actress shot dead in NY

[Zap Brannigan]

Originally posted by: Ime
That's very sad, but you gotta admit she practically asked to be shot.

It doesn't matter the situation. If you are confronted with 4 armed robbers, you don't taunt them! Sheesh!

I feel badly for her fiancee.

Most armed robbers are cowardly scum bag killers. They go into places more interested in killing/raping people than robbing them.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: Vic
Why not? IMO, a law-abiding citizen should have the right to carry at all times.

I could do without a lot of armed law-abiding inebriated individuals when I go out for a drink.

Why? Are you planning to attack them so that they will have to defend themselves against you? Otherwise, it's the criminals you have to worry about, not the law-abiding.

every criminal was law abiding at one point. owning a firearm, let alone carryone one concealed, takes a certain degree of judgment and sense of responsibility. good judgment is one of the first things to go when you get intoxicated.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

Then you were very lucky indeed. Playing hero in a situation like this will more than likely get you or the people around you stabbed, shot, or killed. There's a difference between handling a bunch of punks in a suburban community, and taking on a bunch of thugs in the LES of NYC. Especially when you're unarmed, and its so difficult to get a CCW in NYC.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

 

[AStar617]

Ugh. Owned by LES hospitality, and her own big mouth. Such a shame, so so avoidable... :thumbsdown:

RIP

 

[jdub1107]

This has nothing to do with being chicken or not. You just have to pick your battles. You may have stood up to a small group in the past, does that mean the next time you stand up no one will get hurt again? Can you guarantee that? If not, why would you jeopardize you and others for material things? Maybe your trained for combat, I don't know, but I doubt most people are. Cleary this woman wasn't. Don't call people chicken for making a smart decision, even if it may be made from fear.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: AStar617
Ugh. Owned by LES hospitality, and her own big mouth. Such a shame, so so avoidable... :thumbsdown:

RIP

Well, I agree what she said was stupid...but it is entirely possibly she would have gotten shot anyway. Although, I think if she had kept her mouth shut she probably would still here.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.

 

[rh71]

nobody else thinks alcohol played some part in her actions ?

 

[OverVolt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: dayg
Sad story indeed. Her brave act didn't pay off.

It's a sad story, yes. But it is by no means a brave act. It's naive and stupid at best. If you're being robbed, you're obviously being put in a situation where people are irrational and desperate. And then you go and provoke them. Is your life really worth a snide remark? I mean what could she have possibly thought her comment would've done besides piss these guys off.

I can see you toting a gun around with the shifty eyes going on only to get bonked on the head with a coconut from behind and wake up without your wallet or gun. you must be a secret hyper-alert assassin ninja or something

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: rh71
nobody else thinks alcohol played some part in her actions ?

Yeah, you are right. Its certainly possible. But you know...I've been pretty damn stinking drunk before...and if some one pointed a gun in my face I would still shut the fvck up.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: rh71
nobody else thinks alcohol played some part in her actions ?

Yeah, you are right. Its certainly possible. But you know...I've been pretty damn stinking drunk before...and if some one pointed a gun in my face I would still shut the fvck up.

In her defense, it seems like the gun was drawn only after she made the comment. Still, I've had a knife pulled on me before when I was drunk, and I sure as hell didn't say "what are you going to do, stab me."

And yes, thank God for there being 6'4, 320lb+ bouncers.

 

[imthebadguy]

what can u do?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.

:roll: It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Why do police take risks? Why does the military take risks? If they do something, *GASP*, someone might DIE!! OH NOES!!

What if the guys on the plane that crashed in PA during 9/11 didn't do anything at all? What if that plane crashed at the terrorist's destination, killing perhaps thousands more? Would you rather lose the single plane or risk another World Trade Tower loss because you were too worried about losing the people on the plane?

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people? Would you rather lose one in an attempt to stop them, and succeed in stopping them, or would you rather sit back and *hope* they don't kill anyone else just to save the people in the current situation? Even if you fail and someone *does* die and they get away, at least you tried.

Nevermind. You guys don't seem to think about the bigger picture and you'll find any way to argue and that's not something I wish to persue at this point. You do it your way and I'll do it my way.

 

[Delleet]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Heifetz
I can't believe you guys are criticizing her for having some balls. Granted, it was probably the wrong thing to do in this case, but the criminals are the ones who shot her for a purse. I cannot fathom the mind of a person who shots another person for something worth so little.

If I kick a lion in the face, who are you going to call an idiot?

You need to expand this to: If I'm attacked by a lion while holding a side of ribs and I kick him in the face, who are you going to call an idiot?

 

[jdub1107]

Agents are TRAINED!!!! Most people aren't. That is why most people will not do anything, because they don't know what should be done. Look unless you or someone else is going to lose their life, why would you risk it? Yea if a terrorist is going to crash a plane and kill you and others, you should definitely risk a chance. But on a street where they want just your money???

Edit:

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people?

You don't. But thats why we have law enforcement agencies.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.

:roll: It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Why do police take risks? Why does the military take risks? If they do something, *GASP*, someone might DIE!! OH NOES!!

What if the guys on the plane that crashed in PA during 9/11 didn't do anything at all? What if that plane crashed at the terrorist's destination, killing perhaps thousands more? Would you rather lose the single plane or risk another World Trade Tower loss because you were too worried about losing the people on the plane?

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people? Would you rather lose one in an attempt to stop them, and succeed in stopping them, or would you rather sit back and *hope* they don't kill anyone else just to save the people in the current situation? Even if you fail and someone *does* die and they get away, at least you tried.

Nevermind. You guys don't seem to think about the bigger picture and you'll find any way to argue and that's not something I wish to persue at this point. You do it your way and I'll do it my way.

you're comparing the people on the flight in PA who stopped a terrorist plan to kill thousands of people with..... a street mugging over a purse?

you may be able to decide for yourself what you're going to do, but if there's other people present, then your actions affect them as well. you could wind up getting them killed. throw your life away by all means, but don't risk someone elses.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Agents are TRAINED!!!! Most people aren't.

Bingo.

Edit:

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people?

You don't. But thats why we have law enforcement agencies.

I'm not the type to stand around waiting a few minutes for the cops to arrive.

Seriously, if that's not your style, fine. If it is, more power to you. Why ya gotta bust my balls over it?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.

:roll: It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Why do police take risks? Why does the military take risks? If they do something, *GASP*, someone might DIE!! OH NOES!!

What if the guys on the plane that crashed in PA during 9/11 didn't do anything at all? What if that plane crashed at the terrorist's destination, killing perhaps thousands more? Would you rather lose the single plane or risk another World Trade Tower loss because you were too worried about losing the people on the plane?

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people? Would you rather lose one in an attempt to stop them, and succeed in stopping them, or would you rather sit back and *hope* they don't kill anyone else just to save the people in the current situation? Even if you fail and someone *does* die and they get away, at least you tried.

Nevermind. You guys don't seem to think about the bigger picture and you'll find any way to argue and that's not something I wish to persue at this point. You do it your way and I'll do it my way.

you're comparing the people on the flight in PA who stopped a terrorist plan to kill thousands of people with..... a street mugging over a purse?

you may be able to decide for yourself what you're going to do, but if there's other people present, then your actions affect them as well. you could wind up getting them killed. throw your life away by all means, but don't risk someone elses.

Go right ahead. I refuse to stand by and not do anything.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BigJ
What exactly would you do about the attackers? 4-5 shady characters, when it's you and your friend, and 2 probably helpless women.

If I saw it happening, I'd try to move out of plain sight and dial 911 as fast as I could, but if I'm unarmed and outnumbered, what good is it going to do if I step in and start putting up a fight? Just so I can try to save a a day or twos pay, and some credit cards that I have fraud protection on. Material possessions can be replaced but once you're dead, you stay dead.

Well, I had this huge post all written up ready to go, but I'm just going to be called a liar or made fun of for it, so I'm not going to say it. I'll just leave it alone. I know what I know and I wouldn't have any problem handling a small group of thugs. I've done it before with no one hurt and I would gladly do it again.

and if during your heroics, one of your friends get killed? what then?

Or when they shoot you...and decide to kill all the people you were trying to save in order to cover it up...what then?

Doesn't matter. He acted like a tough guy, that's all that matters.

:roll: It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Why do police take risks? Why does the military take risks? If they do something, *GASP*, someone might DIE!! OH NOES!!

What if the guys on the plane that crashed in PA during 9/11 didn't do anything at all? What if that plane crashed at the terrorist's destination, killing perhaps thousands more? Would you rather lose the single plane or risk another World Trade Tower loss because you were too worried about losing the people on the plane?

How do you know that the scumbags in that situation (robbery) won't continue on robbing and killing people? Would you rather lose one in an attempt to stop them, and succeed in stopping them, or would you rather sit back and *hope* they don't kill anyone else just to save the people in the current situation? Even if you fail and someone *does* die and they get away, at least you tried.

Nevermind. You guys don't seem to think about the bigger picture and you'll find any way to argue and that's not something I wish to persue at this point. You do it your way and I'll do it my way.

you're comparing the people on the flight in PA who stopped a terrorist plan to kill thousands of people with..... a street mugging over a purse?

you may be able to decide for yourself what you're going to do, but if there's other people present, then your actions affect them as well. you could wind up getting them killed. throw your life away by all means, but don't risk someone elses.

Go right ahead. I refuse to stand by and not do anything.

that's a very selfish and foolish attitude.

 

[jdub1107]

Seriously, if that's not your style, fine. If it is, more power to you. Why ya gotta bust my balls over it?

You don't seem to realize that just because you're willing to risk your life, the people you think you're protecting may not. Let's say I'm getting mugged and he/they want my wallet, I don't want you trying to be a hero and risk both our lives (mainly mine). Why not just give them the wallet? Because they may rob others? But at least no one is hurt and the police still have a chance to catch them. Granted they may hurt someone in the future, but you can't assume that they will.

EDIT: Do you think the person's family you were trying to protect would be grateful if you got their relative killed for a wallet?

 

[SuperTool]

"What are you gonna do, shoot us?" = famous last words.
She should have said, "What are you gonna do, let us go?"

 

[TravisT]

You know what, those guys better hope that they never get caught for this. Because that guy would likely ring their necks and kill them if he ever finds out. And if he can't get his hands on them, someone in prison will.