Academic Dishonesty

[Mill]

I ask this, did the cheating affect you?

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Amen to that...if the courses are cumulative and build on the previous year's knowledge they'll get screwed anyway.

That logic is so flawed.
Look I was going to make an A either way. I did mainly for the other people in the class. Think of it this way
I have a friend i the class lets call him "Will" , he would struggle with the quiz spend hours on it and still only pull a C out of it. He also would perfrom somewhat lackluster on the test. But all in all he deserved a C but becasue of these people and the way the grading scale works he may not walk away with a C. So I should just let it slide because in the future it will comeback around to get the offenders. I don' think so . If they cheat now and get away with it they will do it again.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Amen to that...if the courses are cumulative and build on the previous year's knowledge they'll get screwed anyway.

That logic is so flawed.
Look I was going to make an A either way. I did mainly for the other people in the class. Think of it this way
I have a friend i the class lets call him "Will" , he would struggle with the quiz spend hours on it and still only pull a C out of it. He also would perfrom somewhat lackluster on the test. But all in all he deserved a C but becasue of these people and the way the grading scale works he may not walk away with a C. So I should just let it slide because in the future it will comeback around to get the offenders. I don' think so . If they cheat now and get away with it they will do it again.

Did "Will" know about the cheating?

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
Not true did it anonymously.

Ahh. But more importantly, you know that you are a weasel.

Actually I did it the way the teacher requested . Thanks for your comment though.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Amen to that...if the courses are cumulative and build on the previous year's knowledge they'll get screwed anyway.

That logic is so flawed.
Look I was going to make an A either way. I did mainly for the other people in the class. Think of it this way
I have a friend i the class lets call him "Will" , he would struggle with the quiz spend hours on it and still only pull a C out of it. He also would perfrom somewhat lackluster on the test. But all in all he deserved a C but becasue of these people and the way the grading scale works he may not walk away with a C. So I should just let it slide because in the future it will comeback around to get the offenders. I don' think so . If they cheat now and get away with it they will do it again.

Did "Will" know about the cheating?

Yeah he did, the Prof. announced this in class. He even put the offendending stundents ids on the lcd and requested that they see him.

 

[kami333]

If it was in one of my science courses, yes. In a heart beat.

Most of us in the courses I took the last two years were pre-med so there's a LOT of competition going on. One less is always good.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Yeah, I'm sure graduate schools will be able to tell that your grade was lowered due not to your lack of course knowledge, but by cheaters. Suuure. Employers may not always care, but some people do.

-geoff

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Amen to that...if the courses are cumulative and build on the previous year's knowledge they'll get screwed anyway.

That logic is so flawed.
Look I was going to make an A either way. I did mainly for the other people in the class. Think of it this way
I have a friend i the class lets call him "Will" , he would struggle with the quiz spend hours on it and still only pull a C out of it. He also would perfrom somewhat lackluster on the test. But all in all he deserved a C but becasue of these people and the way the grading scale works he may not walk away with a C. So I should just let it slide because in the future it will comeback around to get the offenders. I don' think so . If they cheat now and get away with it they will do it again.

Did "Will" know about the cheating?

Yeah he did, the Prof. announced this in class. He even put the offendending stundents ids on the lcd and requested that they see him.

I'm a bit confused now. The Prof knew, so why would you have to turn them in? Just because he needed proof that someone took the stuff, and you knew that? I wouldn't have done anything because it wasn't my bag. If Will felt pissed about it he should have turned them in.

 

[Carbonadium4]

Just look at it this way..

If theres a job that offers 200k a year

and one of you is getting it but because his grade was better... u screwed urself.. dont wanna work at micky-D for the rest of ur life do you ?

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: kami333
If it was in one of my science courses, yes. In a heart beat.

Most of us in the courses I took the last two years were pre-med so there's a LOT of competition going on. One less is always good.

You should want to get ahead through your acheivements, not through someone else's disgrace.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

Well that's usually true. But what if someone's applying for graduate school or a scholarship? In both cases grades do matter. Anyway, eigen, I think ya did right.

 

[AndrewNF]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

You're missing the point of school. It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire. Doing the homework will benefit the 70% far more in life, then the 30% who got the higher grade. Once you graduate, no one cares what grade you got. They care whether or not you can do the job. The 70% who did the homework will be better positioned than the 30% of cheaters. It will always catch up with them.

I don't agree with cheating, but...

I don't think a blanket statement like "It isn't the grade, it is the knowledge you acquire" is always true. Many university programs require you take courses that aren't in your major (or minor) or are electives, and any knowledge you gain wouldn't be particularly useful. A higher GPA or being able to spend your time studying subjects important to you instead could easily be more useful.

However, cheating in subjects that you want to work in would likely turn out badly in the end, as you say.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: kami333
If it was in one of my science courses, yes. In a heart beat.

Most of us in the courses I took the last two years were pre-med so there's a LOT of competition going on. One less is always good.

You should want to get ahead through your acheivements, not through someone else's disgrace.

He does want to get ahead through his own achievements, but he does not want to be negatively impacted by others' disgraces.

-geoff

 

[eigen]

The Prof found out this way. All of the quiz/homework except the last was graded by a grad student and either the grad student did not notice the striking similarity between 10 of the students answers and the Solutions manual or just did not care , I don't know . The final one was graded by the Prof. he of course picked up on it real quick. This was day or two before the final (Weds) and he let us know that he suspected cheating on behalf of these ten studnets, he then stated he would need to see these students previous homework , and that no grades would be issued until the matter was resolved.

 

[Aharami]

even though what u did was the right thing to do, you should be minding your own business. if people find out, it wont be a happy day for u

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: eigen
The Prof found out this way. All of the quiz/homework except the last was graded by a grad student and either the grad student did not notice the striking similarity between 10 of the students answers and the Solutions manual or just did not care , I don't know . The final one was graded by the Prof. he of course picked up on it real quick. This was day or two before the final (Weds) and he let us know that he suspected cheating on behalf of these ten studnets, he then stated he would need to see these students previous homework , and that no grades would be issued until the matter was resolved.

Perfect. So why did he need your information. He already had it what he needed.

 

[Passions]

I would have ratted him out too. Heck I did it alot of times because it disgusts me. One time, I saw a kid furiously scribbling something a few seconds after time was up on a midterm, I busted his ass quick. Just because time is up, you think you are privledged to write more than others? I think not.

I walked up the to professor and pointed him out. The prof didn't think it was a big deal, but I let him know the Chancellor would be hearing about this if not. Kid was tearing up and about to cry, but it was his fault for doing it.

Do what's right. Rat out the rats!!!

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Passions
I would have ratted him out too. Heck I did it alot of times because it disgusts me. One time, I saw a kid furiously scribbling something a few seconds after time was up on a midterm, I busted his ass quick. Just because time is up, you think you are privledged to write more than others? I think not.

I walked up the to professor and pointed him out. The prof didn't think it was a big deal, but I let him know the Chancellor would be hearing about this if not. Kid was tearing up and about to cry, but it was his fault for doing it.

Do what's right. Rat out the rats!!!

What comes around goes around....

 

[eigen]

^ He requested info and I had some. I had known the whole semester that this one stundent had the Solutions, but I did not care because the impact is not going to be that great. But when 30% percent of the class is involved, I felt i should have volunteered the info.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Aharami
even though what u did was the right thing to do, you should be minding your own business. if people find out, it wont be a happy day for u

No way anyone finds out it was me. It simply not possible.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: eigen
The Prof found out this way. All of the quiz/homework except the last was graded by a grad student and either the grad student did not notice the striking similarity between 10 of the students answers and the Solutions manual or just did not care , I don't know . The final one was graded by the Prof. he of course picked up on it real quick. This was day or two before the final (Weds) and he let us know that he suspected cheating on behalf of these ten studnets, he then stated he would need to see these students previous homework , and that no grades would be issued until the matter was resolved.

Perfect. So why did he need your information. He already had it what he needed.

i think he confirmed the professors suspiscions.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: eigen
The student had aqcuired the the soulutions to numerous quiz/homeworks.The student distributed the solutions to other members of my class. The Prof confronted my class with this on the last day of class and said that Upwards of 30% of the class was implicated in the cheating. Now realize that that this was a second semester Electromagnetics course and that the takehome quizs requiered alot of time and effort and also accounted for a large portion of the grade. The prof also put a human face on the issus when he had a girl stand up in class and said that this girl would get a B due to the fact the people had performed artifically well on the homework.

Note: There was no other way for the stundet to acquire the solutions except from swiping them from a profs office or a lab, as they are questions made up by thr PRof. and so are not available online etc.

I think it was stupid for the prof to have solution made before the test was homework was due, but you did the right thing by turning him in.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: eigen
^ He requested info and I had some. I had known the whole semester that this one stundent had the Solutions, but I did not care because the impact is not going to be that great. But when 30% percent of the class is involved, I felt i should have volunteered the info.

:beer: for ya

 

[bcterps]

Remind me to never hire any of you people that have problems ratting out others. You may say it's different in a school environment, but if you can't do the right thing in school, I doubt you'll do it in a job.

 

I think you did the right thing. You worked hard for your grade, plus you are eliminating the competetion from the workforce.