A question about Christianity...

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

you want a pork chop?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

you want a pork chop?

I don't much care for pork chops, but I could use a nice big steak....

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

Which is why I am a Satanist.

And yes, I would like a porkchop.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

you want a pork chop?

I don't much care for pork chops, but I could use a nice big steak....

*sizzle sizzle* how do you like that cooked sir?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

you want a pork chop?

I don't much care for pork chops, but I could use a nice big steak....

*sizzle sizzle* how do you like that cooked sir?

Medium rare works for me

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

Which is why I am a Satanist.

And yes, I would like a porkchop.

coming right up...

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

you want a pork chop?

I don't much care for pork chops, but I could use a nice big steak....

*sizzle sizzle* how do you like that cooked sir?

Medium rare works for me

mmm, good choice. baked potatoes and sour cream are available. help yourself.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

Which is why I am a Satanist.

And yes, I would like a porkchop.

coming right up...

:thumbsup:

 

[meltdown75]

oopsy daisy, didn't mean to jack your thread gentlemen... :Q

 

[sao123]

According to old testament law, only living blood can remove sin. This is why animal sacrifices were used in the old testament. However, these sacrifices while removing committed sins, did not break the bondage of sin.

Jesus is fully God, yet also only part of God. Its a difficult concept to master. 3 unique indifiduals each having its own purpose and role, yet all having full Godship. None is supreme over the other, and all together work for the same purpose. The only verse I remember which proclaims Jesus as god, is in John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
The word here is referring to Jesus.

Jesus died as a sinless perfect sacrifice. No earthly person could kill Jesus, he willingly died. When scripture says he gave up the ghost, was a point where he caused himself to die. Philosophically, Jesus then took on the complete sins of the world and went to hell. Yet, because he was sinless & pure, hell could not hold him. (There are supposed events occuring while jesus was in hell - a fight with Satan bounding him, and taking the keys of death and hell until the end times when they would be used during the judgement. But I need to research more into these events.) After defeating death and hell, rose himself from the dead. After having been the perfect sacrificial lamb at judgement day, he is now the only one worthy to open the lambs book of life, which has the names of all those who serve God and are to be allowed into heaven.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: clamum
Who cares it's all a bunch of fairy tale crap anyway.

So ... do you have a concept of the afterlife? If not, what do you think happens to the mind after death. I mean the body will disintegrate organically but what happens to your sense of being .. the mind has to exist somewhere in some form ... right?

Also, what's the point of life then? Why do good if there's no reward for it? In other words, why abstain from evil if there is no one to hold you to account?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: sao123
According to old testament law, only living blood can remove sin. This is why animal sacrifices were used in the old testament. However, these sacrifices while removing committed sins, did not break the bondage of sin.

Jesus is fully God, yet also only part of God. Its a difficult concept to master. 3 unique indifiduals each having its own purpose and role, yet all having full Godship. None is supreme over the other, and all together work for the same purpose. The only verse I remember which proclaims Jesus as god, is in John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
The word here is referring to Jesus.

Jesus died as a sinless perfect sacrifice. No earthly person could kill Jesus, he willingly died. When scripture says he gave up the ghost, was a point where he caused himself to die. Philosophically, Jesus then took on the complete sins of the world and went to hell. Yet, because he was sinless & pure, hell could not hold him. (There are supposed events occuring while jesus was in hell - a fight with Satan bounding him, and taking the keys of death and hell until the end times when they would be used during the judgement. But I need to research more into these events.) After defeating death and hell, rose himself from the dead. After having been the perfect sacrificial lamb at judgement day, he is now the only one worthy to open the lambs book of life, which has the names of all those who serve God and are to be allowed into heaven.

Thanks for your reply. Referring to John 1:1, doesn't it also mean that we were all "with God" in the beginning? I mean we were all in the collective conscious of God, right? He certainly had the knowledge of our creation with Him before we existed in physical form.

Also with reference to the Trinity, how can all three figures be the same? One HAS to be supreme over the other two ... the one who created ... created everything AND the other two.

 

[Stark]

LINK

God inhabited a human body in the form of Jesus Christ. God didn't die, but the mortal body He inhabited did.

 

[Kasper4christ]

nice and to the point there Stark

 

[Toastedlightly]

I be a devout christian, and I love my pork, brats, EVERYTHIN!!@! BUHAHAH

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Stark
LINK

God inhabited a human body in the form of Jesus Christ. God didn't die, but the mortal body He inhabited did.

How can He not die if the body He inhabited died? Can He do this because He is God? Well, then why did he need to die in the first place?

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll:
If you have a serious religious question, go ask your local pastor. Don't ask the hoards of fvcking asshats on a computer forum that flame Christianity -not religion, just Christianity.

hordes, asshat

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: sao123
According to old testament law, only living blood can remove sin. This is why animal sacrifices were used in the old testament. However, these sacrifices while removing committed sins, did not break the bondage of sin.

Jesus is fully God, yet also only part of God. Its a difficult concept to master. 3 unique indifiduals each having its own purpose and role, yet all having full Godship. None is supreme over the other, and all together work for the same purpose. The only verse I remember which proclaims Jesus as god, is in John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
The word here is referring to Jesus.

Jesus died as a sinless perfect sacrifice. No earthly person could kill Jesus, he willingly died. When scripture says he gave up the ghost, was a point where he caused himself to die. Philosophically, Jesus then took on the complete sins of the world and went to hell. Yet, because he was sinless & pure, hell could not hold him. (There are supposed events occuring while jesus was in hell - a fight with Satan bounding him, and taking the keys of death and hell until the end times when they would be used during the judgement. But I need to research more into these events.) After defeating death and hell, rose himself from the dead. After having been the perfect sacrificial lamb at judgement day, he is now the only one worthy to open the lambs book of life, which has the names of all those who serve God and are to be allowed into heaven.

Thanks for your reply. Referring to John 1:1, doesn't it also mean that we were all "with God" in the beginning? I mean we were all in the collective conscious of God, right? He certainly had the knowledge of our creation with Him before we existed in physical form.

Also with reference to the Trinity, how can all three figures be the same? One HAS to be supreme over the other two ... the one who created ... created everything AND the other two.

That's been up for debate for a long time. Part of the reason the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox churches broke apart was because of theology regarding the Trinity.

According to the Jewish creation story in Genesis (which Jesus undoubtedly knew and believed), God created man after He created the rest of the universe. Also, God in Genesis refers to himself in a plural form, so all three (F,S, HS) are seen as having always existed together.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: spidey07
jesus wasn't god. He died for our sins to return by his fathers side.

'least that's what I remember.

The dogma preached by Catholicism recognizes divinity in Jesus. He is one apex of the Holy Trinity, which is composed of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: sao123
According to old testament law, only living blood can remove sin. This is why animal sacrifices were used in the old testament. However, these sacrifices while removing committed sins, did not break the bondage of sin.

Jesus is fully God, yet also only part of God. Its a difficult concept to master. 3 unique indifiduals each having its own purpose and role, yet all having full Godship. None is supreme over the other, and all together work for the same purpose. The only verse I remember which proclaims Jesus as god, is in John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
The word here is referring to Jesus.
Jesus died as a sinless perfect sacrifice. No earthly person could kill Jesus, he willingly died. When scripture says he gave up the ghost, was a point where he caused himself to die. Philosophically, Jesus then took on the complete sins of the world and went to hell. Yet, because he was sinless & pure, hell could not hold him. (There are supposed events occuring while jesus was in hell - a fight with Satan bounding him, and taking the keys of death and hell until the end times when they would be used during the judgement. But I need to research more into these events.) After defeating death and hell, rose himself from the dead. After having been the perfect sacrificial lamb at judgement day, he is now the only one worthy to open the lambs book of life, which has the names of all those who serve God and are to be allowed into heaven.

Thanks for your reply. Referring to John 1:1, doesn't it also mean that we were all "with God" in the beginning? I mean we were all in the collective conscious of God, right? He certainly had the knowledge of our creation with Him before we existed in physical form.

Also with reference to the Trinity, how can all three figures be the same? One HAS to be supreme over the other two ... the one who created ... created everything AND the other two.

That's been up for debate for a long time. Part of the reason the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox churches broke apart was because of theology regarding the Trinity.

According to the Jewish creation story in Genesis (which Jesus undoubtedly knew and believed), God created man after He created the rest of the universe. Also, God in Genesis refers to himself in a plural form, so all three (F,S, HS) are seen as having always existed together.

Is it really the plural form or just authoritatively royal?

 

[sao123]

Thanks for your reply. Referring to John 1:1, doesn't it also mean that we were all "with God" in the beginning? I mean we were all in the collective conscious of God, right? He certainly had the knowledge of our creation with Him before we existed in physical form.

Also with reference to the Trinity, how can all three figures be the same? One HAS to be supreme over the other two ... the one who created ... created everything AND the other two.

God knew of our future existance, yet we were not with him, because we did not exist at that time. To say that we are part of the collective consious of God, would imply that we are part of God. We are not, we were created by God. Our collective conscience would not exist until the creation of our souls, which I believe the church teaches happens at conception. The angels & the fallen angels were also crreated, but they do not have souls. Jesus & the Holy Spirit (in spiritual form) always existed as part of God & neither of which were ever created, is the real message here.
One part of God cannot be supreme, because without the other 2, it cannot function alone. There is in inherent incompleteness, if the trinity would be missing 1 member.
As father, God performed the creation, but needed power and authority from Jesus to accomplish this. After sin & the downfall of man, seperation existed between God & Man. Jesus was the only one. God & Priest & Sacrifice all in one which could rebridge that gap between man and the father. However Jesus as a man could not continue to maintain that gap closure, once he complete his mission. Therefore, the Holy Spirit was sent as the third part of God to continually carry out what was started by Jesus. The continual bringing of man closer to God.

Also I forgot to mention in my previous post about, the instant Jesus died, the veil to the holy of holies (the sacrificial alter in the old testament) was torn from top to bottom by God. This signifies that animal sacrifices were no longer necessary, because of the sinless sacrifice of Jesus. It also symblizes the rebridging from God to man I spoke of earlier. Only the priest could enter the holy of holies in the OT. Now every man can approach God as himself, instead of through a mediator. IE jewish high priest

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Stark
LINK

God inhabited a human body in the form of Jesus Christ. God didn't die, but the mortal body He inhabited did.

How can He not die if the body He inhabited died? Can He do this because He is God? Well, then why did he need to die in the first place?

because in the covenant God made with Israel, blood sacrifice was required to forgive sins. God had to take the form of something (a man) that could bleed and die to create a new covenant in which the sins of all mankind could be forgiven.

Modern Christian theology is that a beleiver never really dies. They go straight from their human body into the presence of God. Only a non-believer dies... in what is seen as eternal separation from God, or Hell.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Stark
LINK

God inhabited a human body in the form of Jesus Christ. God didn't die, but the mortal body He inhabited did.

How can He not die if the body He inhabited died? Can He do this because He is God? Well, then why did he need to die in the first place?

because in the covenant God made with Israel, blood sacrifice was required to forgive sins. God had to take the form of something (a man) that could bleed and die to create a new covenant in which the sins of all mankind could be forgiven.

Modern Christian theology is that a beleiver never really dies. They go straight from their human body into the presence of God. Only a non-believer dies... in what is seen as eternal separation from God, or Hell.

But if God is omnipotent, why then did god have to do that? And if God chose to do that, what's the point? Why was all that necessary?

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: sao123

Thanks for your reply. Referring to John 1:1, doesn't it also mean that we were all "with God" in the beginning? I mean we were all in the collective conscious of God, right? He certainly had the knowledge of our creation with Him before we existed in physical form.

Also with reference to the Trinity, how can all three figures be the same? One HAS to be supreme over the other two ... the one who created ... created everything AND the other two.

God knew of our future existance, yet we were not with him, because we did not exist at that time. To say that we are part of the collective consious of God, would imply that we are part of God. We are not, we were created by God. Our collective conscience would not exist until the creation of our souls, which I believe the church teaches happens at conception. The angels & the fallen angels were also crreated, but they do not have souls. Jesus & the Holy Spirit (in spiritual form) always existed as part of God & neither of which were ever created, is the real message here.

I didn't mean to say that we are a part of God in any way. God has the knowledge of everything that has happened, is happening and will happen. Therefore, He knew of our existence before we existed, before anything existed, except Him. In this sense, we were all with God from the very beginning.

One part of God cannot be supreme, because without the other 2, it cannot function alone. There is in inherent incompleteness, if the trinity would be missing 1 member.
As father, God performed the creation, but needed power and authority from Jesus to accomplish this. After sin & the downfall of man, seperation existed between God & Man. Jesus was the only one. God & Priest & Sacrifice all in one which could rebridge that gap between man and the father. However Jesus as a man could not continue to maintain that gap closure, once he complete his mission. Therefore, the Holy Spirit was sent as the third part of God to continually carry out what was started by Jesus. The continual bringing of man closer to God.

Why would God need Jesus' authority/power to do anything? He is God, he needs no helpers. After the "sin & downfall" of man, if Jesus is the "only one", who is he bridging the gap between ... man and himself?

Also I forgot to mention in my previous post about, the instant Jesus died, the veil to the holy of holies (the sacrificial alter in the old testament) was torn from top to bottom by God. This signifies that animal sacrifices were no longer necessary, because of the sinless sacrifice of Jesus. It also symblizes the rebridging from God to man I spoke of earlier. Only the priest could enter the holy of holies in the OT. Now every man can approach God as himself, instead of through a mediator. IE jewish high priest

If every human being can now approach God without a mediator, why do Christians still invoke Jesus' name as an intermediary before God? Nothing, they believe is done without his blessing ... there still seems to be a gap.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Stark
LINK

God inhabited a human body in the form of Jesus Christ. God didn't die, but the mortal body He inhabited did.

How can He not die if the body He inhabited died? Can He do this because He is God? Well, then why did he need to die in the first place?

because in the covenant God made with Israel, blood sacrifice was required to forgive sins. God had to take the form of something (a man) that could bleed and die to create a new covenant in which the sins of all mankind could be forgiven.

Modern Christian theology is that a beleiver never really dies. They go straight from their human body into the presence of God. Only a non-believer dies... in what is seen as eternal separation from God, or Hell.

But if God is omnipotent, why then did god have to do that? And if God chose to do that, what's the point? Why was all that necessary?

god did this to show that they should keep their religious beliefs?. God can do anything/whatever he wants. in all..since we are not a higher power. we will NEVER know what a higher power does/thinks...

theres only us. (humans) lower beings and one/many higher power "gods" we will never understand why/what god does/do.