9800 GTX Reviews Thread

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You want to knock off the digs Tuteja? You're never going to change are you?

Back OT. Anyone has any questions about the 9800GTX's, let me know. I can check out/verify or disprove benches out there.

My disappointment is in Nvidia is not willing to release something worth due to its competition. I don't want to see the GPU cycle to turn in to small incremental cycle like we do with CPU industry. All you need to see how Intel revolutionary idea of going Northwood to prescott was so flawed that they didn't even understood it until , they actually started to loose some market share.

8800GTX came out 8th of November 2006 and now we are in 2008. What do we get with 9800GTX 5% performance increase. Nvidia will do what every company does , is to make profit.


This is nothing but a fine tunned G80 in 65nm with some extra toppic.

 

[Spamdini]

so, in the anandtech review, they say that for the gtx turning the vsync off in the driver control panel resulted in lowered fps. so i have an HD 3870 and in the control panel im guessing vsync is called "wait for vertical refresh", should i leave it to on and then trn it off in game? will this improve performance?

 

[surfsatwerk]

For less than $100 I'm using EVGA's step-up program to upgrade my 8800GT. I may purchase a 2nd one for SLI but I'm going to wait and study the reviews first.

 

[dasracht]

Originally posted by: lopri
How long is this card? I only read the FiringSquad review and they didn't mention the length of the card. Can't tell by the pic because they didn't take a picture of 8800/9800 GTX side by side.

One of the reviews showed it next to a ruler, it looked to be about 10.5 inches long.

Let me try to find which review it was.

Edit: http://i99.photobucket.com/alb...800GTX/MSI9800GTX9.jpg
Here it is, just a forum poster on a different forum with it pictured next to a ruler. Looks to be 10.5 inches long

 

[Hauk]

$70 to move from two G92 GTS's to two of these. Resistance if futile.

Number 33 and 36 in EVGA Step-Up. Should be able to ship by tomorrow..

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: SteelSix
$70 to move from two G92 GTS's to two of these. Resistance if futile.

Number 33 and 36 in EVGA Step-Up. Should be able to ship by tomorrow..

No chance I would buy these without the benefit of EVGA's step up.

 

[lopri]

Thank you for the link, dasracht. Yah it's gotta be 10.5". Glad that it's within the ATX standard.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dasracht
I disagree. It's the fastest single gpu card now, ahead of the gts which its based on by a significant margin in all reviews, and at an attractive price.

There's disadvantages, but all things considered, I think it's a decent card

yes, but are they using the same drivers? Doesn't the 8 series have unified drivers now? The only difference between this and 8800gts 512 is 25 mhz core and a few hundred mhz mem...awesome...

 

[MBrown]

I am not spending a dime on my PC until I can buy a single graphics card that can play crysis at a decent clip that doesn't cost more than $400.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: bsix
Wow Just checked prices for 8800 GTS - was waiting for prices to go down. They went up from 6:00am est this morning. The MSI 8800GTS (G92) was $209 AR this morning and it is now $239. The eVGA 8800GTS was $229 and is now $279. Should have bought yesterday knowing that the 9800GTX was a marketing release only.

PS Holy Crap - even the 8800GT jumped heavily. The MSI was $179 AR and is now $209 and a Palit which was $189 is now $239. Wow.

now THAT is funny! it's like when 2900xt released and pushed 8800 series prices higher!

 

[dasracht]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yes, but are they using the same drivers? Doesn't the 8 series have unified drivers now? The only difference between this and 8800gts 512 is 25 mhz core and a few hundred mhz mem...awesome...

I'm sure there are driver optimizations that are lacking for the 8800gts, but you should also factor in that the 9xxx series has advanced compression that gives it an edge as well.

In addition, there are bound to be further optimizations on the 9800gtx as well, especially considering the poor performance gains from 2x sli to 3x (sometimes it even goes down in performance).

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You want to knock off the digs Tuteja? You're never going to change are you?

Back OT. Anyone has any questions about the 9800GTX's, let me know. I can check out/verify or disprove benches out there.

keys, you have to admit that this card is a MAJOR disappointment. Even with a VERY AGGRESSIVE driver advantage this card can't keep up with 8800 ultra (or even a gtx at very high settings with AA/AF). The good news for nvidia is that amd is still a few months away from r700. The bad news for us is that if you own an 8800gtx you STILL have no reason to upgrade. :thumbsdown:

 

[BenSkywalker]

So the new card is the fastest single GPU solution on the market, sometimes beating the 3870x2, and it is hitting the street at ~$300, guess I'm not sure what the big problem is here.

We haven't seen a lot of forward progress on the performance end of the spectrum for a while now from either nVidia or ATi for single GPU solutions, but we have seen the prices fall rather considerably for a given level of performance. Think back to launches of products like the Voodoo2, GeForceDDR or Radeon9700Pro- those products so utterly dominated the market that we saw comparable gaps in the time it took for anything to come along and really beat them out(may be a slight difference here or there, but comparable to what we see today). To me, it just speaks more to how well the G80 was handled in the first place. This board is better then any single GPU before it clearly save the Ultra in certain situations, and it cost about half of what the Ultra did.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dasracht

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yes, but are they using the same drivers? Doesn't the 8 series have unified drivers now? The only difference between this and 8800gts 512 is 25 mhz core and a few hundred mhz mem...awesome...

I'm sure there are driver optimizations that are lacking for the 8800gts, but you should also factor in that the 9xxx series has advanced compression that gives it an edge as well.

In addition, there are bound to be further optimizations on the 9800gtx as well, especially considering the poor performance gains from 2x sli to 3x (sometimes it even goes down in performance).

No, the 9xxx has the 174.xx drivers that give a VERY NOTICEABLE performance increase. If you could run these cards with the same drivers you'd see AT MOST a 5% difference between 8800gts and 9800gtx. Nvidia's marketing dept is incredibly good at their job, this reminds me of ford's marketing dept 10 years ago. They can shine up a turd and make it look like solid gold.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: bsix
Wow Just checked prices for 8800 GTS - was waiting for prices to go down. They went up from 6:00am est this morning. The MSI 8800GTS (G92) was $209 AR this morning and it is now $239. The eVGA 8800GTS was $229 and is now $279. Should have bought yesterday knowing that the 9800GTX was a marketing release only.

PS Holy Crap - even the 8800GT jumped heavily. The MSI was $179 AR and is now $209 and a Palit which was $189 is now $239. Wow.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...7125&prodlist=celebros

8800gt still $170 @ Zipzoomfly... and with the GTS @ 230$+ now, pretty easy choice. Hey, people dont have to worry over which to buy anymore... thats a good thing... right?

edit: AND the 9600gt is up to $140 now... 8800gt is absolute nobrainer. (although pny is @ $125 still, but OOS)

 

[Lithan]

Bryan, be careful with those solid gold turds. Especially if they're encrusted with jewels. They cause only evil.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
So the new card is the fastest single GPU solution on the market, sometimes beating the 3870x2, and it is hitting the street at ~$300, guess I'm not sure what the big problem is here.

Exactly....funniest thing is people were spending this amount in droves with the GT/GTS only a few months in such masses as to create "paper launches". But if you look at the parts in these reviews, you'll see how much the landscape of the graphics market has changed in the past 6 months. In the AT review for instance, only the Ultra would've been found in a review around this time last year, and it cost $900 when it came out? Now you can get near that performance with a variety of single cards for fractions, or even exceed its performance in multi-card configurations.

But yeah I'm disappointed in the lack of OC'ing comparisons. The 9800GTX should have excellent OC'ing headroom while the 8800Ultra is essentially an overclocked GTX. AT did use 174.74 for all NV cards and those drivers do support all 8 and 9 series without modifying the .inf.

My biggest disappointment so far is seeing sound/heat/power levels of this G92 part are very close to the older high-end G80 parts, which was one of the reasons I would've considered an upgrade. I'd also like to see a possible 1GB version to see if it helps close the gap with the Ultra at higher resolutions.

 

[Anath]

well i am a little bumed about the performance however i just ordered mine an hour ago...

 

[bryanW1995]

What the heck is NV going to do with gt200 if sound/heat are already a major issue on 9800gtx??? Are they going to resurrect the dustbuster??? (cue scary music)

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You want to knock off the digs Tuteja? You're never going to change are you?

Back OT. Anyone has any questions about the 9800GTX's, let me know. I can check out/verify or disprove benches out there.

keys, you have to admit that this card is a MAJOR disappointment. Even with a VERY AGGRESSIVE driver advantage this card can't keep up with 8800 ultra (or even a gtx at very high settings with AA/AF). The good news for nvidia is that amd is still a few months away from r700. The bad news for us is that if you own an 8800gtx you STILL have no reason to upgrade. :thumbsdown:

Major dissapointment? Not for the those who run 24" and below. I admit I'm a fanboy, but also admit I'm not happy with the roadmap. But come on, look at the bang for the buck with this card. For those with an 8800 GTX, just be happy you're getting this kinda mileage out of it.

It's not the best of all worlds like G80 was; but at $340 bucks it's a pretty decent offering. Last thing spoken on the topic from this fanboy. I have to get busy shipping my GTS's to EVGA...

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

My disappointment is in Nvidia is not willing to release something worth due to its competition...

umm.. what competition? AMD/ATI has not released anythiing truely competitive in high end since early 2006 (1900xt). If i was you I'd be more disappointed at ATI/AMD's inability to compete.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

My disappointment is in Nvidia is not willing to release something worth due to its competition...

umm.. what competition? AMD/ATI has not released anythiing truely competitive in high end since early 2006 (1900xt). If i was you I'd be more disappointed at ATI/AMD's inability to compete.

ATi isn't losing THAT bad. They just need more cards in certain ranges. The 3870X2 is still a good buy IMO ($399 at NewEgg). It performs well for what your paying. I'm hoping their new cards bring the competition back.

 

[ManWithNoName]

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[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: batmang

ATi isn't losing THAT bad. They just need more cards in certain ranges. The 3870X2 is still a good buy IMO. It performs well for what your paying. I'm hoping their new cards bring the competition back.

Agreed.. bang for buck is competitive, but i miss the days when they also compete in performance...you know, 4200 vs 9800, 6800 vs x800, 7800 vs 1900...

yes, please support AMD, we need competition!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

8800GTX came out 8th of November 2006 and now we are in 2008. What do we get with 9800GTX 5% performance increase. Nvidia will do what every company does , is to make profit.

So NVIDIA should be some sort of nonprofit charity company? That gives out high end video cards to orphaned computer geeks?

I do agree that AMDs complete inability to put out a competitive GPU has probably led to NVIDIA stretching out it's development cycle.

However, ATI's lack of profitability was what made it such and easy target for AMD to buyout.

Say what you will about the 9800GTX but it's pretty much the best GPU available. I to was hoping for more performance out of it, but they probably did not want to cannibalize the GX2 sales. $329 for a top end card is a very big deal though and I'm not sure how you can complain about that.

It's looking like the X4xxx from AMD will still be based off of the R600 so not much hope for anything impressive there.