Given that the 4090 is apparently 126 SMs, there's room for a less cut model that could be used for the 4090 Ti.
That has to be a guess. I he doesn't know whether it is going to be produced, he certainly can't know whether it will be marketed as a 4090 Ti or as a Titan.
Rumor that the 4060 will use more power than the 3070 (which stock is 220 W). I am skeptical that nVidia would have finalized it so far away from release. Also AD106 only has 36 SMs so for 220 it better be clocked like over 3 Ghz.
Since there's supposedly a 103 die, there's a chance that the 4060 uses a cut down 104 die this time around. That would square with this rumor a bit better at least. The xx60 part has traditionally used the third largest die, this time it's just a 104 die instead of a 106 as it typically would be.
The 3080 was excellent value compared to 2080 at launch with MSRP prices, unfortunately it was impossible to find one. :/Nvidia makes sure you get less for your money every generation.
The 3080 was excellent value compared to 2080 at launch with MSRP prices, unfortunately it was impossible to find one. :/
If it had actually worked, it would have been a win for the consumer. Competition is good, and for that reason alone I would really like Intel to get their act together.Even without mining, that was a fake price intended to squeeze AMD. No squeezing this gen.
I think the choice of using SS8 had a lot to do with being able to squeeze the price they did. With Lovelace on a comparable node as RDNA3, the costs are probably also comparable excluding any kind of advanced packaging.Even without mining, that was a fake price intended to squeeze AMD. No squeezing this gen.
There's your problem right there.some youtube dude
There's your problem right there.
But on a serious note, 2xxx/Turing basically kept the price for the same performance level as 1xxx and added the 2080Ti performance tier. DLSS/RT wasn't a useful feature until 1-2 years later. NVidia could get away with it in 2018.
2022 is different, not only is NVidia making a huge jump from Samsung 8 to TSMC 5, but AMD 6xxx was very competitive and there is a 7xxx generation coming. With crypto being less of a factor, a theoretical 4070 will definitely be cheaper than a 3080 if they match in performance.
You might end up not being far off with regards to pricing, but that depends on NVidia being really brazen and counting on (or knowing) that AMD will be late and/or underperform. I've seen so many stupid takes by clickbaiters on YT who are just doing what we're doing here but want to get paid for it. I'm beyond being surprised by pricing or company behavior, but there are definitely market trends and node advances pointing to price/performance improvements, and only a worsening chip crisis will 100% negate that (not likely IMO).
I think you're optimistic. Nvidia and AMD have a finite quantity of N5 GPUs they can make. They will price higher than last generation, except maybe the 4090 which last gen was so absurd they needn't increase it further.Gentleman's bet. Prices stagnant at worst for next gen. Margins are important, but unit sales more so. It's not the wealthy enthusiast that drives sales, but those on the margin and everyone is moving down a tier economically. Dream all you want, but credit has limits.
My impression was that Nvidia paid $ billions up front to TSMC to get a larger slice of the N5 pie than they had with SS N8 to avoid the sort of shortages they had with Ampere. With mining almost out of the picture and a potential flood of used Ampere cards that may show up on ebay, they may have a hard time moving their new cards in the sort of volumes they would like.Nvidia and AMD have a finite quantity of N5 GPUs they can make.
My impression was that Nvidia paid $ billions up front to TSMC to get a larger slice of the N5 pie than they had with SS N8 to avoid the sort of shortages they had with Ampere.
Doesnt change the point. Let me repeat: with mining almost out of the picture this time around, and much more supply this time around, things look vastly different.The shortages with Ampere was entirely mining driven. There's no amount of cards they could have made to satisfy the demand. It was effectively unlimited.
You are talking about the biggest gen-on-gen increase in the company's history.
Doesnt change the point. Let me repeat: with mining almost out of the picture this time around, and much more supply this time around, things look vastly different.
Nvidia reportedly spent $10 billion for a chunk of TSMC's 5nm manufacturing capacity
Back in November 2021, the rumor mill was abuzz with hints that Nvidia was planning to use TSMC's 5nm process node for its upcoming GeForce RTX 4000...www.techspot.com
For some reason, this point keeps getting ignored. Nvidia has to sell a lot of cards to recover the investment. Margins sound nice but you need total sales quantities. I find the assumption that there is unlimited demand for high priced cards a fantasy ignoring disposable incomes. Sometimes its difficult to see trends clearly when inside a situation. People worldwide are and going to be getting effectively poorer. Prices at the margin will determine the trend, and for now, it's heading down. Things have fundamentally changed. Many project a trend beyond where it makes sense, then they start all over again with the new one.My impression was that Nvidia paid $ billions up front to TSMC to get a larger slice of the N5 pie than they had with SS N8 to avoid the sort of shortages they had with Ampere. With mining almost out of the picture and a potential flood of used Ampere cards that may show up on ebay, they may have a hard time moving their new cards in the sort of volumes they would like.
Pretty sure pent up demand will be a big factor for first few weeks after launch. But other potentials mentioned (drastically reduced mining demand, flood of used cards when the ETH merge occurs), increased supply that cannot move in volume at high prices, and we may have a healthy buyers market for GPUs. OTOH, supply chain issues may still be a problem as well as other unknowns.I'm sure that includes Hopper & Grace. Maybe some other products too.
And I also bet there's a lot of people out there who gave up trying to get a card and decided to wait.
For some reason, this point keeps getting ignored. Nvidia has to sell a lot of cards to recover the investment. Margins sound nice but you need total sales quantities.