actress shot dead in NY

[DannyLove]

Wrong. People in this country do these kinds of crimes because they know that they can get away with it -that nobody's got the balls to stand up against them.

lol you're an idiot. seriously. end yourself.

 

[jdub1107]

Please

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DannyLove

Wrong. People in this country do these kinds of crimes because they know that they can get away with it -that nobody's got the balls to stand up against them.

lol you're an idiot. seriously. end yourself.

Uh oh! Better do as he says because he might have a gun! *gasp*

 

[CRXican]

of all the things she could say

 

[DannyLove]

maybe one day you'll be presented with this exact situation, according to your philosophy, you'll stand up against them...unless you're strapped yourself, you too will be on the side of the road dying and thinking to yourself, "god, i'm an idiot"

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Nik
I asked you a series of questions; I didn't call you stupid. :roll: Now, if you ARE just trying to find anything and everything you can use to keep arguing, then yes I will call you stupid.

If you don't know how to defend yourself, all I can do is strongly suggest you learn.

<-- see? Not angry, just defensive I guess. I'm sick of the attitude around way too many people I meet that basically says "woah is me, I'm helpless" when they can make an effort to learn and better themselves. Then, when they meet someone who DOES know WTF they're doing, they call them on how outlandish they must be not to be as helpless as they are because they can't possibly fathom someone being able to take control of the situation --or even TRY for that matter.

Just because you can doesn't mean you have to do it. You have to pick your battle.
You are willing to risk yourself and others for just a few bucks in your wallet, I sure don't.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: jdub1107
You're the dumbass. No one here agrees with you. You're fighting a one man battle because you're wrong fool. You still haven't answered as to why law enforcement officials preach a whole different way of acting. Is it because you can't????

The key here is safety for others first.
That's why law enforcement official does not act recklessly during car chase and the chase tends to last a long time. That's why swat team has a negotiator during hostage situation and direct confrontation is always the last resort.

 

[shuan24]

If I recall correctly, Nik doesn't believe that a person can be forced to do anything even with a gun pointed to their head. With that kind of mentality, Nik has no choice but to be close minded in how the world really is.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Nik
Ever heard of someone being mugged and killed when they DIDN'T put up a fight? It's nobody's fault for a shooting death but the guy holding the gun. If I try defending myself or others, it's not my fault if the attacker shoots and kills someone else. This may be hard for you to understand, but if I try taking down an attacker and he shoots and kills someone else in the process, do I get taken to court and charged with murder? No. I potentially saved the lives of everyone who *didn't* get killed who were involved.

I'm so very willing to take the chance to save those lives, even if it results in everyone being killed.

I will NOT take the chance that the wallet or purse is the only thing that will be taken. Yeah, people get robbed every day that get away without a scratch, but people also get robbed and killed even though they were completely cooperative and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to take that chance. It's better to act and fail then to never have acted at all, IMO.

I sure have heard of people being killed even though they didn't put up a fight. But why increase the chances?

BTW, thanks for being condescending through all this

 

[jdub1107]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: jdub1107
You're the dumbass. No one here agrees with you. You're fighting a one man battle because you're wrong fool. You still haven't answered as to why law enforcement officials preach a whole different way of acting. Is it because you can't????

The key here is safety for others first.
That's why law enforcement official does not act recklessly during car chase and the chase tends to last a long time. That's why swat team has a negotiator during hostage situation and direct confrontation is always the last resort.

That's apparently a concept Nik can't grasp.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DannyLove
maybe one day you'll be presented with this exact situation, according to your philosophy, you'll stand up against them...unless you're strapped yourself, you too will be on the side of the road dying and thinking to yourself, "god, i'm an idiot"

Nice. That response may just be a thread-ender :beer::beer:

Anyhow gentlemen, it's been fun but I'm off to work out...you know, just in case I'm hanging with Nik one day and he decides to attack some muggers

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: Nik
Ever heard of someone being mugged and killed when they DIDN'T put up a fight? It's nobody's fault for a shooting death but the guy holding the gun. If I try defending myself or others, it's not my fault if the attacker shoots and kills someone else. This may be hard for you to understand, but if I try taking down an attacker and he shoots and kills someone else in the process, do I get taken to court and charged with murder? No. I potentially saved the lives of everyone who *didn't* get killed who were involved.

I'm so very willing to take the chance to save those lives, even if it results in everyone being killed.

I will NOT take the chance that the wallet or purse is the only thing that will be taken. Yeah, people get robbed every day that get away without a scratch, but people also get robbed and killed even though they were completely cooperative and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to take that chance. It's better to act and fail then to never have acted at all, IMO.

every once in a while someone says something that pushes the envelope of human stupidity to a new level of excellence. for this I congratulate you. I also hope you're never around if I'm being mugged.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: DannyLove
maybe one day you'll be presented with this exact situation, according to your philosophy, you'll stand up against them...unless you're strapped yourself, you too will be on the side of the road dying and thinking to yourself, "god, i'm an idiot"

Nice. That response may just be a thread-ender :beer::beer:

Anyhow gentlemen, it's been fun but I'm off to work out...you know, just in case I'm hanging with Nik one day and he decides to attack some muggers

Have fun! I'm still working at the office so that I can easily let go $20 instead of being gun down

 

[McCarthy]

I want to agree with NIK to some degree. In this particular situation I can't. As infuriating as it is to get robbed the risk/reward ratio doesn't work out in the individual instance. If everyone fought back it may work out on a societal level, but that's hypothetical bar talk. Though maybe the example of the wild west and gunfights then (the frequency of which was very low in reality) is something to be learned from. Many muggings in old Dodge City were there?

If she was being raped, it's ok to step in then? Or bystanders still shouldn't because he might just rape her and let her live? See two people being mugged, one gets shot, ok to step in then or still not ok since your intervention may get the other person shot? You can play this game to ridiculous extremes. NIK may be wrong, but so are those who justify inaction without end.

Sad truth is most people won't do anything, no matter what the degree of violence they're witnessing. Many, most?, people won't even call the police for fear of getting involved or being embarressed for calling in something they're not sure about. We're all read those stories where someone's been beaten, raped or killed with a crowd standing around. Suburban Rambos aren't the answer, but if their talk shames sheepeople into some support of their fellow human being they've done a service to society.

2¢

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Ime

Originally posted by: RMSistight
Makes me want to carry around a gun because of situations like these. When I walk in the streets, I'm ALWAYS suspicious. I have a "TRUST NO ONE" attitude.

OK. So you have a gun.

You're confronted by 4 or 5 men with guns who want your gun and your wallet.

What are you going to do?

Now, mind you, I carry a gun, and am damn well trained with it (and other things)...but she erred. Rule is; first gun out calls the shots. Unless you can get into play first, and have GREAT position against that many, you hand the money over without comment. Then if you're really pi$$ed off, shoot em in the back of the heads as they leave.

 

[PrinceofWands]

As to the rest of the thread, I'm kind of in the middle of the sides here...if I have ANY chance of winning, I fight. Period. But I have a hell of a lot of training in order to make that decision quickly and accurately. Also if there is ANY chance it goes beyond simple robbery, I fight to the death no matter what. I will not allow a rape in my presence, nor allow someone else to be taken, or injured. I have no qualms about dying to stop such a thing. None.

 

[edfcmc]

This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

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Today: January 26, 2005 at 4:41:52 PST

Ga. Store Turns Into Site of Shootout
By ELIOTT C. McLAUGHLIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

ATLANTA (AP) - When two men walked into a popular country store
outside Atlanta, announced a holdup and fired a shot, owners Bobby
and Gloria Doster never hesitated. The pair pulled out their own
pistols and opened fire.

The armed suspect and his partner were killed. The Dosters won't be
charged, according to local officials, because they were acting in
self-defense.

"I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to
blow his brains out is what I was trying to do."

Shoats Grocery & Package near Crawford, 70 miles east of Atlanta, is
a well-known spot where locals stop for breakfast biscuits or lunch.
Gloria Doster said the two men who came there Monday had something
else in mind.

She was rearranging boxes of soda by the store's front door when a
man wearing a wig walked inside, the fake hair draped in front of his
face.

"I asked him, 'Can you see to walk?'" Doster said. Then she noticed a
second man behind him wearing a mask. He announced a holdup.

One man grabbed Gloria Doster and pushed her toward the register. She
said the other kept his gun on her 62-year-old husband, who also goes
by the name Shoats.

She tried to open the register, but one of the men told her she
wasn't moving fast enough and tried to shoot her husband. He missed -
and his gun jammed.

At that point, Bobby Doster pulled out a .380-caliber handgun and
shot one of the suspects. Gloria Doster then went for a 9 mm pistol
she keeps near the register.

"All hell broke loose," she said. "I was trying to shoot and dial 911
at the same time."

Both suspects took cover behind the store's meat counter as the
Dosters opened fire. Gloria Doster said she doesn't know how many
bullets were fired, or how many times the suspects were hit.

Police arrived about five minutes after receiving Gloria Doster's
call; the suspects died a short time later at a hospital.

The bloodshed, nevertheless, startled Gloria Doster, who has been
around guns all her life, and has used them for target shooting. "But
I never figured I'd have to use them on anybody," she said.

She said the worst thing that's happened in the seven years the
couple has owned the store was an after-hours break-in by teenagers
three years ago. The burglars were promptly arrested.

-----

Local hero

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
As to the rest of the thread, I'm kind of in the middle of the sides here...if I have ANY chance of winning, I fight. Period. But I have a hell of a lot of training in order to make that decision quickly and accurately. Also if there is ANY chance it goes beyond simple robbery, I fight to the death no matter what. I will not allow a rape in my presence, nor allow someone else to be taken, or injured. I have no qualms about dying to stop such a thing. None.

Rape or someone about to be killed is a different story.
I'm not gonna risk my life over my wallet though.

 

[edfcmc]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

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Hijack the thread? The thread had already been hijacked.


And the story you linked too would have been different if the elderly couple intervened with "hey stop! what are you going to do? Shoot me?"

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: werk
That's sad. Got to be careful around the LES. So many trendoids think it's completely safe...surprise...it's not.

Crap, this is like a wake up call to me. I've walked alone quite a few times from the 1st Ave sub station on 14th to 26th. Even worse, I've done it from Ave. A and 9th before a few times.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dayg
Sad story indeed. Her brave act didn't pay off.

It might not even have been bravery to her, some people (like me) just aren't very good at assessing dangerousness in other people.

the more i think about it, the more i think she was slightly intoxicated when she said something so unguarded... coming from a bar and all...

True and it shows that it could have happened to anybody. People say the craziest stuff when they are intoxicated. Heck, I have said some stupid stuff when I was intoxicated but luckily I was never in a situation where something I said cost my life.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
As to the rest of the thread, I'm kind of in the middle of the sides here...if I have ANY chance of winning, I fight. Period. But I have a hell of a lot of training in order to make that decision quickly and accurately. Also if there is ANY chance it goes beyond simple robbery, I fight to the death no matter what. I will not allow a rape in my presence, nor allow someone else to be taken, or injured. I have no qualms about dying to stop such a thing. None.

Rape or someone about to be killed is a different story.
I'm not gonna risk my life over my wallet though.

agreed. no one is saying they wouldnt try to stop bodily harm. i think we would all do that. the fault in niks logic was pointed out pages ago, but that interferes with him swingin' his ebadass epenis around, since hes a ninja, trained in 87 different fighting styles, and can stop bullets with his teeth.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

oh YEAH? for every 2 you post about people defending themselves from crime, I'll post 4 threads where Nik acts like an ass. we'll see who runs out of material first

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

oh YEAH? for every 2 you post about people defending themselves from crime, I'll post 4 threads where Nik acts like an ass. we'll see who runs out of material first

What would you ever do without me, Yoss. :beer: