Abortion Question

[AreaCode707]

<< The proper thing to do is to remove the tumor and teach the patient not to engage in high-risk behavior in the future. >>



Not like we could teach that behavior (taught or not, people will make their own choices) beforehand huh? Abstinence is the only 100% solution.

 

[voodooguy]

<< tell you what -- if you can safely transplant the baby in the father's womb and he spends nine months and risks medical complications to deliver it -- then he can decide. Until then, I think the current "host" should have her wishes respected. >>



You obviously have problems with reading comprehension.

I agree that the decision should be up to the mother.

The tumor is in her body, so she should decide how to treat it.

 

[Scootin159]

Gotta love how these type of discussions always quickly turn into personal attacks.

Anyways back to the topic here, How can the father be forced to pay child support payments if his responsibility ends with the sperm?

 

[voodooguy]

<< How can the father be forced to pay child support payments if his responsibility ends with the sperm? >>



It depends on whose fault led to the pregnancy.

If the woman tricked the man into getting her pregnant, he can countersue for rape, and claim that he was raped by the woman in question.

 

[Scootin159]

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<< How can the father be forced to pay child support payments if his responsibility ends with the sperm? >>



It depends on whose fault led to the pregnancy.

If the woman tricked the man into getting her pregnant, he can countersue for rape, and claim that he was raped by the woman in question. >>



well the current law allows women to just have 'casual sex' and have any product of that just be aborted, why can't the man just have 'casual sex' with now after effects.

 

[voodooguy]

<< well the current law allows women to just have 'casual sex' and have any product of that just be aborted, why can't the man just have 'casual sex' with now after effects. >>



When a woman aborts a baby, she is basically saying "the pregnancy was my fault, and I accept my responsibility, and I will fund the abortion".

When a woman has the baby, and decides to look after it herself, she is again accepting her responsibility and funding the child's upbringing.

It is only when a woman sues a man and demands child support that the question arises as to who has responsibility for the pregnancy.

If having the baby was a common decision, or was due to equivalent negligence by both parties, then both parties are equally responsible.

However, like I said, if the woman tricked the man into getting her pregnant, then the man can countersue for rape.

 

[Yeeny]

If the child is unwanted by the father, why can't he choose to have it aborted?

Um, because its not his body? If thats the way it should be, then women should have the right to have their men neutered before they have sex if they so choose, so the issue would never come up.

 

[TheBlondOne]

Lord only knows.... The man SHOULD be allowed to raise his child if he wants. My God, what's so bad about the baby living?

And sure the baby might be INSIDE the mother's body, but it is just as much the father's as it is the mother's, and thus the father should have a say on whether the baby should live or not.

And I don't buy the "it's the woman's body" argument. That just pisses me off.

--Sarah

 

[Scootin159]

<< If the child is unwanted by the father, why can't he choose to have it aborted?

Um, because its not his body? If thats the way it should be, then women should have the right to have their men neutered before they have sex if they so choose, so the issue would never come up. >>



but like I said...it's not her child anyways, it's THEIR child.

 

[Yeeny]

I am pro-life, and I will be damned if some man will tell me I have to have an abortion because he doesn't want my child. If he doesn't want it, its NOT his child. And I will use the its my body argument to defend my stance, the pro choicers do, so why don't I have that same right? As for the dad not having a say in the child living, thats just one of the tragic side effects of abortion. To some women, nine months feels like forever I guess, and they don't want to have to deal, I would assume? I have never had an abortion, never will, so its hard for me to say.

*edit* And this is assuming we are talking about two adults making these decisions, if its a 13 year old girl, then I would never judge her for making that choice, whether or not daddy wants to be involved. I would never judge an adult either, its not my place, but when they are that young, it really becomes a shade of grey.

 

[Scootin159]

<< Lord only knows.... The man SHOULD be allowed to raise his child if he wants. My God, what's so bad about the baby living?

And sure the baby might be INSIDE the mother's body, but it is just as much the father's as it is the mother's, and thus the father should have a say on whether the baby should live or not.

And I don't buy the "it's the woman's body" argument. That just pisses me off.

--Sarah >>



That's how I feel.




<< I am pro-life, and I will be damned if some man will tell me I have to have an abortion because he doesn't want my child. If he doesn't want it, its NOT his child. >>



I wasn't saying that either parent should have complete right to have the child aborted. If they MUST have a law allowing abortion, BOTH parents should have to agree, it shouldn't be just the mother's chioce. Personally however I feel there should be no law allowing anyone to kill an unborn child.

 

[jjones]

i think they should flip a coin to see who's child it is.

 

[Scootin159]

<< i think they should flip a coin to see who's child it is. >>



Or cut it in half....

 

[Yeeny]

<< I wasn't saying that either parent should have complete right to have the child aborted. If they MUST have a law allowing abortion, BOTH parents should have to agree, it shouldn't be just the mother's chioce. Personally however I feel there should be no law allowing anyone to kill an unborn child. >>



But thats the thing, you cannot take away freedoms in this country. If they make a law telling you that you don't have the right to have an abortion, whats to stop them from making a law to tell you that you do? It's a personal decision, one that is between each individual and their beliefs. I may not agree with it, but its not my place to hold someones hand and tell them how to live their life, and its not my place to judge them when they do.

 

[gopunk]

<< tell you what -- if you can safely transplant the baby in the father's womb and he spends nine months and risks medical complications to deliver it -- then he can decide. Until then, I think the current "host" should have her wishes respected. >>



if you're going to go that route, then men should have no responsibility for the child. you can't force them to be responsibile for the child but not give them any choice in the matter. well actually you can, it's happening, and that's why guys get screwed over.

if a mother decides that she doesn't need the man at all, then fine, it's solely her choice. but if she wants the guy to help raise that child, i think the guy should have a choice.

 

[StandardCell]

What possible good could come from posting a thread like this? We all know that different people have different opinions. Do we really need to validate our own opinions by starting threads like these??? *shakehead*

 

[BruinEd03]

i find these "stances" people have very interesting. I mean there's two supposed sides "pro-life" and "pro-choice"....now taken the words' actual meanings I don't know anyone that's anti-life or anti-choice.

Oh one last snipe (my views are somewhat in the middel btw) why are anti-abortionist..the supposed "pro-life" blowing up clinics thereby KILLING people...which IMO isn't really promoting life.

-Ed

 

[Scootin159]

<< i find these "stances" people have very interesting. I mean there's two supposed sides "pro-life" and "pro-choice"....now taken the words' actual meanings I don't know anyone that's anti-life or anti-choice.

Oh one last snipe (my views are somewhat in the middel btw) why are anti-abortionist..the supposed "pro-life" blowing up clinics thereby KILLING people...which IMO isn't really promoting life.

-Ed >>



there will always be the violent radicals

 

[Isla]

As long as sex sells and women are objectified, abortion remains a necessary evil.

If you REALLY care, then raise your sons to respect women and to see the sex act as something sacred rather than a sport/hobby/entertainment. Help make this a world where girls and women are valued for other things besides their attractiveness and fockablity.


<---doesn't like abortion but cares for hypocrisy even less

 

[gopunk]

i think if people adopted a cause, rather than a "stance" we'd all be much better off. for example, my cause is the welfare of the child. i don't care if it's abortion or whatever, whatever is best for the child is what i'm for. so when a crack addict wants to get an abortion, i'm all for it. if somebody doesn't want a child, i'm all for abortion too, because i don't want children to be raised by parents who didn't want them.

it's all about the children people, lets keep that in mind. it's not about women's rights or any crap like that. people should stop being so goddamn selfish.

 

[voodooguy]

<< Help make this a world where girls and women are valued for other things besides their attractiveness and fockablity. >>



You mean like cooking and cleaning?

 

[Nefrodite]

sex act as something sacred

ugh, making things sacred isn't good. in the past womens were put on pedistals to keep them down

 

[Isla]

LOL!!!!

Heh, I know, I know...

I think if you are going to be pro-life, you sure better be anti-porn...

I guess what gets to me is those people who preach pro life but then diddle the church secretary on the side... those guys who are so sanctimonious about the sanctity of life but then wank off to some internet porn site on a daily basis.

I think sex is a good thing but I also think it has power very few ever even begin to realize.

 

[Isla]

Just to clarify really quickly...

If you see women as objects to wank off to, then you can't see the fruit of sex (babies) as something besides an object.

If you are TRULY pro-life, you should also be anti-porn/industries that exploit women/sex.

 

[voodooguy]

<< If you are TRULY pro-life, you should also be anti-porn/industries that exploit women/sex. >>



Porn helps men let off steam and prevents a lot of unwanted babies from ever being conceived.

These unwanted babies would otherwise have to be aborted.