actress shot dead in NY

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: TheBDB
So sad. What was she thinking???

No sh!t, not exactly the right time to be an e-badass.

When is the right time.

Excuse my rant for the moment. But people die every day. Lots of people. Putting one death over another because of who they are in hollywood is stupid. If any death should be on the news, it should be of heroes. This woman died because her purse meant more to her than her life. It may sound cruel, but I can't cry if someone goes down like that. You people make your darwin threads and laugh at those people, how is this any different? You can feel sorry for the fiance, but the woman... As was already said, she practically asked to be shot. Some people just don't get life.

She wasn't protecting her purse. She was protecting someone else's purse and she was doing what she thought was right.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

oh YEAH? for every 2 you post about people defending themselves from crime, I'll post 4 threads where Nik acts like an ass. we'll see who runs out of material first

K, I don't care who you are, that's funny.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: TheBDB
So sad. What was she thinking???

No sh!t, not exactly the right time to be an e-badass.

When is the right time.

Excuse my rant for the moment. But people die every day. Lots of people. Putting one death over another because of who they are in hollywood is stupid. If any death should be on the news, it should be of heroes. This woman died because her purse meant more to her than her life. It may sound cruel, but I can't cry if someone goes down like that. You people make your darwin threads and laugh at those people, how is this any different? You can feel sorry for the fiance, but the woman... As was already said, she practically asked to be shot. Some people just don't get life.

She wasn't protecting her purse. She was protecting someone else's purse and she was doing what she thought was right.

Doesn't matter. Trying to protect someones purse (or any other material possession) is not worth risking death over, no matter how you look at it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: TheBDB
So sad. What was she thinking???

No sh!t, not exactly the right time to be an e-badass.

When is the right time.

Excuse my rant for the moment. But people die every day. Lots of people. Putting one death over another because of who they are in hollywood is stupid. If any death should be on the news, it should be of heroes. This woman died because her purse meant more to her than her life. It may sound cruel, but I can't cry if someone goes down like that. You people make your darwin threads and laugh at those people, how is this any different? You can feel sorry for the fiance, but the woman... As was already said, she practically asked to be shot. Some people just don't get life.

She wasn't protecting her purse. She was protecting someone else's purse and she was doing what she thought was right.

Doesn't matter. Trying to protect someones purse (or any other material possession) is not worth risking death over, no matter how you look at it.

Actually there are very reasonable arguments for the sactity of material possessions (even I see it as an anti-materialist). I think what you should say is that 'as far as you're concerned' it isn't worth it, or 'it isn't worth it to you'. Don't try to establish values for others, you aren't that special.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: edfcmc
This poor guy was killed trying to stop an armed robber

Let's not hijack the thread...for every post you guys link about someone getting hurt trying to stop a crime, I'll link 2 about people successfully defending themselves from crime.

Actually, I think its a perfect demonstration that when guns are criminalized only criminals will have guns...with predictable and tragic results.

On the other hand....

Intruder shot by home owner

A whole slew of documented gun defense accounts

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Ninjja

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: rh71
they said on the news that she died right there in his arms... so sad.

its got to be one of the worst ways to lose someone, when it happens right in front of you and you're powerless to stop it.

I know

me too......

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: Hammer
its sad. i feel bad for her fiance too.

Link

Witnesses told investigators that one of the men grabbed for the other woman's purse and duFresne intervened, asking, "What are you going to do, shoot us?" A man then fired one shot at her, police said.

Girl: "What are you going to do, shoot us?"

Robber: "Nope just you for running your mouth"

Bang

 

[tami]

guns are bad

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: tami
guns are bad

People have been killing people since the dawn of time- guns have nothing to do with it. I hypothesize guns have led to less suffering and killing then more since the days of swords/maces etc. It's well known that vast superiority on the battlefield by one side minimizes casualties- to a greater extent then before guns allow this. If you took away every firearm and piece of ordanance on the planet America probably wouldn't exist as we would be taken over by a country with vastly superior numbers aka China.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: tami
guns are bad

Do you have ANY idea how ignorant of a statement that is?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Why am I thinking of the movie "Mississippi Burning" while reading this thread?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: tami
The psychopath criminals behind the stolen, unregistered guns are bad

Fixed

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: tami
guns are bad

and we all know that the gun in this case was bought legally

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I note this woman was from Wayzata, MN, an affluent suburb, and I can't help but wonder whether anyone from a large city would have been so stupid. She knew the robbers had at least one gun (he had pistol-whipped her boyfriend), and yet she challenged their masculinity by daring them to shoot her. She didn't deserve to die, but this was an exceptionally stupid choice on her part, and one that probably cost her her life.

Any obese e-badass who argues she was honoring her "ethical obligation to resist" is living in a fantasy world. Her form of "resistance" did exactly nothing to deter these men - all she did was put the shooter in a situation where he would lose face before his scumbag friends if he DIDN'T shoot her. Resisting an armed robber is sheer stupidity. I've been robbed at knifepoint by a crackhead in NYC, and resistance would have meant, at a minimum, grievous bodily harm to me - I'd rather just give up my wallet, thanks very much.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik
I'm so very willing to take the chance to save those lives, even if it results in everyone being killed.

wow. there are some selfish people on this board, but you take the cake. i always know you were an idiot, but after reading this thread, i think that's a little generous. do you know why SWAT teams always try to use a negoiator first? because even though they are highly trained teams, they still can't guarantee they will be able to save everyone in a hostage situation. they only use direct force as a last resort. they know the best way to get everyone out alive is negotiation. but you're stupid e-badass self doesn't get it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I note this woman was from Wayzata, MN, an affluent suburb, and I can't help but wonder whether anyone from a large city would have been so stupid. She knew the robbers had at least one gun (he had pistol-whipped her boyfriend), and yet she challenged their masculinity by daring them to shoot her. She didn't deserve to die, but this was an exceptionally stupid choice on her part, and one that probably cost her her life.

Any obese e-badass who argues she was honoring her "ethical obligation to resist" is living in a fantasy world. Her form of "resistance" did exactly nothing to deter these men - all she did was put the shooter in a situation where he would lose face before his scumbag friends if he DIDN'T shoot her. Resisting an armed robber is sheer stupidity. I've been robbed at knifepoint by a crackhead in NYC, and resistance would have meant, at a minimum, grievous bodily harm to me - I'd rather just give up my wallet, thanks very much.

You're confusing personal choice with factual presentation though. Yes, she acted incorrectly, but not because of the psychological state of the attacker. She acted wrongly because she was in no position to win the fight. You talk about being robbed at knifepoint. Ok, again, if someone is within striking distance to you and has a weapon already in play, you aren't in a position to win, so you cooperate. If you can safely maneuver a position in which you have a chance (ie throw the wallet forcing the criminal to retreat a safe distance so you can get your gun in play and shoot him), then the situation changes somewhat. Of course, you, as an individual, always have the right to allow yourself to be a victim of crime. I won't ever tell you otherwise. As long as no one tells me that I'm required to do the same.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


You're confusing personal choice with factual presentation though. Yes, she acted incorrectly, but not because of the psychological state of the attacker. She acted wrongly because she was in no position to win the fight. You talk about being robbed at knifepoint. Ok, again, if someone is within striking distance to you and has a weapon already in play, you aren't in a position to win, so you cooperate. If you can safely maneuver a position in which you have a chance (ie throw the wallet forcing the criminal to retreat a safe distance so you can get your gun in play and shoot him), then the situation changes somewhat. Of course, you, as an individual, always have the right to allow yourself to be a victim of crime. I won't ever tell you otherwise. As long as no one tells me that I'm required to do the same.

And you, in turn, have the right to lose your life instead of your wallet. Suit yourself, I guess. You also have the right to assume that, in practice, your own physical acuity and level-headedness are so boundless that you will prevail against an armed professional criminal, and perhaps you're right. I doubt it, however.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


You're confusing personal choice with factual presentation though. Yes, she acted incorrectly, but not because of the psychological state of the attacker. She acted wrongly because she was in no position to win the fight. You talk about being robbed at knifepoint. Ok, again, if someone is within striking distance to you and has a weapon already in play, you aren't in a position to win, so you cooperate. If you can safely maneuver a position in which you have a chance (ie throw the wallet forcing the criminal to retreat a safe distance so you can get your gun in play and shoot him), then the situation changes somewhat. Of course, you, as an individual, always have the right to allow yourself to be a victim of crime. I won't ever tell you otherwise. As long as no one tells me that I'm required to do the same.

And you, in turn, have the right to lose your life instead of your wallet. Suit yourself, I guess. You also have the right to assume that, in practice, your own physical acuity and level-headedness are so boundless that you will prevail against an armed professional criminal, and perhaps you're right. I doubt it, however.

'professional criminal'. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

I've been dealing with criminals for 10 years, they're hardly that professional. I've been in MANY such situations, both in private life and while on the job, so far I've had no problems. That's the benefit of actual professional training and dedication...it's rather more effective than the mindless drive created by the need for another drug fix.

You are correct that some day I might not win one, but my hope is that my training will allow me to see when that day has come and change my reactions accordingly.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
So sad. What was she thinking???

She was a fool. Bold, but a fool none the less.

 

[DBL]

....caught the bastard

NY Times

 

[Hammer]

the perp that shot her has been arrested

Link

oh and nik will love this part:

Earlier, the group tried to rob a man at gunpoint, but he fought off the attackers, police said.

 

[skyking]

With all this tough talk, I like the victim, could keep my mouth shut

Seriously, if you plan on clubbing or going into strange places, you need a designated driver and "sharp one".

Those criminals are looking for sheep, folks who are so self absorbed they can walk up to them unobserved, uncontested, un-dealt with.

Do you think they could have gotten that close to the street-wise? No way. They would have had to camp right in front of the club door, and they will avoid a public place like that for their business.

You make an aggreement to listen to your "sharp one", and do what he/she says. No questions.

Those victims either walked right into that trouble, or stood still and let it walk right up to them. The sharpie would have moved them away like mercury down a slope, and the criminals would look elsewhere. They don't like messing with the sharp ones, and not because they are tough. It is because there are plenty of the sheep out there, so why take your chances that they ARE packing or tough? They did spot you and your intentions right off, so the game is up.

If you are in the habit of getting totally polluted while out of town, do it in the hotel lounge, please. I had a friend who got blitzed around some strangers, and woke up on the left shoulder of the interstate! Talk about blind luck................

 

[captains]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Hammer
its sad. i feel bad for her fiance too.

Link

Witnesses told investigators that one of the men grabbed for the other woman's purse and duFresne intervened, asking, "What are you going to do, shoot us?" A man then fired one shot at her, police said.

"GodDAMN awesome dude!"

?

 

[Anonemous]

Still like the NYPOST version of the story


Seems she gave the money and they still shot her afterwards.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Anonemous
Still like the NYPOST version of the story


Seems she gave the money and they still shot her afterwards.

The NYPost is a very sensational newspaper.