Abortion Question

[Scootin159]

I would first like to state that I am pro-life, but that is not the point of this post.

What my question is about the current abortion law. Why is it that it is felt that the mother has the choice to kill her baby, but the father has no input into the decision? If the child is unwanted by the father, why can't he choose to have it aborted? If the child is born, and he can be proven to be the father, can't he be required to pay child support payments? Also why can the mother choose to have the baby killed without the father's permission. What if the father wants to raise the child on his own.

*anticipating flame fest*

 

[Alligator]

burn baby burn

the reason why is that its the womans body and its her decision

if you dont want the baby don't be so irresponsible in knocking a girl up

 

[Scootin159]

<< burn baby burn

the reason why is that its the womans body and its her decision

if you dont want the baby don't be so irresponsible in knocking a girl up >>



But it's not her child

Why can't the girl be held responsible for having sex as well?

 

[NewCompGeek]

i can care less about abortion because my future wife would never have to worry about that

 

[DreamKing]

Yeah, I tend to stay "neutral" on this issue as well.

The only thing that I add to it is you can do what you want with your own body, but YOU have to live the rest of your life with the knowledge and responsibility that you destroyed a life....can you do it?

 

[Alligator]

keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened.

 

[notfred]

<< keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened. >>



That would be messy. Pull it out of your pants before you whack off.

 

[Scootin159]

<< keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened. >>



This isn't a pro-life/pro-choice thread. This is a thread discussing this portion of the current abortion law.

 

[datalink7]

<<

<< keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened. >>



That would be messy. Pull it out of your pants before you whack off. >>



That would still be messy. Pull it out of your pants, go to the bathroom, and then you can whack it off.

 

[Carbo]

Scootin, you raise some interesting points. Any rational thinking person would agree that both abortion laws and child custody laws in this country are outraegously biased toward women and thoroughly unfair to men.

 

[NewCompGeek]

<< keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened. >>



That would be messy. Pull it out of your pants before you whack off.


lol

 

[Alligator]

keep it in your pants with the ladies silly man

 

[Kadarin]

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<< keep it in your pants and whack off if you cant live with what happened. >>



That would be messy. Pull it out of your pants before you whack off. >>



LOL! Yes, this is always good advice.

I think the law is written the way it is because having a child has a far greater physical impact on women than it does on men, so women are given the greater latitude with regard to dealing with these situations. (Just to clarify, I'm a network support engineer, not a lawyer.)

I am pro-choice, btw.

-j

 

[conjur]

<< But it's not her child

Why can't the girl be held responsible for having sex as well? >>

 

[Scootin159]

<< Scootin, you raise some interesting points. Any rational thinking person would agree that both abortion laws and child custody laws in this country are outraegously biased toward women and thoroughly unfair to men. >>



thank you. How can we expect to have equality in this world when our govenment has laws that declare the opposite.

 

[glenn1]

<< What my question is about the current abortion law. Why is it that it is felt that the mother has the choice to kill her baby, but the father has no input into the decision? >>



Because by the twisted and manufactured "constitutional law" the Supreme Court used to reach the decision in Roe v. Wade, there is no other possible alternative. How can you premise the "right" to abortion on the (Constitutionally non-existent) right to privacy, then turn around and allow a second party (i.e. the man) to have any input into the what was just deemed a Constitutionally protected private matter for the woman alone (and perhaps her doctor as well in a professional consultation role)?

Of course, nothing is ever without its repercussions, and women are reaping the whirlwind for their great "victory" in that as men are cut out of the family planning process, and as the ultimate decision making power falls to the woman, men are in droves refusing to acknowledge any responsibility in the process of raising children. Couple that with the other great feminist "victory", no-fault divorce, and you have a recipe for skyrocketing single motherhood. So congratulations feminist women, for your troubles of securing your ultimate, God and Supreme Court-given right to have an abortion, you've effectively resigned an entire generation of children (and working on two generations now) to a marginal family experience, when one exists at all. What is it, like 70% of black children who are now born out of wedlock? Your children (should you decide to have them) will no doubt be proud. :disgust:

 

[AreaCode707]

<< Why can't the girl be held responsible for having sex as well? >>



That's one of my problems with abortion. Sex isn't a biological necessity to a single entity (ducks the flames). Both women and men should be responsible for the choices they make about their sex lives. Pregnancy is a possible result and I think that should be taken into consideration beforehand.

 

[gopunk]

the reason why is that its the womans body and its her decision

it's also the man's baby, shouldn't it be partially his decision?

if you dont want the baby don't be so irresponsible in knocking a girl up

same goes for women... you can't put all the blame on the men, unless some rape is going on or something.

and yes, the laws are biased, divorce laws too. *shrug* at least we have penises.

 

[Nefrodite]

simple biology. after the fathers donation what does he have to do with it at a fundamental biological level? nothing. in time men maybe able to bear children artificially..then it would become his decision.

 

[voodooguy]

The baby is basically a benign tumor.

How would you like it if someone else had some say on how you would be treated regarding a benign tumor in your stomach?

The decision should be solely yours (provided that you are mentally competent, etc) because the tumor is in your body.

 

[AreaCode707]

<< The baby is basically a benign tumor.

How would you like it if someone else had some say on how you would be treated regarding a benign tumor in your stomach?

The decision should be solely yours (provided that you are mentally competent, etc) because the tumor is in your body. >>



Okeedoke, thinking about it like that, your choice of actions put that benign tumor in you, so maybe you should have chosen your actions more carefully. And the difference between a developing baby and a benign tumor is that, left alone, the baby turns into (is from the beginning according to prolifers) an individual.

 

[voodooguy]

<< your choice of actions put that benign tumor in you, so maybe you should have chosen your actions more carefully >>



People get tumors in their mouth or lung due to smoking. People get tumors in their colon due to high-fat and high-red-meat diets. People get tumors on their skin for being out in the sun too long, especially without sunblock.

There are a whole bunch of high-risk behaviors that lead to benign tumors and malignant tumors (cancer). Pregnancy is a tumor just like any other tumor. The proper thing to do is not to blame the patient for past high-risk behavior, because the past cannot be changed. The proper thing to do is to remove the tumor and teach the patient not to engage in high-risk behavior in the future.

 

[Carbo]

voodooguy, are you truly a moron? Or, just playing one? A more ignorant statement I have never read! In fact, it is so stupendously assinine I'm going to save it and replay it here every once in a while when someone else, (or you, again), says something really, really stupid. You have just earned the first voodooguy award. Congrats!

 

[voodooguy]

<< voodooguy, are you truly a moron? Or, just playing one? A more ignorant statement I have never read! In fact, it is so stupendously assinine I'm going to save it and replay it here every once in a while when someone else, (or you, again), says something really, really stupid. You have just earned the first voodooguy award. Congrats! >>



Are you only capable of insulting others, or can you express why you disagree?

 

[Jfur]

tell you what -- if you can safely transplant the baby in the father's womb and he spends nine months and risks medical complications to deliver it -- then he can decide. Until then, I think the current "host" should have her wishes respected.