i agree that it was bad judgement on her part, the #1 rule in situations like those is to stay quiet and give the criminals anything they want. Sad story.
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Ime
That's very sad, but you gotta admit she practically asked to be shot.
It doesn't matter the situation. If you are confronted with 4 armed robbers, you don't taunt them! Sheesh!
I feel badly for her fiancee.
So if your mon was raped by three thugs it would be ok for me to say "well she asked for it. She shouldn't have dressed as sluty as she did!"
The full blame should be put on the criminal and not the victim.
I'm sorry, but more than likely this woman would still be alive today if she wasn't so fvcking stupid. True it was the killer who pulled the trigger, but it probably would've never happened if she just kept her mouth shut.
The actual events that happened, and your hypothetical situation have nothing in common.
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: Hammer
its sad. i feel bad for her fiance too.
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Witnesses told investigators that one of the men grabbed for the other woman's purse and duFresne intervened, asking, "What are you going to do, shoot us?" A man then fired one shot at her, police said.
"GodDAMN awesome dude!"
Originally posted by: dayg
Sad story indeed. Her brave act didn't pay off.
Originally posted by: Ime
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.
OK. So you have a gun.
You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.
What are you going to do?
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ime
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.
OK. So you have a gun.
You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.
What are you going to do?
If I had a gun, I'd give them the wallet, and once they take it, and started to leave, I'd shoot the bastards in the back. Call it cowardly if you like, I like to call it even.
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ime
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.
OK. So you have a gun.
You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.
What are you going to do?
If I had a gun, I'd give them the wallet, and once they take it, and started to leave, I'd shoot the bastards in the back. Call it cowardly if you like, I like to call it even.
Originally posted by: Nik
Those who do not respect their ethical obligation to resist make me sick.
the more i think about it, the more i think she was slightly intoxicated when she said something so unguarded... coming from a bar and all...Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: dayg
Sad story indeed. Her brave act didn't pay off.
It might not even have been bravery to her, some people (like me) just aren't very good at assessing dangerousness in other people.
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ime
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.
OK. So you have a gun.
You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.
What are you going to do?
If I had a gun, I'd give them the wallet, and once they take it, and started to leave, I'd shoot the bastards in the back. Call it cowardly if you like, I like to call it even.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Ime
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.
OK. So you have a gun.
You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.
What are you going to do?
If I had a gun, I'd give them the wallet, and once they take it, and started to leave, I'd shoot the bastards in the back. Call it cowardly if you like, I like to call it even.
And then you would be arrested and charged with murder.
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Those who do not respect their ethical obligation to resist make me sick.
And those people who throw away their lives in a brazen act of stupidity, leaving their loved ones and friends behind, make me sick.
Originally posted by: Vic
Yet another perfect example of why it should be easier for law-abiding citizens to have a concealed carry in order to defend themselves with, and why murdering thieves like this should go straight from post-conviction sentencing to the gallows.
Thank you, bleeding hearts, you've killed another innocent. :|
Originally posted by: Ime
I've never been held up before so I can't say I'll react like that. However, with my suspicious attitude, I would have never been out in the streets that late to begin with. I always have a "what if" type of attitude. What if I get mugged in the streets? Answer? Dont be in the streets to begin with.
So then you agree, with us. She should not have confronted them.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Those who do not respect their ethical obligation to resist make me sick.
And those people who throw away their lives in a brazen act of stupidity, leaving their loved ones and friends behind, make me sick.
My loved ones would respect my choice to honor my ethical obligation to resist. That doesn't mean scream wildly and run at the attacker with your arms failing in the air, which some people seem to assume that it means.
Why not? IMO, a law-abiding citizen should have the right to carry at all times. And yeah, there's nothing you can do when a gang gets the drop on you, which is why you should be street-wise and wary enough to prevent that from happening in the first place. And why murdering bastards like that gang should feel the hangman's noose within an hour after their post-conviction sentencing -- they might think twice about murdering someone if they knew just how soon they would have to meet God's judgement for their crimes.Originally posted by: Yossarian
I don't think concealed carry inside a bar is a wise idea. And when a group of 4-5 guys gets the drop on you you are not gonna have much of a chance to draw first anyway.
Originally posted by: Vic
Why not? IMO, a law-abiding citizen should have the right to carry at all times.
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Those who do not respect their ethical obligation to resist make me sick.
And those people who throw away their lives in a brazen act of stupidity, leaving their loved ones and friends behind, make me sick.
My loved ones would respect my choice to honor my ethical obligation to resist. That doesn't mean scream wildly and run at the attacker with your arms failing in the air, which some people seem to assume that it means.
Why are you "ethically obligated to resist?" It's like cutting your nose off to spite your face. I don't know where your from, but there are certain cities and areas that under no circumstances should you resist, let alone say something stupid like that. Baltimore and NYC (certain areas) come to mind.
Originally posted by: RMSistight
Originally posted by: Ime
I've never been held up before so I can't say I'll react like that. However, with my suspicious attitude, I would have never been out in the streets that late to begin with. I always have a "what if" type of attitude. What if I get mugged in the streets? Answer? Dont be in the streets to begin with.
So then you agree, with us. She should not have confronted them.
Yes. I agree if you are confronted....carry like a gun in your shoe..haha
Why? Are you planning to attack them so that they will have to defend themselves against you? Otherwise, it's the criminals you have to worry about, not the law-abiding.Originally posted by: Yossarian
I could do without a lot of armed law-abiding inebriated individuals when I go out for a drink.Originally posted by: Vic
Why not? IMO, a law-abiding citizen should have the right to carry at all times.
Originally posted by: Vic
Why? Are you planning to attack them so that they will have to defend themselves against you? Otherwise, it's the criminals you have to worry about, not the law-abiding.Originally posted by: Yossarian
I could do without a lot of armed law-abiding inebriated individuals when I go out for a drink.Originally posted by: Vic
Why not? IMO, a law-abiding citizen should have the right to carry at all times.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Nik
Those who do not respect their ethical obligation to resist make me sick.
And those people who throw away their lives in a brazen act of stupidity, leaving their loved ones and friends behind, make me sick.
My loved ones would respect my choice to honor my ethical obligation to resist. That doesn't mean scream wildly and run at the attacker with your arms failing in the air, which some people seem to assume that it means.
Why are you "ethically obligated to resist?" It's like cutting your nose off to spite your face. I don't know where your from, but there are certain cities and areas that under no circumstances should you resist, let alone say something stupid like that. Baltimore and NYC (certain areas) come to mind.
They're breaking the law. I suppose the only real ethical obligation to the law would be to report any crime you know is being committed. However I tend to believe that it's my responsibility to do something when I see someone getting robbed. Why would I just stand there and do nothing? There are more ways to deal with someone with a gun than just screaming "SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME!"
...brings to mind the quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."
Maybe you're the kind of chicken sh|t (not saying you are, just describing the kind of person) that would just stand there going "better them getting robbed than me," but I'm the kind of non chicken sh|t that would actually do something about the attacker.