Ahmedinejad wins in a landslide

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Patranus
Obama: It's up to Iran to determine own leaders

Gotta love this guy. Way to show support to those who believe in freedom around the world. I guess appeasing every two-bit dictator around the world is more important.

That's the smart thing to say.
If no revolution happens then Iran will be pissed off at Obama and they won't sit with the U.S to talk.

So you are doing exactly what they did in Iraq after the first Iraq war. Say that you support "freedom" in the country, encourage the people, and then when the people rise up, don't support them and allow them to get CRUSHED by the government.

So you have flip flopped on backing the Iranian protesters? :thumbsdown:

Obama has to toe a delicate line in this situation. The last thing the US wants is to appear like a heavy handed power imposing its will on Iran. That could unify the people, or a large enough percentage of moderates and conservatives, to coalesce around Ahmadinejad.

If the street protests are providing pressure on the Iranian government, it's best to let them play out. If the government cracks down or finalizes the sham election, then Obama should speak out harshly.

Obama should only speak out against the violence (which he wisely did), if he started meddling in Iran's politics, then the Iranian leadership would be able to pivot and portray Mousavi as an American lackey.

 

[bamacre]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8102400.stm

BBC reports there will be a recount of the votes.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8102400.stm

BBC reports there will be a recount of the votes.

Considering it's the same guys who counted the first one, it's akin to having a wolf count the chickens.

 

[Ricochet]

Some hi-res photos

 

[Ichigo]

HuffPo's liveblog mentions how the crackdown on foreign media has begun. Journalists will be arrested if they are seen on the street with the protesters and may only monitor official (government) media outlets.

Awesome.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8102400.stm

BBC reports there will be a recount of the votes.

Unfortunately all that will result from that is that the margin of the win will change to something like +3% more.

I wish the people luck, but until someone puts down that nut in control, they are not going to get what they want.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
HuffPo's liveblog mentions how the crackdown on foreign media has begun. Journalists will be arrested if they are seen on the street with the protesters and may only monitor official (government) media outlets.

Awesome.

Yeah, they shut down net access a couple hours ago.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Ichigo
HuffPo's liveblog mentions how the crackdown on foreign media has begun. Journalists will be arrested if they are seen on the street with the protesters and may only monitor official (government) media outlets.

Awesome.

Yeah, they shut down net access a couple hours ago.

DOWN WITH THE IRAN GOVERNMENT!

 

[jonks]

You people need to sit back and listen to the braintrust that is Fox & Friends.

http://gawker.com/5292562/fox-...he-iran-election-thing

Read the copy, it's precious.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: jonks
You people need to sit back and listen to the braintrust that is Fox & Friends.

http://gawker.com/5292562/fox-...he-iran-election-thing

Read the copy, it's precious.

It's almost like they're playing to the lowest common denominator

 

[bamacre]

From what I gather, there are more people out today than yesterday.

Calls for a recount had been denounced almost as soon as they were announced.

More assaults at college dorms, many arrested, some killed. But some info here doesn't seem to be confirmed.

I heard police and Basij were attacking people carrying phones and/or laptops. The Iranian gov't seems to be trying to do a better job of suppressing info.

Lots of fighting in Azadi Square, which seems to be confirmed by footage uploaded to Youtube.

 

[Thump553]

What really surprises me is Ahmedinejad is in Russia today for a conference. He even gave a speech which didn't mention the turmoil back home.

he must be either really confident or really stupid, or both. Rule #1 for autocrats is don't leave the country when there is substantial turmoil-or you might lose it all. The Shah learned that in Iran (in his favor, he was dying of cancer at the time and left to seek medical treatment).

From the little I have read about Iranian election procedure, there is next to no election oversight. Not even the opposition parties have any oversight over the voting process, ballot collection and voting. To paraphrase Stalin, let them have all the elections they want so long as you count the ballots. Under such a system, a recount is as fraudlent as the original vote.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Thump553
What really surprises me is Ahmedinejad is in Russia today for a conference. He even gave a speech which didn't mention the turmoil back home.

he must be either really confident or really stupid, or both. Rule #1 for autocrats is don't leave the country when there is substantial turmoil-or you might lose it all. The Shah learned that in Iran (in his favor, he was dying of cancer at the time and left to seek medical treatment).

From the little I have read about Iranian election procedure, there is next to no election oversight. Not even the opposition parties have any oversight over the voting process, ballot collection and voting. To paraphrase Stalin, let them have all the elections they want so long as you count the ballots. Under such a system, a recount is as fraudlent as the original vote.

It's difficult to connect Ahmadinejad to the violence if he's out of the country.

 

[bamacre]

Footage of attacks at Basij compound in Tehran (caution: graphic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4vqWamoQgM

 

[Aimster]

Its a shame owning a gun in Iran is against the law.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jonks
You people need to sit back and listen to the braintrust that is Fox & Friends.

http://gawker.com/5292562/fox-...he-iran-election-thing

Read the copy, it's precious.

I'm not gonna lie, I actually like Fox News (sans Hannity and whatshisface). I prefer to watch news that's overly critical rather than overly sycophantic... that said, Fox and Friends is just like wow.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jonks
You people need to sit back and listen to the braintrust that is Fox & Friends.

http://gawker.com/5292562/fox-...he-iran-election-thing

Read the copy, it's precious.

I'm not gonna lie, I actually like Fox News (sans Hannity and whatshisface). I prefer to watch news that's overly critical rather than overly sycophantic... that said, Fox and Friends is just like wow.

The "Fox & Friends" show is horrible, the people clueless. I don't why anybody would watch that.

Fern

 

[CaptnKirk]

Not sure how many posting participants on this forum were around for the last student revolution near the end of Jimmy Carter's first term, in 1979.

That was 30 years ago, and it started in volume demonstrations against the Shah's regime, which was notoriously USA friendly.
Then they took American diplomatic workers for hostages for well over a year.

The entire monacrhy structure of Iran's rule disintegrated, and the Ayatolla Kolmeni
ruled with an iron fist,
setting up a puppet rule as a 'Display Democracy'.

The alleged 'Winner' was anounced only3 hours after the polls closed.
ALL PAPER BALLOTS !
There is no way that all the ballots could have been counted and verified in that amount of time.

It's entirely possible that Armedijan did win the election, but not by the 65% - 35% margin.
It may have been 55% -45%,, but once you bulllshit the public, all trust is lost.
The 'Elected President' knows it, the Theocracy knows it, but the seed of government trust is gone.

This may become an expanding collapse of the fraudlent government and bring down Iran's leadership.
The student revolution is repeating, now if they just don't take US hostages.

Could have worked out different last time too.

 

[sunzt]

Letter of REAL election results to Khameni

I've seen this letter posted a few times on CNN's iReport and IF it's legit, then Mousavi won and Amadinejad got 3rd.........

Shit is gonna hit the fan.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: sunzt
Letter of REAL election results to Khameni

I've seen this letter posted a few times on CNN's iReport and IF it's legit, then Mousavi won and Amadinejad got 3rd.........

Shit is gonna hit the fan.

if it was real, wouldn't it be all over the news?

 

[Aimster]

There is one problem..

In 1979 everyone hated the Shah. Only a select few were loyal to him. Shah was too pro-U.S and cared more about the U.S than the Iranians. Even the govt. workers went on strike. His own military didn't take orders from his regime to stop protesters and they let them burn Tehran. Members of the Shah's own cabinet turned their backs on him. Now not all of them wanted what Iran is today, but the literacy rate in Iran during that time was like 49%. Should have invested in some schools rather than F-14s and future F-16.

today.. millions of Iranians are loyal to this regime. There are a lot of backward twisted stupid trash Iranians who are psycho in the head because of a religion. They cry over the prophet muhammad's death.. wackos.

Good luck getting rid of that minority. They will bite back and they will not be afraid because 'Allah' will guide them in this life and the next.

 

[sunzt]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: sunzt
Letter of REAL election results to Khameni

I've seen this letter posted a few times on CNN's iReport and IF it's legit, then Mousavi won and Amadinejad got 3rd.........

Shit is gonna hit the fan.

if it was real, wouldn't it be all over the news?

I would imagine it would be very hard to confirm the validity so it's unconfirmable.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Its a shame owning a gun in Iran is against the law.

From what I am hearing, the military has stayed out of it. The fighting seems to be mostly with the Basiji.

What you say is interesting because I wonder how this would be playing out if Iranians were allowed to keep arms. On one hand, they are trying to protest as peacefully as possible. But on the other, that is difficult to do with the Basiji, at times, openly shooting protesters.

Originally posted by: sunzt

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: sunzt
Letter of REAL election results to Khameni

I've seen this letter posted a few times on CNN's iReport and IF it's legit, then Mousavi won and Amadinejad got 3rd.........

Shit is gonna hit the fan.

if it was real, wouldn't it be all over the news?

I would imagine it would be very hard to confirm the validity so it's unconfirmable.

At this point in time, I'd say any results of that election are now irrelevant.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Patranus
Obama: It's up to Iran to determine own leaders

Gotta love this guy. Way to show support to those who believe in freedom around the world. I guess appeasing every two-bit dictator around the world is more important.

That's the smart thing to say.
If no revolution happens then Iran will be pissed off at Obama and they won't sit with the U.S to talk.

So you are doing exactly what they did in Iraq after the first Iraq war. Say that you support "freedom" in the country, encourage the people, and then when the people rise up, don't support them and allow them to get CRUSHED by the government.

wow.

 

[libs0n]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The alleged 'Winner' was anounced only3 hours after the polls closed.
ALL PAPER BALLOTS !
There is no way that all the ballots could have been counted and verified in that amount of time.

It's entirely possible that Armedijan did win the election, but not by the 65% - 35% margin.
It may have been 55% -45%,, but once you bulllshit the public, all trust is lost.
The 'Elected President' knows it, the Theocracy knows it, but the seed of government trust is gone.

In Canada we have paper ballots, and results are largely in in that sort of time frame. Sometimes the votes have been counted, and sometimes even the election decided, before polls had even closed on the Western parts of the country.

What matters is that there are adequate amount of counters to ensure timely delivery of their results. I was up late that night, and I would like to provide some of my recollections. Polls were extended because of turnout in certain places. Precincts that were not extended could have counted and delivered their results during that period. The first results were not the complete results. The election was called in Ahmadinejad's favour due to projection of the vote already in.

Your belief that Ahmadinejad could have won the election, but not by the margin given, is but an assumption of your part, based upon your own peculiarities of thought; your feelings on the matter if you will. It is not founded in absolute fact. From what I have gathered over the past few days, to me, a win by Ahmadinejad by that margin is perfectly plausible.