Discussion A totally serious question!!

JEDIYoda

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If you are in a vehicle going the speed of light, what happens when you turn the headlights on???
 

Charmonium

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The faster you go, the more mass you have and in theory, travelling AT c would require infinite mass. Personally, I've always wondered why that should be. Particle accelerators can boost particles and ions to within just a tiny fraction of c and their mass is hardly infinite. But the increase in mass does still continue to increase at an increasing rate IIRC

edit: interestingly, neutrinos travel at virtually the speed of light and yet have almost no mass.
 

Charmonium

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Here's some stuff that might be interesting.

I watch a lot of stuff on the Science Channel. Most of it is what I would call pretty "soft core" science, but some show like how the universe works are pretty serious. One of the things the physicists on the show are fond of saying is that when your theory starts pooping out infinities, it means you're missing something.

One of the problems with general relativity is that it made time an actual physical quality of the universe. That was unnecessary as physicist Julian Barbour has shown.

Beyond that, physicists are finally looking for data that is inconsistent with the theory. https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-m...-cracks-in-einsteins-gravity-theory-20220223/ Really good interview.

as a general note for folks that don't follow this stuff, relativity and quantum mechanics are no bueno. On very basic levels they're inconsistent. For example, everything in Einstein's universe is smooth and continuous. QM is the precise opposite. It's even right there in the name. Everything has to exist in discrete packets or quanta. QM doesn't do "smooth."
 

PowerEngineer

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We evolved in a surroundings of distances, speeds, and time increments that have shaped our "common sense" to expect that object speeds are additive. If a car is traveling at 30 miles per hour and you fire a bullet straight ahead at 1700 miles per hour we expect that a stationary observer will measure the speed of the bullet as 1730 miles per hour. And that (to a very high degree of practical accuracy) is what happens.

But the special theory of relativity showed us that our "common sense" doesn't work very well at much higher speeds approaching the speed of light. The simple answer is that any observer will measure light as moving at the speed of light regardless of the relative motion of the source emitting the light. (And only particles with no mass can and must travel at the speed of light.)

FWIW, my understanding is that what increases as an object accelerates is its inertia which is due to its resting mass and to the kinetic energy it has. Because the inertia of an object is increasing with its speed, each time you add energy to it you get a little smaller speed change than before. It is "as if" its resting mass is increasing.
 
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sandorski

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We evolved in a surroundings of distances, speeds, and time increments that have shaped our "common sense" to expect that object speeds are additive. If a car is traveling at 30 miles per hour and you fire a bullet straight ahead at 1700 miles per hour we expect that a stationary observer will measure the speed of the bullet as 1730 miles per hour. And that (to a very high degree of practical accuracy) is what happens.

But the special theory of relativity showed us that our "common sense" doesn't work very well at much higher speeds approaching the speed of light. The simple answer is that any observer will measure light as moving at the speed of light regardless of the relative motion of the source emitting the light. (And only particles with no mass can and must travel at the speed of light.)

FWIW, my understanding is that what increases as an object accelerates is its inertia which is due to its resting mass and to the kinetic energy it has. Because the inertia of an object is increasing with its speed, each time you add energy to it you get a little smaller speed change than before. It is "as if" its resting mass is increasing.

It's like we live inside a Bubble and the outer walls are the extremes where things become distorted. Except that wall isn't at the extreme edge of the Universe, it exists in everything at the extreme of any trait of Existence. Both inside the Bubble and the Bubble.

Unless, the Bubble is just our Minds inability to conceptualize beyond a certain point. We need the next Newton or Einstein to figure out the easy to remember equation.
 

Charmonium

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It's like we live inside a Bubble and the outer walls are the extremes where things become distorted. Except that wall isn't at the extreme edge of the Universe, it exists in everything at the extreme of any trait of Existence. Both inside the Bubble and the Bubble.

Unless, the Bubble is just our Minds inability to conceptualize beyond a certain point. We need the next Newton or Einstein to figure out the easy to remember equation.
Sir! I'm going to need you to step away from the blunt.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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But the special theory of relativity showed us that our "common sense" doesn't work very well at much higher speeds approaching the speed of light. The simple answer is that any observer will measure light as moving at the speed of light regardless of the relative motion of the source emitting the light. (And only particles with no mass can and must travel at the speed of light.)
This is the important bit. Speed of light is relative to the observer, so anyone in the car will just see the lights turn on and photons fire out the front of the vehicle, identical to a stationary one. Anyone outside the car wouldn't see photons project from the front of the car (if such observations were possible to be made).

Yes, it's unintuitive. Most book-end physics events are.
 
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SKORPI0

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As you approach the speed of light with your headlights on, however, you would still measure the light beam racing away from your car at 186,000 miles per second (c). A 'stationary' observer watching this happen, though, would not then measure the beam's speed at almost twice c. Relativity says that all observers always get the same measurement for c .

 

deustroop

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The easy answer is that both you and the light travel at the same speed ( ignoring relativity) so looking out the side window would see light , out the front, no light at all.
 

Red Squirrel

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Once you hit C, you see some serious shit. Actually, I don't think you see anything because you'll probably be dead from the G forces of having to accelerate at that speed.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Once you hit C, you see some serious shit. Actually, I don't think you see anything because you'll probably be dead from the G forces of having to accelerate at that speed.
Given enough time, you can accelerate at 1g just fine.

I'm fact it takes about a year, suspiciously convenient enough of a measurement.
 

Charmonium

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Please do the Math, bro.
It sounds like you're talking about Leo Susskind's holographic universe. That was a big idea like 20 years ago, but when GR (as we know it) goes the way of the Dodo, I'm not sure either it still is or will be.

Leo is certainly a brilliant man but the old adage of garbage in, garbage out still appertains.
 

Toastedlightly

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The light would appear as if you were unmoving. Speed of light is the same for all observers.

Time for you so near the speed of light is slower. Since you experience time slower, the light would be appear to move as fast as the speed of light.

Now if you went the speed of light, not sure what happens then. Time travel?

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snoopy7548

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Since you're already traveling at the speed of light the light coming from the headlights would be traveling at 2x the speed of light because you're already traveling at the speed of light and then you add the speed of light coming from the headlights so you get 2x the speed of light when you're traveling at the speed of light and turn the headlights on.

EDIT: at the speed of light
 
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