for this, much less on the web in general. Search around, you'll have days of information to read.

 

[NesuD]

I am now reading that the Winchester is considered better because it is 90nm.

True! runs cooler and has lower power usage.

If I am not planning to over clock very much, how big of a deal is the difference?

Probably not that big of a deal I wouldn't worry about in that case unless it is operating in an unusually poor thermal environment which in typical systems is probably not going to be the case.

I also read that because the newcastle is newer it may not be as stable.

actually winchester is the newer one so I am going to answer this assuming you meant to say winchester. Hogwash!! whoever said that is clueless. winchester has been available for several months now and is a proven stable processor. Intel Prescott P4s may fit that description somewhat because of their extroardinarily high power usage and heat generation but the winchester Athlon 64s do not have issues like that. In every sense they are equal to or an improvement on the previous newcastle athlon 64.

 

[CalvinHobbs]

i've got same cpu like u, 3500+ 130nm...well it's fine with my MSI K8N Neo2 plat..can't say much sbout the winchester as i don't have one...but seems the winchester runs cooler...mine is at 44 deg now with stock cooling

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: veggz
Did you try searching for this topic first?

1.Newcastles are clocked higher at stock, though the performance difference between the two is negligible. 2.Winnies are better for OC'ing (they run cooler) and upgradability. 3.I got a Newcastle because I didn't want to shell out for a NF4 board and I wasn't planning on upgrading for at least 4 years.

I think you might want to read some of those threads also.
1. Not all Newcastles are S754. Therefore a S939 Newcastle clock speed = a S939 Winchester.
2. First part is correct....they are better for OC'ing because they run cooler, but upgradability has nothing to do with it.
3. You could have gotten an NF3 or VIA board which are cheaper than the NF4 boards and are AGP whereas the NF4 are PCI-e.

 

[Insomniak]

.09 processors are roughly 2 - 7% faster than their .13 counterparts and run cooler. If you're not planning to overclock, the only differences you'll notice will be in power consumption and heat production.

 

[veggz]

Originally posted by: Ike0069

Originally posted by: veggz
Did you try searching for this topic first?

1.Newcastles are clocked higher at stock, though the performance difference between the two is negligible. 2.Winnies are better for OC'ing (they run cooler) and upgradability. 3.I got a Newcastle because I didn't want to shell out for a NF4 board and I wasn't planning on upgrading for at least 4 years.

I think you might want to read some of those threads also.
1. Not all Newcastles are S754. Therefore a S939 Newcastle clock speed = a S939 Winchester.
2. First part is correct....they are better for OC'ing because they run cooler, but upgradability has nothing to do with it.
3. You could have gotten an NF3 or VIA board which are cheaper than the NF4 boards and are AGP whereas the NF4 are PCI-e.

Good to know.. my bad

 

[leedog2007]

Get the cheaper one if you don't care about performance. But if you don't care about performance get a sempron. So, get the winchester

 

[ChicagoPCGuy]

When you move to S939, the only differences between Newcastle and Winchester is power consumption and therefore operating temperature. The clock speed of a S939 Winchester and Newcastle core are IDENTICAL and therefore the performance levels are IDENTICAL. They are both dual channel memory capable. Where you find clock speed differences is based upon the "+" ratings between S754 and S939 processors. The single channel Newcastle S754's are clocked 200Mhz higher than the equivalent "+" rated dual channel S939 Winchesters. Speed-wise the same "+" rated processors between the two different sockets are about on par (3% to 5% at most). Based upon the lower heat dissipation, the S939 Winchester is the one to go with since right now. On NewEgg the two cores are within a few dollars of each other. Winchesters are totally stable processors. Some manufacturers were a little slow on the ball to release BIOS updates for their boards, and this caused some issues--but that is now history.

 

[bovinda]

:beer: to veggz. Because it's so incredibly rare for anyone to so gracefully acknowledge a correction. Yup, it moved me that much. I had to say something.