Adult ADHD

[Nik]

LOL @ all the losers in this thread that have a fake disease.

You DONT have ADD. REAL add is extremely rare.

If you can sit though a film, you dont have ADD.

I'd much rather accept a medical professional's opinion that you are incorrect than some no-credentials-name on the internet.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

I'd much rather accept a medical professional's opinion that you are incorrect than some no-credentials-name on the internet.

No shit. I can't give out prescriptions to adderall, which is what most ADD 'suffers' are about.

Edit - adrenal, LOL. Stupid spell check.

 

[eits]

LOL @ all the losers in this thread that have a fake disease.

You DONT have ADD. REAL add is extremely rare.

If you can sit though a film, you dont have ADD.

that's pretty much the most ridiculous thing i've heard all day.

 

[eits]

No shit. I can't give out prescriptions to adrenal, which is what most ADD 'suffers' are about.

adrenal? you mean the gland?

 

[TheVrolok]

LOL @ all the losers in this thread that have a fake disease.

While I think this guy ^^ is an idiot/troll; I do have to admit that adult ADHD seems to be one of the new "crazes." Or, perhaps, "excuses" for certain types of behavior.

I'd have to honestly say that according to the DSM, I fit many, many of the criteria, however, I think many people fit many of these criteria because, well, they're extremely broad. For example:

Does not follow through or finish instructions, homework, chores, or duties (not because of oppositional behavior or failure to understand)

Avoids tasks that require sustained mental effort, e.g. housework

Are those really indicative of a medical condition? Maybe people just don't like doing fucking housework? I understand that people argue it's not when you meet some of these criteria, it's when you meet "many" of them. Well, it's still pretty vague. Prevalence of ADHD in the US is 2-4% of adults, even at the high end, that's a fairly slim number.

 

[StrangerGuy]

adrenal? you mean the gland?

LOL @ armchair "doctors" who can't even spell Adderall, let alone a long word like "amphetamine".

 

[TheVrolok]

LOL @ armchair "doctors" who can't even spell Adderall, let alone a long word like "amphetamine".

Has anyone figured out what his other account is?

 

[Iron Woode]

LOL @ all the losers in this thread that have a fake disease.

You DONT have ADD. REAL add is extremely rare.

If you can sit though a film, you dont have ADD.

congratulations Doctor Jackwagon. Do you have any other pearls of medical wisdom to impart to us?

 

[destrekor]

if you actually do have add, avoid stratera. that shit's horrible. it made me fall asleep in class every single day i took it, i got extremely nauseous and dizzy, and when i drove home, i almost passed out... all from this drug that doesn't help for people with real add.

there are people that actually have it and then there are people with symptoms of it. stratera probably helps people that have symptoms of it, but definitely not those who actually have it.

either way, i've tried everything and the only drug that helped me was concerta... but the effects of it wore off after a couple years. i found vibration therapy and biofeedback therapies to be the best. no side-effects and better results.

To be fair, you can't just make blanket statements for an ADD medication you have taken.
ADD - like clinical depression - isn't simply based on an On or Off switch in the brain, where the medication works to correct that failed switch, and does so the same way for every individual.
In fact, quite the opposite is true, as every individual has a different chemical imbalance. In reality, these chemical imbalances are hardly "wrong", each creature in nature is going to be a little different, neurotransmitter levels will vary across the board in different ways. Hell, the physiology of the brain varies all over. Then again, this could be thanks to hundreds of thousands of years of swapping genetics with relatives.

Each case of ADD could present fairly similarly, but might be induced due to a different ratio of NTs, one group too high, one group lower than normal, etc etc etc.

The majority of ADD medications work on the method of increasing norepinephrine (predominantly), and maybe a few others. At least, the medications that are based on stimulants take that route - I'm not super familiar with the chemical activity of the non-stimulant meds.
I know a few people with ADD who had a prescription for Adderall (amphetamine-class) - one person got super hyper with it, and one person got crazy lethargic and he said he hated the way it made him feel.
In truth, they are stimulants but for the people it actually works on, it makes them calm, it kind of slows them down.

Not everyone has consistent ADD, because diet can come into play (diet does indeed impact NT levels), and a few other lifestyle choices will also impact chemical levels. And for those who have a genetic coding for the range of abnormal NT levels that can cause ADD, each person basically needs to try both a stimulant and non-stimulant medication, and maybe from there a more specific approach in each class.

 

[MarkXIX]

Are those really indicative of a medical condition? Maybe people just don't like doing fucking housework? I understand that people argue it's not when you meet some of these criteria, it's when you meet "many" of them. Well, it's still pretty vague. Prevalence of ADHD in the US is 2-4% of adults, even at the high end, that's a fairly slim number.

I completely agree. Shit, I feel those things all the time at work and home, mostly because I have too fucking much going on in my life.

I have a full-time job that takes up about 10 hours of each day, a wife and three kids ranging from ages ten down to two, I command an Army Reserve unit, and am currently taking 15 credit hours at college.

I may be crazy, but I don't fucking have ADD, just too much shit to remember and manage in a day.

Now, my daughter has ADHD. She was diagnosed by a child therapist, her teacher, principal, and pediatrician all participated in the assessment and agreed. We collectively came to the decision because she literally could not sit and watch a movie for even 90 minutes. She could go to the bathroom to brush her teeth and never accomplish the task because the lights and noises of the bathroom were distractions.

Once she was put on Adderall XR, she became a fully functional child. Make no mistake, my wife and I tried everything before we came to the decision. We tried talking, we tried education, we tried repetition, we tried scheduling, we tried corporal punishment, we tried deprivation, we tried everything and nothing worked. Once she was diagnosed and put on medication, she became functional as a child. Her standardized testing scores literally went from 45th percentile to 89th percentile between winter and spring of her third grade year after she was put on Adderall XR.

So, I know ADHD and let me tell you, most of you are people who expect that your life should be easy and/or are trying to score some amphetamines legally and you're sacks of shit for being both weak and having high expectations of having a simplistic, easy life in a tough world.

 

[eits]

While I think this guy ^^ is an idiot/troll; I do have to admit that adult ADHD seems to be one of the new "crazes." Or, perhaps, "excuses" for certain types of behavior.

I'd have to honestly say that according to the DSM, I fit many, many of the criteria, however, I think many people fit many of these criteria because, well, they're extremely broad. For example:



Are those really indicative of a medical condition? Maybe people just don't like doing fucking housework? I understand that people argue it's not when you meet some of these criteria, it's when you meet "many" of them. Well, it's still pretty vague. Prevalence of ADHD in the US is 2-4% of adults, even at the high end, that's a fairly slim number.

you can thank big pharma for that.

 

[eits]

To be fair, you can't just make blanket statements for an ADD medication you have taken.
ADD - like clinical depression - isn't simply based on an On or Off switch in the brain, where the medication works to correct that failed switch, and does so the same way for every individual.
In fact, quite the opposite is true, as every individual has a different chemical imbalance. In reality, these chemical imbalances are hardly "wrong", each creature in nature is going to be a little different, neurotransmitter levels will vary across the board in different ways. Hell, the physiology of the brain varies all over. Then again, this could be thanks to hundreds of thousands of years of swapping genetics with relatives.

Each case of ADD could present fairly similarly, but might be induced due to a different ratio of NTs, one group too high, one group lower than normal, etc etc etc.

The majority of ADD medications work on the method of increasing norepinephrine (predominantly), and maybe a few others. At least, the medications that are based on stimulants take that route - I'm not super familiar with the chemical activity of the non-stimulant meds.
I know a few people with ADD who had a prescription for Adderall (amphetamine-class) - one person got super hyper with it, and one person got crazy lethargic and he said he hated the way it made him feel.
In truth, they are stimulants but for the people it actually works on, it makes them calm, it kind of slows them down.

Not everyone has consistent ADD, because diet can come into play (diet does indeed impact NT levels), and a few other lifestyle choices will also impact chemical levels. And for those who have a genetic coding for the range of abnormal NT levels that can cause ADD, each person basically needs to try both a stimulant and non-stimulant medication, and maybe from there a more specific approach in each class.

according to the specialists i've talked to, strattera is a joke of a medication for people who actually do have add. it's a piss poor drug.

also, add isn't about "chemical imbalances" as much as it has to do with neuroanatomical asymmetries.

my gf's daughter was exhibiting adhd symptoms. i started adjusting her and she made a 180 difference. did she have adhd? no. her brain was relaying signals to her growing body to keep doing something for stimulation so her nervous system can develop normally. there were various fixations in her spine, i believe, that weren't allowing the proper neurological signals to relay between the brain and body properly, causing her adhd symptoms. now, she's 100% better (she went from being put in a remedial reading group, standing up to eat dinner, bouncing around, talking during class, always forgetting, etc. to remembering way more things, sitting down to eat, not needing nearly as much stimulation, paying attention in class, and being in the top reading group in her class in only a month). does that mean that i think that all adhd can be treated by chiropractic care? absolutely not. i think many cases can be treated by it, though. however, for those who actually really do have add/adhd, your only options are alternative methods of treatment or medication.

i've done both the alternative methods as well as the medication route. i found the alternative methods (vibration therapy and biofeedback) were way way better than the meds (i've tried ritalin, imipramine, placebo, adderall, strattera, concerta, adderall xr, and dexadrine... not in that order). i still have add and struggle with it all the time (as does my gf), but it's a lot better than it was.

 

[plumbob]

My cousin has that. It's not really harmful or what. Just a simple diagnostic that your friend is abnormal and you should be more patient coz if you don't then you're re-Tarded that him.

 

[zinfamous]

I probably have it.

Hell, I'm posting here aren't I? instead of sleeping?

 

[TheVrolok]

you can thank big pharma for that.

Agreed 100%. They gotta make a profit somehow, eh? Might as well make the common man so paranoid and easily self-diagnosing that he wants nothing BUT to run out and pays for <insert drug here> to alleviate <insert problem here>.

 

[eits]

Agreed 100&#37;. They gotta make a profit somehow, eh? Might as well make the common man so paranoid and easily self-diagnosing that he wants nothing BUT to run out and pays for <insert drug here> to alleviate <insert problem here>.

i feel that's a big part of why alternative care doesn't nearly get the funding it deserves for real research because all the money goes towards big pharma creating new diseases to put in the dsm in order to create a new drug to sell to the unsuspecting masses.

 

[TheVrolok]

i feel that's a big par of why alternative care doesn't nearly get the funding it deserves for real research because all the money goes towards big pharma creating new diseases to put in the dsm in order to create a new drug to sell to the unsuspecting masses.

Again, we agree 100%.

... during 2004, which shows the U.S. pharmaceutical industry spent 24.4% of the sales dollar on promotion, versus 13.4% for research and development ...

Surprise surprise, big pharma spends double their R&D budget on promotion. If only Americans weren't so instant fix/pill hungry maybe we could shift a lot more money (and insurance reimbursement) toward alternative medicine. But oh well.

 

[Miramonti]

I can often have huge difficulties focusing, sometimes I'd swear it seems nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day.

I don't give a fvck what people want or don't want to call it, big pharma didn't create this issue.

 

[eits]

I can often have huge difficulties focusing, sometimes I'd swear it seems nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day.

I don't give a fvck what people want or don't want to call it, big pharma didn't create this issue.

lol ok

 

[TheVrolok]

I can often have huge difficulties focusing, sometimes I'd swear it seems nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day.

I don't give a fvck what people want or don't want to call it, big pharma didn't create this issue.

It's nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day? No kidding ... Normal uneventful days are fucking dull, when things are dull, it's difficult to stay on task .. that's not a medical condition, it's a fact of life.

In a similar vein, beginning at 30s see: http://www.hulu.com/watch/169534/louie-pta-meeting

 

[eits]

It's nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day? No kidding ... Normal uneventful days are fucking dull, when things are dull, it's difficult to stay on task .. that's not a medical condition, it's a fact of life.

In a similar vein, beginning at 30s see: http://www.hulu.com/watch/169534/louie-pta-meeting

lol i love louis ck

a few things popped into my head as i was watching that clip:
- the kids are fatigued after their lunches because they're not eating right and their insulin level increases, making them more tired
- i'm glad no one brought up chronic fatigue syndrome, which is likely to be viral in etiology
- school sucks, but the teacher was right in trying to introduce more physical activity
- i miss 'lucky louie'

 

[TheVrolok]

lol i love louis ck

a few things popped into my head as i was watching that clip:
- the kids are fatigued after their lunches because they're not eating right and their insulin level increases, making them more tired
- i'm glad no one brought up chronic fatigue syndrome, which is likely to be viral in etiology
- school sucks, but the teacher was right in trying to introduce more physical activity
- i miss 'lucky louie'

I'm surprised no one brought up the lunch issue, but yeah, to me, the clip is really just pointing out that our society has gotten so obsessed with over analyzing/labeling problems that have been commonplace for all of existence that we ignore the completely obvious - in this case, school sucks.

 

[Miramonti]

It's nearly impossible to stay on topic during a normal uneventful day? No kidding ... Normal uneventful days are fucking dull, when things are dull, it's difficult to stay on task .. that's not a medical condition, it's a fact of life.

In a similar vein, beginning at 30s see: http://www.hulu.com/watch/169534/louie-pta-meeting

Thanks for defining what life is. Holy crap life is so simple now.

How many shoes do you walk in again, while trolling the inner perimeter of that bubble you live in?...

Regarding hulu, there is some legitimacy to the point the skit makes. But referring to it risks confusing sensibility with a myopic pinhead perspective, which is more on topic to your response.

 

[TheVrolok]

Thanks for defining what life is. Holy crap life is so simple now.

How many shoes do you walk in again, while trolling the inner perimeter of that bubble you live in?...

Regarding hulu, there is some legitimacy to the point the skit makes. But referring to it risks confusing sensibility with a myopic pinhead perspective.

I can see why you may have issues. Fortunately, all you need to do is head over to a clinic and get some pills, no worries friend.

 

[Miramonti]

I can see why you may have issues.

I see what you did there.