Ahmedinejad wins in a landslide

[nageov3t]

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.c...s-election-results/?hp seems to heavily support the fraud allegations.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Iran is not and never will be a threat. The elections in Iran mean nothing to the US. Nothing at all. Everyone knows this.

Are you on crack?

Has Iran done anything to the US? No, it has not. They are not a threat. Iran will never do anything against the US. It would be foolish.

Yes, the Iraqi insurgents are getting the weapons locally. HA.

You might want to google "Proxy war."

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
80% of Iran was not even born during the Iran-U.S hostage crisis.

Um...

0% of African Americans were born during slavery yet we have affirmative action....

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: loki8481
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.c...s-election-results/?hp seems to heavily support the fraud allegations.

So what? Its THEIR country and we have no right to judge THEIR election process. So what if they have a sham election process, it is what it is.

America can't go around the world imposing its values on other countries, now can it?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Aimster
80% of Iran was not even born during the Iran-U.S hostage crisis.

Um...

0% of African Americans were born during slavery yet we have affirmative action....

In anticipation of someone's half-wit cheap shot at this, he means there are no people alive today who are guilty of or a victim of slavery.

However, Affirmative Action isn't about slavery. It's about civil rights. Affirmative Action is legal racial discrimination.

 

[piasabird]

The people in Iran need to revolt against their dictators. I think people in Iran fear that the west will retaliate for their development of Nuclear Weapons and Iran's support of terrorism. Iran may be ripe for a new round of civil war.

The election process is all a fraud! The leaders of Iran are 2 faced liars and their own people just yearn to be free and are afraid they will all die in a war.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik
If you're educated enough to read Hebrew, click this:

That seems a rather ethno-supremacist way to put it.

I am not Hebrew. I speak English, not Hebrew. I have not been educated to speak a 3rd foreign language. I am not educated enough.

Yet some people are very well educated but not in foreign languages, and others are educated in many languages, but not Hebrew. Regardless, if you can't even read the article yourself, why did you bother to post it? Also, if you didn't get your account of the situation in Iran from that article, what is your source?

 

[StageLeft]

I don't know who "ought" to have won. Certainly it seems like there was rampant fraud in which case the election by the standards of anybody sane is immaterial. Ahmed can claim he won by a huge margin, though, and nothing will come of the rioting. I guess we're all stuck with him for a while longer.

 

[brxndxn]

I doubt there was more fraud in their election compared to ours..

Also, good for them.. Ahmedinejad is one of the few leaders left that will actually play hardball with the US.

I love the US.. but our foreign policy is completely fucked up.

 

[Pocatello]

The people with real power are not for up election in Iran. They are not going to risk an open war, but they can support a proxy war against US interest in the region, to protect their own interest.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik
If you're educated enough to read Hebrew, click this:

That seems a rather ethno-supremacist way to put it.

I am not Hebrew. I speak English, not Hebrew. I have not been educated to speak a 3rd foreign language. I am not educated enough.

Yet some people are very well educated but not in foreign languages, and others are educated in many languages, but not Hebrew. Regardless, if you can't even read the article yourself, why did you bother to post it? Also, if you didn't get your account of the situation in Iran from that article, what is your source?

Someone who lives in the region who does speak Hebrew, but that doesn't change the message and has no bearing on this conversation. It doesn't change the fact that if you aren't educated in speaking Hebrew another way to describe said situation would be that you're either educated enough to read the article or you are not educated enough to read it.

Anyone else who wishes to debate this issue needs to save their breath.

 

[techs]

For anyone who has actually followed he Iranian elections, you saw the Ahmacrazyguys parading out of the tortured.
Every election brutal examples of tortured Iraqis, with limbs cut off, acid scars, etc are shown campaigning for the anti-US candidate. These people were actually tortured, many of the them WITH CIA PERSONNEL PRESENT giving instructions on how to do it.
Considering the US overthrew their democratically elected government, put in place a dictator for 40 years, stole their oil wealth, and tortured their citiizens, it's pretty amazing that many Iranians are willing to forgive and forget.

Compare that to the Iranians treatment of 52 Americans they kept prisoner for 444 days.
We kidnapped their country, and tortured them and stole their money.
They kidnapped 52 people and held them for 444 days.

Seriously, who should be more pissed off?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: techs
For anyone who has actually followed he Iranian elections, you saw the Ahmacrazyguys parading out of the tortured.
Every election brutal examples of tortured Iraqis, with limbs cut off, acid scars, etc are shown campaigning for the anti-US candidate. These people were actually tortured, many of the them WITH CIA PERSONNEL PRESENT giving instructions on how to do it.
Considering the US overthrew their democratically elected government, put in place a dictator for 40 years, stole their oil wealth, and tortured their citiizens, it's pretty amazing that many Iranians are willing to forgive and forget.

Compare that to the Iranians treatment of 52 Americans they kept prisoner for 444 days.
We kidnapped their country, and tortured them and stole their money.
They kidnapped 52 people and held them for 444 days.

Seriously, who should be more pissed off?

How dare you try to bring the other side of the story into this discussion.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik
If you're educated enough to read Hebrew, click this:

That seems a rather ethno-supremacist way to put it.

I am not Hebrew. I speak English, not Hebrew. I have not been educated to speak a 3rd foreign language. I am not educated enough.

Yet some people are very well educated but not in foreign languages, and others are educated in many languages, but not Hebrew. Regardless, if you can't even read the article yourself, why did you bother to post it? Also, if you didn't get your account of the situation in Iran from that article, what is your source?

Someone who lives in the region who does speak Hebrew, but that doesn't change the message and has no bearing on this conversation. It doesn't change the fact that if you aren't educated in speaking Hebrew another way to describe said situation would be that you're either educated enough to read the article or you are not educated enough to read it.

Anyone else who wishes to debate this issue needs to save their breath.

Such phrasing is hardly common, and surely you can see how I would figure you could read the article you posted yourself, so I hope you can understand how your comment came off to me as it did. Put simply, the comment struck me as comparable to those of dolts who disparage the intelligence of anyone who isn't fluent in English.

Regardless, I am still curious to know, if not from the article, where did you get your account of the situation in Iran from?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Nik
If you're educated enough to read Hebrew, click this:

That seems a rather ethno-supremacist way to put it.

I am not Hebrew. I speak English, not Hebrew. I have not been educated to speak a 3rd foreign language. I am not educated enough.

Yet some people are very well educated but not in foreign languages, and others are educated in many languages, but not Hebrew. Regardless, if you can't even read the article yourself, why did you bother to post it? Also, if you didn't get your account of the situation in Iran from that article, what is your source?

Someone who lives in the region who does speak Hebrew, but that doesn't change the message and has no bearing on this conversation. It doesn't change the fact that if you aren't educated in speaking Hebrew another way to describe said situation would be that you're either educated enough to read the article or you are not educated enough to read it.

Anyone else who wishes to debate this issue needs to save their breath.

Such phrasing is hardly common, and surely you can see how I would figure you could read the article you posted yourself, so I hope you can understand how your comment came off to me as it did. Put simply, the comment struck me as comparable to those of dolts who disparage the intelligence of anyone who isn't fluent in English.

Regardless, I am still curious to know, if not from the article, where did you get your account of the situation in Iran from?

I've explained myself twice. There's no reason to continue this conversation with you.

I've already addressed your last question.

 

[kylebisme]

Ah, I didn't realise you were citing "Someone who lives in the region who does speak Hebrew" as a source, but rather took that to be an answer to mean you posted it for such people. My bad there.

 

[Nik]

:thumbsup:

 

[Drift3r]

Iran choking in the mires of religious conservatism and authoritarian style rule. If we truly want to "FREE" Iran and its people then promoting Liberalism is the only route. Of course if we just want to keep them as another enemy to scare folks with then we should do noting.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Iran choking in the mires of religious conservatism and authoritarian style rule. If we truly want to "FREE" Iran and its people then promoting Liberalism is the only route. Of course if we just want to keep them as another enemy to scare folks with then we should do noting.

Who are we to do anything? They are their own nation. If that's the way they want to function, then so be it as long as our safety doesn't come into question.

The US gets shit on if we interfere because we're not the world's police. The US also gets shit on if we don't do anything because we're the world's richest country and should help blah blah blah.

I think we should focus on fixing our own shit considering we have our own people needing care. Let the world burn around us for all I care.

 

[frostedflakes]

Has anybody in this thread suggested that we interfere in Iran's politics? We're just expressing our disappointment with the result of the election. If the fraud allegations are true I hope that the Iranians can work it out, but I agree that it's never really our place to get involved in other nations politics.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Aimster
80% of Iran was not even born during the Iran-U.S hostage crisis.

Yeah but the 20% that are still alive approve of it and are in charge now

 

[ZeGermans]

I'm somewhat torn. I like Amedinejad's general policies of calling out US imperialism and war crimes, but his internal policies are pretty shitty.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I'm somewhat torn. I like Amedinejad's general policies of calling out US imperialism and war crimes, but his internal policies are pretty shitty.

Not to mention that he's an anti-Semite who probably would be happy nuking Israel if he got a chance.

If you are the leader of a country, you can't be prejudice...case in point most of the Middle East on all the Palestinians and the Kurds

 

[eits]

it's like i said a year or two ago... give it time and the people of iran will revolt against their government. we don't need to interfere.

the election was fixed. they pulled a gwb.

 

[Sinsear]

Maybe Obama and Ahmadinejihad can get together and hug it out.