Bad comparison
A passenger on the PA plane knew they were going to die if they let the hijackers continue what they were doing. These muggers were after her money and were, at worst, indifferent to her dying.
Bad comparisonOriginally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.
If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.
Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.
and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?
Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?
Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.
:roll: It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Why do police take risks? Why does the military take risks? If they do something, *GASP*, someone might DIE!! OH NOES!!
What if the guys on the plane that crashed in PA during 9/11 didn't do anything at all? What if that plane crashed at the terrorist's destination, killing perhaps thousands more? Would you rather lose the single plane or risk another World Trade Tower loss because you were too worried about losing the people on the plane?
How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people? Would you rather lose one in an attempt to stop them, and succeed in stopping them, or would you rather sit back and *hope* they don't kill anyone else just to save the people in the current situation? Even if you fail and someone *does* die and they get away, at least you tried.
Nevermind. You guys don't seem to think about the bigger picture and you'll find any way to argue and that's not something I wish to persue at this point. You do it your way and I'll do it my way.
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Argh. :| I bet they never catch the guy either :|
Yup. Too bad there wasn't anyone there who was willing to step in and do anything about it, huh.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
So you don't even consider how many robbers you will be confronting, as long as they are within 5' and don't show that they carry weapon (even though most likely will) you will fight them?
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DannyLove
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DannyLove
Sad story, but i must add that she is not very smart in testing someone that was armed with an ignorant sentence as "are you going to shoot us?"
danny~!
Didn't someone mension that the weapon surfaced only after she said that?
Weapon or not, it still wasn't very smart to test a thug like that. There is a reason ppl in this country do these kinds of crimes, they have nothing to lose. Why test that? Sad.
Wrong. People in this country do these kinds of crimes because they know that they can get away with it -that nobody's got the balls to stand up against them.
"Oh no! Someone's standing in front of me with their hand out asking me for my wallet! I'd better not do anything other than just give them my wallet just in case they have a weapon!"
heh...
Someone asking for my wallet is one thing. Someone asking for my wallet with a gun in my face is something else. Without a gun, I'd laugh and tell them to fvck off. As strange as it may sound, there *are* people on this planet who know how to defend themselves against unarmed and attackers armed with knives -and even a few (dripping with sarcasm) who have been trained on how to handle an attacker with a gun if they're within range.
If there's a gun in my face, there will almost always be a chance for physical contact with your attacker unless they play it smart and have you set it on something and back away or throw it to them or something. The only situation where I wouldn't try immediately taking down my attacker once they're inside my 5' bubble is if they never get inside the bubble to begin with.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
So you don't even consider how many robbers you will be confronting, as long as they are within 5' and don't show that they carry weapon (even though most likely will) you will fight them?
How many people does it take to steal a purse? Are we talking about confronting a couple people or a freakin gang of 15? Or are you just being stupid, trying to find ANYTHING that you can use to continue the argument? I've done it with 4 and it was easy.
Originally posted by: jdub1107
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
You aren't helping others by putting them in MORE danger. If you want to protect yourself and place yourself in danger, thats your decision. But don't try to be a hero and get others hurt. Do you think most people would rather give up their material goods or have you try to interfere? This only applies when someone has a weapon. I think its pretty obvious that anyone should defend themselves if the other person doesn't have a weapon.
I will guarantee that I put at least an equal amount of time learning to defend myself as you do.Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: jdub1107
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
You aren't helping others by putting them in MORE danger. If you want to protect yourself and place yourself in danger, thats your decision. But don't try to be a hero and get others hurt. Do you think most people would rather give up their material goods or have you try to interfere? This only applies when someone has a weapon. I think its pretty obvious that anyone should defend themselves if the other person doesn't have a weapon.
Sigh.
Do you drive? If so, why? Why drive when you can walk instead of put others in danger by driving?
Yes, I know what you're going to say, and I'm going to ignore it because you're just a tool.
Just because danger exists doesn't mean it's inevitable and I cannot, in good conscience, stand there doing nothing in a situation that I have a good chance of stopping or controlling until authorities arrive. If you don't want to deal with it, fine.
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
So you don't even consider how many robbers you will be confronting, as long as they are within 5' and don't show that they carry weapon (even though most likely will) you will fight them?
How many people does it take to steal a purse? Are we talking about confronting a couple people or a freakin gang of 15? Or are you just being stupid, trying to find ANYTHING that you can use to continue the argument? I've done it with 4 and it was easy.
Dude why do you seem so angry? First with the stfu comment and now calling me stupid. Not once have I been rude to you.
I guess 4-5 ppl doesn't seem that many to you, as for me that's a lot. I guess if you are trained and have handled this situation before then I got nothing else to say. But not everyone can handle this kind of situation and definitely the actress can't.
You're comparing the danger of driving against the danger of attacking four armed muggers?Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: jdub1107
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
You aren't helping others by putting them in MORE danger. If you want to protect yourself and place yourself in danger, thats your decision. But don't try to be a hero and get others hurt. Do you think most people would rather give up their material goods or have you try to interfere? This only applies when someone has a weapon. I think its pretty obvious that anyone should defend themselves if the other person doesn't have a weapon.
Sigh.
Do you drive? If so, why? Why drive when you can walk instead of put others in danger by driving?
Yes, I know what you're going to say, and I'm going to ignore it because you're just a tool.
Just because danger exists doesn't mean it's inevitable and I cannot, in good conscience, stand there doing nothing in a situation that I have a good chance of stopping or controlling until authorities arrive. If you don't want to deal with it, fine.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
So you don't even consider how many robbers you will be confronting, as long as they are within 5' and don't show that they carry weapon (even though most likely will) you will fight them?
How many people does it take to steal a purse? Are we talking about confronting a couple people or a freakin gang of 15? Or are you just being stupid, trying to find ANYTHING that you can use to continue the argument? I've done it with 4 and it was easy.
Dude why do you seem so angry? First with the stfu comment and now calling me stupid. Not once have I been rude to you.
I guess 4-5 ppl doesn't seem that many to you, as for me that's a lot. I guess if you are trained and have handled this situation before then I got nothing else to say. But not everyone can handle this kind of situation and definitely the actress can't.
I asked you a series of questions; I didn't call you stupid. :roll: Now, if you ARE just trying to find anything and everything you can use to keep arguing, then yes I will call you stupid.
If you don't know how to defend yourself, all I can do is strongly suggest you learn.
<-- see? Not angry, just defensive I guess. I'm sick of the attitude around way too many people I meet that basically says "woah is me, I'm helpless" when they can make an effort to learn and better themselves. Then, when they meet someone who DOES know WTF they're doing, they call them on how outlandish they must be not to be as helpless as they are because they can't possibly fathom someone being able to take control of the situation --or even TRY for that matter.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I will guarantee that I put at least an equal amount of time learning to defend myself as you do.Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
But who would she be trying to help? Trying to help her fiancee save the 30 bucks in his wallet?
Originally posted by: jdub1107
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Attrox
Tell me then Nik, under what realistic circumstances will you NOT confront the muggers/robbers?
If they're more than 5' away and they have a gun.
So you don't even consider how many robbers you will be confronting, as long as they are within 5' and don't show that they carry weapon (even though most likely will) you will fight them?
How many people does it take to steal a purse? Are we talking about confronting a couple people or a freakin gang of 15? Or are you just being stupid, trying to find ANYTHING that you can use to continue the argument? I've done it with 4 and it was easy.
Dude why do you seem so angry? First with the stfu comment and now calling me stupid. Not once have I been rude to you.
I guess 4-5 ppl doesn't seem that many to you, as for me that's a lot. I guess if you are trained and have handled this situation before then I got nothing else to say. But not everyone can handle this kind of situation and definitely the actress can't.
I asked you a series of questions; I didn't call you stupid. :roll: Now, if you ARE just trying to find anything and everything you can use to keep arguing, then yes I will call you stupid.
If you don't know how to defend yourself, all I can do is strongly suggest you learn.
<-- see? Not angry, just defensive I guess. I'm sick of the attitude around way too many people I meet that basically says "woah is me, I'm helpless" when they can make an effort to learn and better themselves. Then, when they meet someone who DOES know WTF they're doing, they call them on how outlandish they must be not to be as helpless as they are because they can't possibly fathom someone being able to take control of the situation --or even TRY for that matter.
You just made my point. You can only TRY. You can't guarantee that no one is going to get hurt. My point is only that, its not worth putting anyones life in danger for material goods ie. burglaries (rape, etc is different altogether)
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I will guarantee that I put at least an equal amount of time learning to defend myself as you do.Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. You've got to be kidding...
Yes, I've had more fightin'-armed-guys training than the majority of Americans. More importantly, I've been shot at enough times to know that I don't like it.
Anyhow, you keep living your tough-guy dream
Why would I be kidding? It really really pisses me off when fvcking asshats like you completely disregard or disrespect the time and effort I've put into learning how to defend myself and others. :| If you've got the tools to help, but you choose not to help, WTF good are your skills and what is your motivation to be such a douche bag?
But who would she be trying to help? Trying to help her fiancee save the 30 bucks in his wallet?
Ever heard of someone being mugged and killed when they DIDN'T put up a fight? It's nobody's fault for a shooting death but the guy holding the gun. If I try defending myself or others, it's not my fault if the attacker shoots and kills someone else. This may be hard for you to understand, but if I try taking down an attacker and he shoots and kills someone else in the process, do I get taken to court and charged with murder? No. I potentially saved the lives of everyone who *didn't* get killed who were involved.
I'm so very willing to take the chance to save those lives, even if it results in everyone being killed.
I will NOT take the chance that the wallet or purse is the only thing that will be taken. Yeah, people get robbed every day that get away without a scratch, but people also get robbed and killed even though they were completely cooperative and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to take that chance. It's better to act and fail then to never have acted at all, IMO.
Originally posted by: jdub1107
I will agree with you there.
Originally posted by: jdub1107
You're the dumbass. No one here agrees with you.
Originally posted by: jdub1107
Still unable to reply. YOU'RE AN IDIOT