A question about Christianity...

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: shilala
I flunked out of Christianity on this exact topic. I dig Jesus, I just don't buy into the "Jesus is God" thing. It always directly contradicted the Commandments and set my simple mind off in bad directions. I can even buy the dying for our sins, died and rose to sit at the right hand of God, and all the rest that goes along with it.
I'm wondering how it is that he can rise from the dead and sit at the right hand of God if he's God. Multiple personalities? I think not. I just think someone on crack wrote the "Jesus is God" stuff before consulting the Bible.

That is pretty much what I am also confused about. After examining some of the links provided by everman, it seems that my question ties in more closely with the concept of the trinity. How can the three entities in the Trinity be one and three at the same time? For example, if Jesus is God, then he cannot be human at the same time. Also, if Jesus died at the cross, who was running the world from the time of his death till his resurrection?

 

[helo7050]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: helo7050
Jesus is not god. He is just a mssenger sent down from God. There is only 1 God and no one can be compared to him!

You have also not read the Bible.

I am Muslim....

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: helo7050

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: helo7050
Jesus is not god. He is just a mssenger sent down from God. There is only 1 God and no one can be compared to him!

You have also not read the Bible.

I am Muslim....

Then don't confuse him when he asks about Christianity.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: shilala
This is gonna be good...
Don't anyone reply until I get my marshmallows.

I'm already setting up the grill again.

*sniff sniff*
I THOUGHT I smelled charcoal.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

That is pretty much what I am also confused about. After examining some of the links provided by everman, it seems that my question ties in more closely with the concept of the trinity. How can the three entities in the Trinity be one and three at the same time? For example, if Jesus is God, then he cannot be human at the same time. Also, if Jesus died at the cross, who was running the world from the time of his death till his resurrection?

It's pretty interesting and one of the more difficult things to understand. So more linkage:
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[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: shilala
This is gonna be good...
Don't anyone reply until I get my marshmallows.

I'm already setting up the grill again.

*sniff sniff*
I THOUGHT I smelled charcoal.

I was wondering when you would show up.

 

[Kasper4christ]

your point?


anywho
since responding to this thread is already lowering my precious postcount
i'll just say, nik , i've got new respect for you
*cough*

Jesus was God, AND man, at the same time, dycotomy or something like that (sp?)
He died becuase it was the only way, He died becuase He wanted to give us salvation,
it was a GIFT, free for everyone..

also, helo7050, sure God must be above His creation in many ways, but He did create it, and He does care about and for it.

 

[meltdown75]

i brought some garlic sausages and a case of :beer:...

 

[Mo0o]

I was under the impression Jesus is God in human form. Technically he is the son of god but i think the bible says the son of god and god are the same thing

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i brought some garlic sausages and a case of :beer:...

You guys just keep bringing the stuff ... the party's not getting started!

From another link by everman:

Trinitarians emphatically believe that only one God exists. They do not believe in three separate Gods. Scripture says there is one God who is made up of three distinct persons or centers of consciousness. These three co-operate with each other in one mind and purpose. Therefore in the truest sense they are one.

Again, how can God be "made up" of three persons? God by his nature is the one and only supernatural being worthy of being worshipped. That is the traditional definition of God.

If God shares his power with someone else, then He is no longer the God we have all come to think of. If there is truly more than one God, wouldn't there be chaos in the universe resulting from some sort of a power struggle ... as we see in Greek mythology?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i brought some garlic sausages and a case of :beer:...

You guys just keep bringing the stuff ... the party's not getting started!

no BBQ?

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

That is pretty much what I am also confused about. After examining some of the links provided by everman, it seems that my question ties in more closely with the concept of the trinity. How can the three entities in the Trinity be one and three at the same time? For example, if Jesus is God, then he cannot be human at the same time. Also, if Jesus died at the cross, who was running the world from the time of his death till his resurrection?

It's pretty interesting and one of the more difficult things to understand. So more linkage:
Text

Thanks for the link, everman.
It does clear things up to the point that "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" is covered.
It's always bothered me every time I heard "Jesus is Lord" or "Jesus is God". Folks seem to place the importance of Jesus ahead of God. I can now see the rationality that all are one, making "Jesus is Lord" technically correct (albeit confusing) and equal to God and the Holy Spirit.
I always imagined the Trinity as three seperate entities rather than one consciousness.
This exact sort of reasoning is why I think religion sucks. Maybe the reason it's confusing is to incite discussion?

 

[imported_Lucifer]

The only lord I worship is Satan.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i brought some garlic sausages and a case of :beer:...

You guys just keep bringing the stuff ... the party's not getting started!

no BBQ?

Not enough flames.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i brought some garlic sausages and a case of :beer:...

You guys just keep bringing the stuff ... the party's not getting started!

no BBQ?

Not enough flames.

Indeed. Wasn't the other thread like 15 pages long at this point?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Also, Jesus is never said to have explicitly claimed to be God, right? How then can one attribute such claims to Jesus?

One explanation of Jesus' purpose in this world is that "he came to enhance the inner meaning and purity of the religion that had become heavily burdened by outer ritual, dietary laws and abuse of power by rabbinical figures."

If that is true, then how can he change the concept of God (by claiming to be divine, IF he made that claim) that had been established by all the prophets before him ... that God is one?

 

[illustri]

didn't an irish saint say something about the three leaf clover?

 

[shilala]

Throw "Father, why doest thou forsake me?" into the argument and it makes Jesus a bit uninformed. Maybe he missed the Trinity memo?

 

[StageLeft]

Jesus wasn't God. Thread over

Throw "Father, why doest thou forsake me?" into the argument and it makes Jesus a bit uninformed. Maybe he missed the Trinity memo?

Yeah, I think that's a reference to his mortality. He did, afterall, go through a lot in the bible.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Nik

We've tried many, many, many times. Asshats refuse to leave it alone. They fvck up serious, legitmate threads with their childish insults.

You mean like you are doing now?

 

[meltdown75]

Well good then. Less BBQs is a good thing. I get all excited when someone says BBQ - it's just because I haven't eaten yet.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Well good then. Less BBQs is a good thing. I get all excited when someone says BBQ - it's just because I haven't eaten yet.

omgwtfbbq?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: shilala
Throw "Father, why doest thou forsake me?" into the argument and it makes Jesus a bit uninformed. Maybe he missed the Trinity memo?

Well, in that verse, Jesus seems to addressing God as if he is separate from Him and they are two different and distinct beings.

Also, what does Jesus mean when he says: "Not my will, but yours be done"? He seems to be bowing in submission to God which means that he is inferior to God as all human beings are ...

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Well good then. Less BBQs is a good thing. I get all excited when someone says BBQ - it's just because I haven't eaten yet.

omgwtfbbq?

the wife is coming home with some pork chops. even Jesus likes a good pork chop.

 

[clamum]

Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.