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GTKeeper

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Someone at AIG needs an f-ing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

Grow up AIG exec. If you are so damn awesome, find yourself another high paying job. You act like AIG was god's gift to the world and that you had no knowledge of the CDS shennanigans going on.

These kind of letters are written by cowards who need the public to feel sorry for them. I think this letter should be taught in elementry school under the heading 'how you can tell someone is a sissy'.
 

0marTheZealot

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I keep seeing these letters about how these people are so talented and so smart but had nothing to do with the current mess.

If these people were so smart, bringing in so much profit and what not, why the fuck has every investment bank on Wall St gone under? Why has the tax payer been forced to put in 1+ trillion dollars to prop these companies up?

I'm sorry, I don't buy it. The guy should be lucky he has a job, it's only because Uncle Sam stepped in that we even have a working financial sector today. If it wasn't for the government, the entire financial industry would have collapsed, in part due to "smart" people like the author.

Fuck him and his ilk, good luck finding a financial firm that doesn't have strings attached to the government.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Someone at AIG needs an f-ing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

Grow up AIG exec. If you are so damn awesome, find yourself another high paying job. You act like AIG was god's gift to the world and that you had no knowledge of the CDS shennanigans going on.

These kind of letters are written by cowards who need the public to feel sorry for them. I think this letter should be taught in elementry school under the heading 'how you can tell someone is a sissy'.

Sounds like misguided overcompensation (no pun intended) to me.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Vic
Who gives a fsck? He'd be out of work anyway if the govt didn't bail out AIG. So now he's complaining and resigning that the bail out that saved his job came with strings attached? Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

You don't get it. We the tax payers have put in how many billions of dollar into AIG now? Tell me who in the right mind is going to go into AIG and take care of the mess there now? You gotta work like crazy, you get paid but you don't know if government is gonna take that away, and you walk on the street you'd have to risk getting spit in the face. Without any qualified people, how the hell we are going get AIG out of the mess it is in right now?

Keep treating people at AIG with mob mentality and stupid politic and we will never see the hundreds of billions we already put in.

We will never the see the money. It is gone. So acting liking giving million of dollars to the assholes who lost it is going to get it back is false.

This.

It's easy to post wisecracks on the Internet until you realize the hundreds of billion (starts with B not M) is actual money, have actual impact on the economy and the financial well being of the US going forward.

If you want to admit defeat now, that's your right. But I hope the rest of America is smarter than that and at least give the possibility of getting those money back a shot.

Your going to have a hard time convincing me that 3 guys making $150,000/yr couldn't do a better job then this asshat making $1.65 million/yr.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
pathetic.

$742,006.40 is not a payment from A.I.G, its a payment from us. Its not "donated", its giving back rightfully.

we really need to hang these dumb ass AIG execs.

You either don't know how business works, or don't care to find out some facts.

Bandwagon FTL

A.I.G. business doesn't work, so nothing applies.

fact? the fact is, these people won't have a job let along the bonuses had government not paid A.I.G.

they should be grateful still being employeed. they definately don't deserve bonuses.
Grateful to be making $1 a year??

That makes sense.

I read someplace that his bonus was $1.65 million or something like that? If they left him with 10% per the bill he'd still be making $165,000. I guess he doesn't need the money very bad? Heh, must be nice.

they don't have FICA, Medicare, State, or Local taxes where you live?
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Vic
Who gives a fsck? He'd be out of work anyway if the govt didn't bail out AIG. So now he's complaining and resigning that the bail out that saved his job came with strings attached? Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

You don't get it. We the tax payers have put in how many billions of dollar into AIG now? Tell me who in the right mind is going to go into AIG and take care of the mess there now? You gotta work like crazy, you get paid but you don't know if government is gonna take that away, and you walk on the street you'd have to risk getting spit in the face. Without any qualified people, how the hell we are going get AIG out of the mess it is in right now?

Keep treating people at AIG with mob mentality and stupid politic and we will never see the hundreds of billions we already put in.

We will never the see the money. It is gone. So acting liking giving million of dollars to the assholes who lost it is going to get it back is false.

Not when you're paying employees $1 a year, no.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
pathetic.

$742,006.40 is not a payment from A.I.G, its a payment from us. Its not "donated", its giving back rightfully.

we really need to hang these dumb ass AIG execs.

You either don't know how business works, or don't care to find out some facts.

Bandwagon FTL

A.I.G. business doesn't work, so nothing applies.

fact? the fact is, these people won't have a job let along the bonuses had government not paid A.I.G.

they should be grateful still being employeed. they definately don't deserve bonuses.
Grateful to be making $1 a year??

That makes sense.

I read someplace that his bonus was $1.65 million or something like that? If they left him with 10% per the bill he'd still be making $165,000. I guess he doesn't need the money very bad? Heh, must be nice.

they don't have FICA, Medicare, State, or Local taxes where you live?

If you think I'm wrong, prove it.
 

EXman

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Jul 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: alchemize
I love when the Subway-working morons like Jackdruid come to a thread about business.

AIG has numerous lines of business. Life, P&C, etc. They were extremely successful and a very well run company that had an out-of-control arm. Other insurance companies will be snapping up the good employees and leaving the shit ones to run it into the ground and leave the bill with the taxpayers. Congrats, government you've manage to fuck up again, pandering to your idiot constituents.

agreed Jack sounds like the guy Obama is pandering too.

I'm glad Jack stopped posting, no I am not Please Jack post some more crap!

I love a chuckle in the morning.
 

winnar111

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http://bloomberg.com/apps/news...0ua0HCIrqp0&refer=home

AIG Vilification Costs Firm, Loews CEO Tisch Says

March 26 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer bailed out by the U.S. government, is losing customers and employees amid Congressional vilification of the firm, the head of a competing company said.

Complaints by lawmakers about AIG?s bonus payments are tarnishing the firm and driving commercial insurance customers to rivals, said Loews Corp. Chief Executive Officer James Tisch. Loews owns 90 percent of Chicago-based business insurer CNA Financial Corp.

Tisch?s comments reinforce remarks by AIG?s CEO, Edward Liddy, who has said some bonus payments are needed to retain staff as the insurer seeks to sell businesses and repay the U.S. loan. Executives at competing firms had anticipated that AIG, with financial backing by the government, would undercut rivals to retain customers as it put the businesses on the block.

?It?s helped CNA, but it disappoints me as a taxpayer,? Tisch said in a Bloomberg Television interview. ?It should have been much more difficult for us to compete against AIG, but the reality is, I think it?s become dramatically easier. And that?s because Congress has made such a stink over compensation.?

A profitable property-casualty division was the centerpiece of Liddy?s strategy to revive AIG and woo private investors following the government?s initial $85 billion bailout in September. That plan stalled amid deepening losses on subprime investments and Liddy?s difficulty finding buyers for other units, and the taxpayer-funded bailout has since been revised three times and grown to a package valued at $182.5 billion.

AIG ?Wounded?

AIG privately told the government in February that its U.S. commercial insurance business has struggled to attract customers as employees quit to work for competitors, said a person familiar with the situation.

?The AIG name is so thoroughly wounded and disgraced that we?re probably going to have to change it,? Liddy told a Congressional panel this month. ?If I can?t turn this situation around, we run the risk that that business does atrophy.?

AIG, once the world?s largest insurer, has already begun the process of rebranding several units, including the operation that sells commercial coverage in the U.S. A portion of that unit may be offered to the public in a stock sale as part of the plan to pay back the government.

AIG?s decision to pay $165 million in bonuses this month after the latest revision of its bailout triggered a public outcry, and President Barack Obama called the payments ?inappropriate.? Liddy has since asked employees at its money- losing Financial Products unit to return bonus money, prompting one company vice president to submit his resignation in an opinion piece published yesterday in the New York Times.

The A Team

?They?ve made sure that the A team and the B team are out the revolving door at AIG, and what?s going to be left is the third and fourth string,? Tisch said. ?For the life of me, I don?t understand how that is good for the country.?


AIG and CNA compete selling coverage to businesses to protect against worker injuries, property damage and lawsuits.

?We have a leading franchise with great people committed to our clients,? said Christina Pretto, an AIG spokeswoman, when told of Tisch?s comments.

The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said in a March 18 report that state insurance regulators, brokers and buyers of business coverage ?have seen no indications that AIG?s commercial property-casualty insurers are selling coverage at prices inadequate to cover the risk involved.? AIG provided the GAO with examples where the firm lost business, the report said.

Tisch said that if AIG was unable to continue selling coverage, there would be ?significant price increases? for commercial insurance buyers.



Congratulations on destroying your own company.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
pathetic.

$742,006.40 is not a payment from A.I.G, its a payment from us. Its not "donated", its giving back rightfully.

we really need to hang these dumb ass AIG execs.

You either don't know how business works, or don't care to find out some facts.

Bandwagon FTL

A.I.G. business doesn't work, so nothing applies.

fact? the fact is, these people won't have a job let along the bonuses had government not paid A.I.G.

they should be grateful still being employeed. they definately don't deserve bonuses.
Grateful to be making $1 a year??

That makes sense.

I read someplace that his bonus was $1.65 million or something like that? If they left him with 10% per the bill he'd still be making $165,000. I guess he doesn't need the money very bad? Heh, must be nice.

they don't have FICA, Medicare, State, or Local taxes where you live?

If you think I'm wrong, prove it.

See Fern's post above... he did the calc's and came to 102% rate
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
pathetic.

$742,006.40 is not a payment from A.I.G, its a payment from us. Its not "donated", its giving back rightfully.

we really need to hang these dumb ass AIG execs.

You either don't know how business works, or don't care to find out some facts.

Bandwagon FTL

A.I.G. business doesn't work, so nothing applies.

fact? the fact is, these people won't have a job let along the bonuses had government not paid A.I.G.

they should be grateful still being employeed. they definately don't deserve bonuses.
Grateful to be making $1 a year??

That makes sense.

I read someplace that his bonus was $1.65 million or something like that? If they left him with 10% per the bill he'd still be making $165,000. I guess he doesn't need the money very bad? Heh, must be nice.

they don't have FICA, Medicare, State, or Local taxes where you live?

If you think I'm wrong, prove it.

See Fern's post above... he did the calc's and came to 102% rate

1.) Well, the bill hasn't even passed yet so how does Fern know how it's going to work.

2.) I guess a contract is a contract. Too bad, so sad.
 

Craig234

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A bit of Republican bias came up on this with Gallup poll.

These bonuses were allowed to remain in place by the Bush administration when the bailout was negotiated in September.

Gallup polled asking who is most responsible for the bonuses being paid: Obama, Gheitner, Congress, or AIG. The Bush administration wasn't a choice.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
pathetic.

$742,006.40 is not a payment from A.I.G, its a payment from us. Its not "donated", its giving back rightfully.

we really need to hang these dumb ass AIG execs.

So, all of the exec's should work for free then, right? That's obviously the only solution to your outrage.

Give me a break. All companies make money through customers. Most large companies have contracts with government entities. Guess who pays for that - you, me and all taxpayers.

Furthermore, it was been proven over and over that the Feds knew about these contracts and decided it was not proper to break the contracts in exchange for the TARP money. Now, all of a sudden they are pissed? that should tell you enough about who is at fault here.

This guy has a legitimate complaint. I don't care how much money he was guaranteed. A binding contract is a binding contract. The guy should get paid, withheld at normal tax rates and everyone else should put their jealousy and envy aside.

If a contract is a contract why did members of the UAW have to take concessions on their contracts with the auto companies?


they didn't have to. they could have voted it down and delt with whatever happened.

but you can't compare the two.

Why not compare the two? Everyone put pressure on the auto workers to take less money, why not the same for wall street workers???

 

OrByte

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a smarter executive would have taken as much money up front

or traded a lucrative bonus structure for a regular (and more acceptable) salary.

sorry chumps...that system of salary + retention bonuses is broken...and unfavorable.

They (AIG execs) should have seen that coming.
 

Craig234

Lifer
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Originally posted by: OrByte
a smarter executive would have taken as much money up front

or traded a lucrative bonus structure for a regular (and more acceptable) salary.

sorry chumps...that system of salary + retention bonuses is broken...and unfavorable.

They (AIG execs) should have seen that coming.

Doesn't seem reasonable to me - sounds more like the benefit of hindsight.
 
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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
*snip*

1.) Well, the bill hasn't even passed yet so how does Fern know how it's going to work.

2.) I guess a contract is a contract. Too bad, so sad.

Wow dude.

You're a tool if you believe that Congress passes a law taxing that bonus at 90% federally, and expects state/local to take care of the other 10% AFTER the contract was signed and AFTER the money was paid out to the company (with no stipulations) and AFTER the money was paid out to the employees.

So now we can go around changing the rules AFTER the fact?
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: OrByte
a smarter executive would have taken as much money up front

or traded a lucrative bonus structure for a regular (and more acceptable) salary.

sorry chumps...that system of salary + retention bonuses is broken...and unfavorable.

They (AIG execs) should have seen that coming.

Are you talking about bonuses only as they relate to AIG or bonuses in the financial industry as a whole?
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: winnar111

Congratulations on destroying your own company.

Exactly. The top talent will just go work for competitors which will strengthen them and make AIG weaker. So all this bonus tax and public outcry mess is ensuring AIG really does fail.

Good job Obama, Congress, Geithner, Frank. Your master plan of killing the economy is working. Once you force all the top talent out of the country then you can high five everybody.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
*snip*

1.) Well, the bill hasn't even passed yet so how does Fern know how it's going to work.

2.) I guess a contract is a contract. Too bad, so sad.

Wow dude.

You're a tool if you believe that Congress passes a law taxing that bonus at 90% federally, and expects state/local to take care of the other 10% AFTER the contract was signed and AFTER the money was paid out to the company (with no stipulations) and AFTER the money was paid out to the employees.

So now we can go around changing the rules AFTER the fact?

What goes around, comes around.
 

Robor

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How many of those supporting the AIG execs bonus contracts feel the UAW workers contracts are leeches on the company? Seems like most of the anti-union conservatives are supporting the execs. Is a contract not a contract?
 

BMW540I6speed

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

I guess some didn't read the part that he agreed to work for a huge dollar amount bonus - not a dollar. Just like many of us, he gambled and lost. He should take comfort in knowing that there have to be Losers in order for there to be Winners. Life is unfair that way and freedom is, of course, untidy.

Most losers disappear into anonymity. They aren't tarred and feathered by elected officials.

"Yawn" . The sense of entitlement some of these Wall Streeters crave....There you have it: hedging and speculation, baby.

I may have some sympathy for DeSantis. if he speaks the truth. He says he didn't engage in any credit default swaps nonsense. He says his business unit was "consistently profitable" for the company, that he was working for a $1 annual salary, and that he's been spending "10, 12, 14 hours a day" trying to save the company. He even lost "a significant portion" of his life savings and "personally suffered from AIG's controversial activity -directly and indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers." He was repeatedly promised a gargantuan bonus in exchange for these hardships, and now his employer has abandoned him and attorneys in general are demagoguing him. So he's washing his hands of the whole thing.

What he doesn't understand is that the rage that's been aimed at him and his colleagues isn't just about the money and the failure - it's about the vast and bottomless sense of entitlement that well-heeled Wall Streeters can't seem to shake. When he describes the AIG retention contracts as "ethical and useful," and when he compares himself to a "plumber" being "cheated" of his payment because an electrician burned down the house, he seems to be discovering for the first time that life is not fair. Also, he fails to understand that in this case, the humble plumber works for the electrician who burned down our house.

Most people who earn less than $700,000 a year have understood for some time that life is not fair. It's a hard lesson to learn, and it's generally a good idea to speak out in the face injustices large and small. But when the economy is cratering because of the company you work for, and unemployment is heading to double digits, to complain about how hard you work and make a show of being wealthy enough to turn away $742,000 is not the note you want to hit. You are not a plumber, Mr. DeSantis. You are a fabulously wealthy and fortunate man, and you ought to appreciate that and give your money away, if that's what you want to do, without aggrandizing & grandstanding yourself in the process.

 

JACKDRUID

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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
"Yawn" . The sense of entitlement some of these Wall Streeters crave....There you have it: hedging and speculation, baby.

I may have some sympathy for DeSantis. if he speaks the truth. He says he didn't engage in any credit default swaps nonsense. He says his business unit was "consistently profitable" for the company, that he was working for a $1 annual salary, and that he's been spending "10, 12, 14 hours a day" trying to save the company. He even lost "a significant portion" of his life savings and "personally suffered from AIG's controversial activity -directly and indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers." He was repeatedly promised a gargantuan bonus in exchange for these hardships, and now his employer has abandoned him and attorneys in general are demagoguing him. So he's washing his hands of the whole thing.

What he doesn't understand is that the rage that's been aimed at him and his colleagues isn't just about the money and the failure - it's about the vast and bottomless sense of entitlement that well-heeled Wall Streeters can't seem to shake. When he describes the AIG retention contracts as "ethical and useful," and when he compares himself to a "plumber" being "cheated" of his payment because an electrician burned down the house, he seems to be discovering for the first time that life is not fair. Also, he fails to understand that in this case, the humble plumber works for the electrician who burned down our house.

Most people who earn less than $700,000 a year have understood for some time that life is not fair. It's a hard lesson to learn, and it's generally a good idea to speak out in the face injustices large and small. But when the economy is cratering because of the company you work for, and unemployment is heading to double digits, to complain about how hard you work and make a show of being wealthy enough to turn away $742,000 is not the note you want to hit. You are not a plumber, Mr. DeSantis. You are a fabulously wealthy and fortunate man, and you ought to appreciate that and give your money away, if that's what you want to do, without aggrandizing & grandstanding yourself in the process.

whew very well said

for a moment there i thought all anandtech ppl were crazy tools like winnar, Areacode707, and a few others.
 

AreaCode707

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Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: winnar111
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news...0ua0HCIrqp0&refer=home

AIG Vilification Costs Firm, Loews CEO Tisch Says

March 26 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer bailed out by the U.S. government, is losing customers and employees amid Congressional vilification of the firm, the head of a competing company said.

Complaints by lawmakers about AIG?s bonus payments are tarnishing the firm and driving commercial insurance customers to rivals, said Loews Corp. Chief Executive Officer James Tisch. Loews owns 90 percent of Chicago-based business insurer CNA Financial Corp.

Tisch?s comments reinforce remarks by AIG?s CEO, Edward Liddy, who has said some bonus payments are needed to retain staff as the insurer seeks to sell businesses and repay the U.S. loan. Executives at competing firms had anticipated that AIG, with financial backing by the government, would undercut rivals to retain customers as it put the businesses on the block.

?It?s helped CNA, but it disappoints me as a taxpayer,? Tisch said in a Bloomberg Television interview. ?It should have been much more difficult for us to compete against AIG, but the reality is, I think it?s become dramatically easier. And that?s because Congress has made such a stink over compensation.?

A profitable property-casualty division was the centerpiece of Liddy?s strategy to revive AIG and woo private investors following the government?s initial $85 billion bailout in September. That plan stalled amid deepening losses on subprime investments and Liddy?s difficulty finding buyers for other units, and the taxpayer-funded bailout has since been revised three times and grown to a package valued at $182.5 billion.

AIG ?Wounded?

AIG privately told the government in February that its U.S. commercial insurance business has struggled to attract customers as employees quit to work for competitors, said a person familiar with the situation.

?The AIG name is so thoroughly wounded and disgraced that we?re probably going to have to change it,? Liddy told a Congressional panel this month. ?If I can?t turn this situation around, we run the risk that that business does atrophy.?

AIG, once the world?s largest insurer, has already begun the process of rebranding several units, including the operation that sells commercial coverage in the U.S. A portion of that unit may be offered to the public in a stock sale as part of the plan to pay back the government.

AIG?s decision to pay $165 million in bonuses this month after the latest revision of its bailout triggered a public outcry, and President Barack Obama called the payments ?inappropriate.? Liddy has since asked employees at its money- losing Financial Products unit to return bonus money, prompting one company vice president to submit his resignation in an opinion piece published yesterday in the New York Times.

The A Team

?They?ve made sure that the A team and the B team are out the revolving door at AIG, and what?s going to be left is the third and fourth string,? Tisch said. ?For the life of me, I don?t understand how that is good for the country.?


AIG and CNA compete selling coverage to businesses to protect against worker injuries, property damage and lawsuits.

?We have a leading franchise with great people committed to our clients,? said Christina Pretto, an AIG spokeswoman, when told of Tisch?s comments.

The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said in a March 18 report that state insurance regulators, brokers and buyers of business coverage ?have seen no indications that AIG?s commercial property-casualty insurers are selling coverage at prices inadequate to cover the risk involved.? AIG provided the GAO with examples where the firm lost business, the report said.

Tisch said that if AIG was unable to continue selling coverage, there would be ?significant price increases? for commercial insurance buyers.



Congratulations on destroying your own company.

I think the leading line of the article is pertinent too. Brand is vital to a company and this company has one of the worst brands in all of US history now; who seriously wants to do business with them? Definitely not a good way to save it and return taxpayer funds. We should have just let them die off in the first place and taken the economic lumps that came with it.
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
*snip*

1.) Well, the bill hasn't even passed yet so how does Fern know how it's going to work.

2.) I guess a contract is a contract. Too bad, so sad.

Wow dude.

You're a tool if you believe that Congress passes a law taxing that bonus at 90% federally, and expects state/local to take care of the other 10% AFTER the contract was signed and AFTER the money was paid out to the company (with no stipulations) and AFTER the money was paid out to the employees.

So now we can go around changing the rules AFTER the fact?

What goes around, comes around.

Oh good lord. Can you really not see the difference of somebody putting in a year's worth of work and then having their contract invalidated after the fact and revoking an illegal law passed by Congress?
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

I guess some didn't read the part that he agreed to work for a huge dollar amount bonus - not a dollar. Just like many of us, he gambled and lost. He should take comfort in knowing that there have to be Losers in order for there to be Winners. Life is unfair that way and freedom is, of course, untidy.

Most losers disappear into anonymity. They aren't tarred and feathered by elected officials.

"Yawn" . The sense of entitlement some of these Wall Streeters crave....There you have it: hedging and speculation, baby.

I may have some sympathy for DeSantis. if he speaks the truth. He says he didn't engage in any credit default swaps nonsense. He says his business unit was "consistently profitable" for the company, that he was working for a $1 annual salary, and that he's been spending "10, 12, 14 hours a day" trying to save the company. He even lost "a significant portion" of his life savings and "personally suffered from AIG's controversial activity -directly and indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers." He was repeatedly promised a gargantuan bonus in exchange for these hardships, and now his employer has abandoned him and attorneys in general are demagoguing him. So he's washing his hands of the whole thing.

What he doesn't understand is that the rage that's been aimed at him and his colleagues isn't just about the money and the failure - it's about the vast and bottomless sense of entitlement that well-heeled Wall Streeters can't seem to shake. When he describes the AIG retention contracts as "ethical and useful," and when he compares himself to a "plumber" being "cheated" of his payment because an electrician burned down the house, he seems to be discovering for the first time that life is not fair. Also, he fails to understand that in this case, the humble plumber works for the electrician who burned down our house.

Most people who earn less than $700,000 a year have understood for some time that life is not fair. It's a hard lesson to learn, and it's generally a good idea to speak out in the face injustices large and small. But when the economy is cratering because of the company you work for, and unemployment is heading to double digits, to complain about how hard you work and make a show of being wealthy enough to turn away $742,000 is not the note you want to hit. You are not a plumber, Mr. DeSantis. You are a fabulously wealthy and fortunate man, and you ought to appreciate that and give your money away, if that's what you want to do, without aggrandizing & grandstanding yourself in the process.

Good and thoughtful post, all very true when it comes to public reaction and the attitudes and overpayment of the Wall Streeters.

However, it doesn't change the fact that the bailout, effort to force a company not to honor their contracts and special retroactive laws taxing a select group of people undermines the fabric of our government and gives them more power to do whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want. The precedent set by each of these individual moves is more and more dangerous.
 
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