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grkM3

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How the hell is Samsung worth $337 billion? Show us your voodoo math.

you never heard of liquid assest? there fabs alone are worth 30-40 billion

just the one fab they have for apple is worth 12 billion

This is samsungs Semiconductors & Semiconductor Equipment stock....SSNHY and has a 77.1 billion market cap right now.

Here is samsungs electronics stock and has a market cap of 200 billion... SSNLF should open tom around 1500 a share!

Here we have there energy stock with another wopping 8.3 billion market cap...SSNGY

There are about 5 more Samsung stocks in different segments but they are not reporting there market cap to my account and since they are not on the us stock exchange they don't have to report numbers anyways,

Samsung is expecting to make net profit of 25 billion this year alone just from the gs4 predicted sales growth they have,so ya Samsung is afraid to be out of the market all right.
 
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Samsung sells 237 billion dollars worth of product each year (this is revenue, not profit, but that is still a lot of sales)

South Korea total GDP is 1.1 trillion dollars.

That means Samsung produces 20% of South Korea's GDP.
 

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Wow... And i thought VC&G was bad.

Link to the fellow that tossed his Samsung refridgerator out!
 

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you never heard of liquid assest? there fabs alone are worth 30-40 billion

just the one fab they have for apple is worth 12 billion

This is samsungs Semiconductors & Semiconductor Equipment stock....SSNHY and has a 77.1 billion market cap right now.

Here is samsungs electronics stock and has a market cap of 200 billion... SSNLF should open tom around 1500 a share!

Here we have there energy stock with another wopping 8.3 billion market cap...SSNGY

There are about 5 more Samsung stocks in different segments but they are not reporting there market cap to my account and since they are not on the us stock exchange they don't have to report numbers anyways,

Samsung is expecting to make net profit of 25 billion this year alone just from the gs4 predicted sales growth they have,so ya Samsung is afraid to be out of the market all right.

You are using "Samsung Mobile" and "Samsung Electronics" interchangeably. That is likely to confuse people.
 

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you never heard of liquid assest? there fabs alone are worth 30-40 billion

just the one fab they have for apple is worth 12 billion

This is samsungs Semiconductors & Semiconductor Equipment stock....SSNHY and has a 77.1 billion market cap right now.

Here is samsungs electronics stock and has a market cap of 200 billion... SSNLF should open tom around 1500 a share!

Here we have there energy stock with another wopping 8.3 billion market cap...SSNGY

There are about 5 more Samsung stocks in different segments but they are not reporting there market cap to my account and since they are not on the us stock exchange they don't have to report numbers anyways,

Samsung is expecting to make net profit of 25 billion this year alone just from the gs4 predicted sales growth they have,so ya Samsung is afraid to be out of the market all right.
You've never heard of liabilities? Samsung doesn't have any liability?
You've never heard of book value? Do you know what the book value/share of Samsung is?
You've never heard of FCF? Do you know what the FCF of Samsung is?

I love it when people that know absolutely nothing about stocks start chiming in about "market cap", "assets", and other stupid things like it's supposed to represent what the company is worth.

BTW, a fab is NOT a "liquid" asset. In case you're not aware.
 

Dari

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Samsung sells 237 billion dollars worth of product each year (this is revenue, not profit, but that is still a lot of sales)

South Korea total GDP is 1.1 trillion dollars.

That means Samsung produces 20% of South Korea's GDP.

Apparently JPeyton (the person who derailed this thread), thinks it's splendid for one company to have such a powerful command of one nation's economy. If ever there was a company that was too big to fail, it's Samsung. But fail they will. Not because they may make a mistake, but because it's simply inevitable. Here is one simple way. The bigger a company is the more it has to grow in order to stand still. It simply cannot rest or else it will die. That is why Samsung is spending its money by going into new industries. As it goes into ever more industries it starts to lose focus of its core industries. It also starts to hear complaints from owners (re: shareholders) about ROI. If firms don't see what they want to see they start taking their money out for more nimble firms. What does the company do as a response? It starts selling assets, usually well-established ones in order to chase growth. Now the firm has just took the rug from under itself. It is in unchartered industries. People will question its leadership and things go from bad to worse.

Of course, no one wants to believe this now but it's a script as old as any. The bigger they are the harder they fall. This company may be seen as successful, but the way it came about that is disgusting,

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Samsung
The next big bet

The world’s biggest information-technology firm is diving into green technology and the health business. It should take care; its rivals should take notice

Oct 1st 2011 | SEOUL |From the print edition

IN 2000 Samsung started making batteries for digital gadgets. Ten years later it sold more of them than any other company in the world. In 2001 it threw resources into flat-panel televisions. Within four years it was the market leader. In 2002 the firm bet heavily on “flash” memory. The technology it delivered made the iPhone and iPad a reality, and made Samsung Apple's biggest supplier—and now its biggest hardware competitor.

The handsome payoffs from these ballsy bets made the South Korean company a colossus; last year its sales passed $135 billion. Now it is embarking on a similarly audacious plan to move away from electronics into technologies where it barely has a presence today. It intends to spend $20 billion over ten years on solar panels, light-emitting diodes (LEDs) used for lighting, electric-vehicle batteries, medical devices and biotech drugs. These businesses shift Samsung away from easily substitutable gadgets towards more essential industrial goods (see table)—or from “infotainment” to “lifecare”, as the company puts it. Just as electronics defined swathes of the 20th century, the company believes green technology and health care will be central to the 21st.

With these plans Samsung sees itself bringing technologies that are vital for society into much broader use. The company has always had an eye for more than just the bottom line, seeking both to epitomise and to further the progress of its home country. Now it talks idealistically of improving the world by driving down the costs of zero-carbon power and providing poor countries and rural areas with medical equipment and drugs that they cannot afford today.


But the plans are also an ambitious industrial power play, one that challenges some of the world's biggest companies. Success would raise Samsung to new heights. Failure could lead to the firm losing what it already has, no longer able to flourish just as a maker of commodity gadgets and components.

The 83 firms that are tied together in Samsung's remarkably complex structure provide 13% of South Korea's gross exports. Samsung Electronics, the biggest of them, started making transistor radios in 1969, and has since evolved into the world's leading manufacturer of televisions and much else. It is on track to unseat Nokia as the biggest maker of mobile phones by volume next year. Interbrand, a consultancy which seeks to calculate brand value, puts it in the world's top 20, ahead of Sony and Nike. It has come second only to IBM in the number of patents earned in America for five years running.

Yet Samsung wants to diversify away from consumer electronics, a market that suffers from falling prices, thin margins, fast product cycles and fickle customers. Chinese rivals may do to Samsung what Samsung did to Western and Japanese firms in the past. “The majority of our products today will be gone in ten years,” Samsung's patriarch and chairman, Lee Kun-hee, told executives in deliberately alarmist tones last January.

To survive, he said, the company must not only go into the new businesses it has identified, but open itself up to work with partners and even make acquisitions. Samsung has long been a closed world from that point of view, a disposition reinforced after the disastrous acquisition of a PC maker in the 1990s. But now the company knows it needs new skills, sales channels and customers.

Doing it the Samsung way

By 2020 Samsung's Mr Lee wants the five new business areas to provide $50 billion of revenue, and Samsung Electronics to be a $400 billion company (for all his provocations to his staff, there are still going to be a lot of flat screens and memory sold). It is a brash goal, admits Inkuk Hahn of Samsung's strategy team. But ten years ago people were incredulous when Mr Lee insisted that Samsung, which then had sales of $23 billion, could be the number-one technology company, with sales of $100 billion. It claimed that crown just eight years later. “This is why you have to believe us,” Mr Hahn insists.

The new businesses look remarkably disparate, but they share a need for big capital investments and the capacity to scale manufacture up very quickly, talents the company has exploited methodically in the past.

Samsung's successes come from spotting areas that are small but growing fast. Ideally the area should also be capital-intensive, making it harder for rivals to keep up. Samsung tiptoes into the technology to get familiar with it, then waits for its moment. It was when liquid-crystal displays grew to 40 inches in 2001 that Samsung took the dive and turned them into televisions. In flash memory, Samsung piled in when new technology made it possible to put a whole gigabyte on a chip.

When it pounces, the company floods the sector with cash. Moving into very high volume production as fast as possible not only gives it a price advantage over established firms, but also makes it a key customer for equipment makers. Those relationships help it stay on the leading edge from then on.

The strategy is shrewd. By buying technology rather than building it, Samsung assumes execution risk not innovation risk. It wins as a “fast follower”, slipstreaming in the wake of pioneers at a much larger scale of production. The heavy investment has in the past played to its ability to tap cheap financing from a banking sector that is friendly to big companies, thanks to implicit government guarantees much complained about by rivals elsewhere.

From crisis to crisis

Competitors also balk at the way that Samsung scales up quickly to supply parts to other firms as well as to price its own gadgets keenly. Supplying the rest of industry drives down Samsung's costs yet further, with its rivals in effect financing its success. This strategy can create problems. Samsung is Apple's most important supplier in the smartphone and tablet-computer markets. Samsung components, which include all the product's application processors, account for 16% of the value of an iPhone. It is also Apple's greatest competitor in those markets. Apple is now suing the socks off the company for copying the look and feel of its products. At the same time it is urgently seeking new ways to diversify its supply chain.


Many companies saw the potential of technologies such as liquid-crystal panels, flash memory and rechargeable batteries. But few could or would invest billions in a single shot. That Samsung could is in large part due to a cult of personality around Mr Lee, who likes to keep things shaken up. “Change everything but your wife and children,” he exhorted managers in 1993. Three years later he lit a bonfire of 150,000 gadgets because some were defective. Other bosses often need to face a crisis—a “burning platform”, in the memorable phrase of Stephen Elop, Nokia's boss—before they make changes. Samsung does so when things are going well. The company has pushed out older managers and restructured its divisions over the past two years despite posting record profits even in the global financial crisis.

Management by perpetual crisis is perhaps a reflection of the company's national roots. In 1960, when the Samsung companies were taking off, South Korea, battered by recent war, had a GDP the same size as Sudan's; its last dictatorship fell only two years before the Berlin Wall. Today, though it enjoys one of the world's highest living standards, South Korea is still an emerging market in some ways, with endemic corruption and some economic structures that border on the feudal.

Find out how much of an Apple iPhone is actually a Samsung with our "teardown" infographic
Samsung, like its host country, has a foot in both the industrialised and developing worlds, which it has used to its advantage. While it has always produced things for major IT firms and Western consumers, it has aimed products at poor countries, too. This not only gave Samsung scale, but also market shares in the world's fastest-growing economies. Whereas Western firms reeled in the recent recession, Samsung flourished, buoyed by sales in markets that never stopped growing.

From laptop to rooftop

Some of the five new businesses Samsung has set its sights on are not that far from what the company does already. Its experience in semiconductors and flat-screen televisions fits easily with solar cells and LED lighting: the technology, materials and production processes are similar. Likewise, its expertise in batteries for gadgets smooths the way for making car-sized ones. The firm wants to apply the magic of ever cheaper chips to medical devices as it did mobile phones. Even drugs aren't so far afield when one sees them in business-process terms: high-volume manufacturing with low defect rates. In all these fields Samsung believes it can sit—rather as Korea does geographically—in between China, with its cheap products, and Japan, with its costly, high-quality ones.

In solar energy Samsung plans to make panels for both domestic and industrial use. Producing panels for “utility-scale” projects may allow it to lower prices for the residential market. Changsik Choi, who heads the business, also speaks optimistically of a “brand halo effect”: consumers whose living rooms are stuffed with Samsung products may choose the company for their rooftops too.

Samsung's dominance of the television market has already made it the world's second-largest maker of LED components (Japan's Nichia is the first). Since they consume a fraction of the power of conventional light bulbs, last longer and avoid some of the drawbacks of compact fluorescents, the first-generation alternative, LEDs are expected eventually to become the norm for all sorts of lighting; the market is growing by 65% a year. Samsung already sells LED lighting in South Korea and plans soon to expand abroad. In this market it will hew to its strategy of supplying parts to others, thereby lowering costs for its own products.

In electric-vehicle batteries Samsung has joined forces with Bosch, the world's biggest supplier of car parts and a fount of expertise on power- and engine-management. Samsung sees their partnership, SB LiMotive, as crucial since the car business relies on close ties between carmakers and their suppliers. Some carmakers, like Nissan and Toyota, will continue developing their own batteries, but Samsung thinks that many carmakers will not want to be in the battery business, just as they are not in the petrol business, and that they will be a rich source of demand. Chrysler and BMW are among SB LiMotive's first customers.

For medical devices Samsung aims to use information technology to lower costs, add features and make devices accessible to more people, particularly the poor. For example, it is developing X-ray machines that expose patients to less radiation and do away with physical film. Last year Samsung began selling a machine for testing patients' blood chemistry that is smaller, cheaper, uses less power and offers more functions than rivals' devices. In April it bought Medison, a South Korean maker of ultrasound equipment, as a way to get further into the market: it is looking at buying body-scanner firms too.

In biotech drugs the company plans to begin as a contract manufacturer of biosimilars (generic versions of biotech drugs) and has partnered with Quintiles, a drug outsourcer. The strategy lets Samsung gain experience while assuming little commercial risk. It is building a factory outside Seoul and has already begun developing biosimilars for medicines with patents that expire in 2016.

Incumbents and incomers

The markets are certainly promising, but they entail huge risks. Nor is the size of Samsung's commitment quite on a par with the overwhelming force it has deployed in the past. The solar and LED businesses already struggle with oversupply, meaning Samsung may get walloped by the same dramatic price erosion as it has seen in liquid-crystal flat panels. Electric-vehicle batteries may be in similar straits if demand for the cars they might power remains sluggish. They are also in the crosshairs of Chinese companies, as are medical devices and drugs. In a bid to escape the vagaries of consumer electronics, Samsung may be ploughing headlong into the areas most ripe for invasion by a new breed of emerging-market titans.

Acquisitions, a way of life in the drug business, are also a challenge: knowing what to buy and when is a skill that Samsung has never developed. The same applies to dealing with government regulators: Samsung's towering importance at home may give it a false confidence in its ability to handle governments elsewhere.

Its position as a domestic titan could be a hindrance in other ways. Working with partners entails sharing information and a view of joint success that is at odds with its insular corporate culture. The international talent the company will need to attract is also less likely to be moved by the admonishments and appeals to national grandeur that Mr Lee has used to build Samsung's success. They might, indeed, find such things wearisome.


Samsung's rivals are ready for a fight. Philips and GE have been preparing to compete with firms in emerging markets for years, devising cheap products and building on existing relationships with clients. Toshiba plans to spend an extra $9 billion in the energy and environment sectors over the next three years on top of its normal capital expenditure, research and acquisitions. Fumio Ohtsubo, Panasonic's boss, praises his Samsung rivals for their low prices but believes his company develops superior technology. “If we can get the same conditions in terms of free-trade agreements, low corporate taxes and other incentives, then we should be able to compete,” he says.

In medical devices Samsung will be up against firms like Philips, Siemens, Toshiba, Hitachi and GE (for which Samsung made medical equipment between 1984 and 2004). GE's Indian office famously reduced the cost of an electrocardiogram machine from $2,000 to $400. And the fact that hospitals prefer to buy different equipment from a single vendor so that, in principle, everything works together puts a maker of this-and-that at a disadvantage, even if it is cheap.

Perhaps the biggest challenge, though, will be one of succession. The 69-year-old chairman's son, Jay Y. Lee, 43, was named president last December. Educated in Japan (like his father and grandfather, the firm's founder) and at Harvard Business School, he has been groomed from the start. His first test will be reforming the jumble of opaque, interlocking relationships and conflicts of interest that passes for Samsung's corporate governance.

The “Samsung group”, as it is often known, has no legal identity. The 83 firms sit under an umbrella company called Everland, in which the Lee family has a controlling 46% stake. The family also has minority positions in other Samsung firms, which often hold shares in other members of the group, and indeed in Everland. For example, the family and related interests own 21% of Samsung's life-insurance firm, which owns 26% of its credit-card business, which in turn owns 26% of Everland. Get it? Nobody other than the Lees really does.

The company must change if only to avoid South Korea's devastating 50% inheritance tax after the elder Lee's passing (his father died at the age of 77). That would further whittle the family's stakes, notes Shaun Cochran of CLSA, a broker. He expects a holding company to be formed, so investors have clearer exposure to the different parts of Samsung's businesses. The younger Lee will also need to root out corruption, which his father often complained about without rising above it; the elder Lee's 2008 conviction for tax evasion was pardoned in 2009 on the ground of his importance to the country.

When the dealing's done

Chairman Lee's fear is that successful companies get flabby when they hit middle age. He saw that in Sony, founded in 1946, which has been struggling since the 1990s. Samsung Electronics turned 40 in 2009, which prompted Mr Lee to lay the groundwork for the five new growth areas. Diversification is essential. In the mid-1990s almost all of its profits came from DRAM memory chips: when the market soured in 1996, its profits shrivelled by 95%.

Samsung may be swapping “infotainment” for “lifecare”—but it is still in the hardware business, and that may leave it more vulnerable than it thinks. Many of today's computer and electronics giants are getting out of the manufacturing businesses altogether. IBM has shifted to services, trailed by Japan's Fujitsu, while Philips and Siemens both sold their IT businesses to focus on other areas. But getting out of things is not something Samsung is good at. Despite a commitment to perpetual crisis, a mixture of implicitly subsidised capital, weak shareholder pressure and family control has allowed it to stick too long with dodgy decisions—such as its move into cars, brought short only by the Asian financial crisis, and its only-now-ended commitment to hard-drive manufacture.

Even with a $20 billion bankroll, bets can be spread too thin. Perhaps the biggest risk for Samsung is not that none of its wagers will win, but that it won't be able to stop betting on the ones that don't. Knowing the right time to bet is a great gift. So is knowing the right time to walk away.
 

Dari

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As can be seen in the article above, Samsung's secret is out. It uses its own competitors in order to defeat them. Smart. But now people have caught on and it won't work in these new fields. As I have mentioned earlier in this thread, that strategy is unravelling in their more traditional fields of semiconductors. Also, the article was written about 18 months ago but, during that time, the solar panel market has collapsed and BMW has ditched Samsung/Bosch's electric batteries for Toyota's. I have not looked into their other new fields...
 

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Techrader updates their s4 review:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-1137602/review

"Talk all you want about the benefits and colour saturation of LCD – the Samsung Galaxy S4 is leagues ahead when it comes to jaw-dropping screens."

"We'll be mightily surprised if the combined popularity of the HTC One and Samsung Galaxy S4 don't prompt Apple into a re-tooling of the screen with the iPhone 5S or iPhone 6, as the sharpness will definitely wow users on the shelves."
 
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grkM3

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You are using "Samsung Mobile" and "Samsung Electronics" interchangeably. That is likely to confuse people.

no I am not,samsung mobile is part of Samsung electronics.

Samsung as a whole is worth the amount I said and Samsung is still Samsung.The wiki page I posted had a total asset worth of 347 billion and that was back in 2011 before there gains from the galaxy s3 line

just the 3 Samsung products I posted above have the company worth 285-305 billion market cap and that is because one source is saying Samsung electronics is at 220 billion and another at 200

here are some of samsungs products

Products Apparel, chemicals, consumer electronics, electronic components, medical equipment, precision instruments, semiconductors, ships, telecommunications equipment

Samsung can make chips for all and not just apple,samsung has a very close relationship now with QUALCOMM and Im betting you the second apple leaves Samsung they will make snapdragon socs in one of there fabs.

Samsung also makes its own soc as you know called the exynos and they have always been the leader in arm cores and could easily sell that to there comps.Can you imagine the iphone 6 to use an exynos soc?

I like how you brought up an article back from 2011,did you happen to look how much net profit sasmung has made from that point on?

they just invested in sharp and now own 3% of the company to save them from going under and apple is using Samsung still as they know everyone else cant keep up with there demand and they tried LG for there retina MacBook pro screen and they were JUNK,there is a class action lawsuit against apple right now for using LG screens instead of Samsung

bottom line is apple needs Samsung 10x more then Samsung needs Apple.

I cant wait to post the profit gains next year with the note 3 and gs4 sales in there,carphone warehouse in the uk already said there is 4 times the numbers of pre orders they had during the gs3 launch.Samsung said they have built enough gs4s to sustain 10 million a month and will not have a shortage like they did with the gs3 when launched
 
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grkM3

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When did we get inline ads in thread posts? Lol

shhhh don't get dari all dolled up because Samsung threw a few adds in there!!!I really think he is the guy over at mac rumors that hates Samsung so much he sold his fridge and tv.

but Samsung tvs is not part of Samsung now I guess since its a different segment lol

Everyone says apple is leaving Samsung but its funny how the new apple tv box came out with a new soc and everyone ran to see if it was made from someone else and found out its a whole new chip,but made from Samsung...bam thanks apple for the new contract on making the shrunken chip for the new apple tv box!

He thinks the bigger they are the harder they will fall and mentions nothing on apple and the fact on how much the rely on Samsung.Samsung could ruin apple for at least 3 quarters if they decided hey,here is all your money you paid us to build your a6 chips for the up coming iphone 5s so have a freaking nice day trying to have another fab build this chip and supply you with 70 million socs.Then good luck if you can find a fab to do it and the soc running right and not consuming crazy power and running hot as hell.

maybe they could ask amd to build it for them,thats right they don't have fabs any more,wait lets run to intel...sorry we don't build chips for our competitors would you like to buy our new atom chip? lol ya Samsung is going down ha
 
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Apparently JPeyton (the person who derailed this thread), thinks it's splendid for one company to have such a powerful command of one nation's economy. If ever there was a company that was too big to fail, it's Samsung. But fail they will. Not because they may make a mistake, but because it's simply inevitable. Here is one simple way. The bigger a company is the more it has to grow in order to stand still. It simply cannot rest or else it will die. That is why Samsung is spending its money by going into new industries. As it goes into ever more industries it starts to lose focus of its core industries. It also starts to hear complaints from owners (re: shareholders) about ROI. If firms don't see what they want to see they start taking their money out for more nimble firms. What does the company do as a response? It starts selling assets, usually well-established ones in order to chase growth. Now the firm has just took the rug from under itself. It is in unchartered industries. People will question its leadership and things go from bad to worse.

Of course, no one wants to believe this now but it's a script as old as any. The bigger they are the harder they fall. This company may be seen as successful, but the way it came about that is disgusting,

link

How is mentioning the BOM cost of the GS4 (the purpose of the thread) and pointing out that a large portion of that money goes to Samsung (the manufacturer of the phone that this thread is about) derailing?
 

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How is mentioning the BOM cost of the GS4 (the purpose of the thread) and pointing out that a large portion of that money goes to Samsung (the manufacturer of the phone that this thread is about) derailing?

yup and we don't even know the retail final price yet.

the most expensive part of the phone is the screen and gee Samsung makes that also,they also make there own battery and socs!
 

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Wow... And i thought VC&G was bad.

Link to the fellow that tossed his Samsung refridgerator out!

Just an FYI:

There's no 'd' in refrigerator

However there IS a 'd' in the shorthand... fridge

The English language is awful and over time we're just making it worse.
 

Dari

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Techrader updates their s4 review:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-1137602/review

"Talk all you want about the benefits and colour saturation of LCD – the Samsung Galaxy S4 is leagues ahead when it comes to jaw-dropping screens."

"We'll be mightily surprised if the combined popularity of the HTC One and Samsung Galaxy S4 don't prompt Apple into a re-tooling of the screen with the iPhone 5S or iPhone 6, as the sharpness will definitely wow users on the shelves."

This is what I'm hoping as well. Apple needs a good shakeup or else this will be a repetition of the whole Mac-PC war again where Apple refused to listen and got left behind. People clearly enjoy larger screens.

no I am not,samsung mobile is part of Samsung electronics.

Samsung as a whole is worth the amount I said and Samsung is still Samsung.The wiki page I posted had a total asset worth of 347 billion and that was back in 2011 before there gains from the galaxy s3 line

just the 3 Samsung products I posted above have the company worth 285-305 billion market cap and that is because one source is saying Samsung electronics is at 220 billion and another at 200

here are some of samsungs products

Products Apparel, chemicals, consumer electronics, electronic components, medical equipment, precision instruments, semiconductors, ships, telecommunications equipment

Samsung can make chips for all and not just apple,samsung has a very close relationship now with QUALCOMM and Im betting you the second apple leaves Samsung they will make snapdragon socs in one of there fabs.

Samsung also makes its own soc as you know called the exynos and they have always been the leader in arm cores and could easily sell that to there comps.Can you imagine the iphone 6 to use an exynos soc?

I like how you brought up an article back from 2011,did you happen to look how much net profit sasmung has made from that point on?

they just invested in sharp and now own 3% of the company to save them from going under and apple is using Samsung still as they know everyone else cant keep up with there demand and they tried LG for there retina MacBook pro screen and they were JUNK,there is a class action lawsuit against apple right now for using LG screens instead of Samsung

bottom line is apple needs Samsung 10x more then Samsung needs Apple.

I cant wait to post the profit gains next year with the note 3 and gs4 sales in there,carphone warehouse in the uk already said there is 4 times the numbers of pre orders they had during the gs3 launch.Samsung said they have built enough gs4s to sustain 10 million a month and will not have a shortage like they did with the gs3 when launched

You make it very difficult to take you seriously when you say the market cap of Samsung Mobile is $200B when that is clearly Samsung Electronic's market cap. This is very basic knowledge and can be verified anywhere so you making this simple mistake and insisting it's not a mistake makes it difficult for me to look at any of your other posts seriously. As for Apple needing Samsung more, have you seen a teardown of their latest products? Aside from the SoC, there is rarely anything else from Samsung in them. This was the complete opposite years ago.

As for Apple needing Samsung more than Samsung needing Apple, I can almost assure this is not the case. Apple is seriously shopping around for someone to make their SoCs and that will be the last of what they get from Samsung. With Apple gone, Samsung can get other clients to take up that giant space left by Apple. But, behind closed doors, we all know what's going on. These firms are not begging Samsung to make their products. In fact, it's the opposite with Samsung, wanting to save face, is begging these firms to utilize the fabs. I am sure they are getting excellent rates as well, probably near cost.

As for The Economist article, it's a good one and talks about where Samsung is going as a company. As I mentioned earlier, they need to grow or they will start to fall. Articles like these are very common when a company is at or near the top of it's game. It's when fools (re: investors) rush in to invest. But there are major dangers because Samsung knows little about these industries even though they are related to the semiconductor industry. Samsung is learning such a lesson as the solar market has completely collapsed with even Chinese firms going out of business. Also, BMW, which currently uses a Bosch/Samsung electric battery in its vehicles, has signed MOU and other agreements with the Toyota conglomerate to work on battery tech. But, most importantly, the article shows Samsung's strategy. I'm sure Samsung's other partners/Qualcomm figured this out a while ago and started leaving the firm for rivals but it's now public knowledge (and one they are proud of). It won't work anymore.

Also, I own Samsung products, but they are components in my computer. I like what they've done for Korea and the Korean people but the government has failed to keep them in check (amongst other firms) and now they are very powerful and, one mistake, they can bring the Korean economy to its knees. This would be bad, not just for S. Korea, but also Japan since Korean firms buy a lot of products from there (S. Korea is export giant but they have a huge deficit with Japan).
 

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I'm talking about Samsung as a whole.they don't give out specific market cap for just there mobile division and Samsung as a whole is not worried about anything right now.

They are making the ultra high def screens for apples flag ship laptops and apple tried using lg and that back fired on them.

Lg is know where near Samsung in quality and that is why apple is still using Samsung.the only reason apple wants to leave them is because they hate them for there mobile division.

If anyone could of filled apples needs over Samsung apple would of dumped them in a split second.

Now that Samsung owns part of sharp they will start making the iPhone 5 screens for apple so now that sharp is part of the Samsung team where is apple going to go for screens?

I don't think you get how big Samsung is and how much money they are making with there own products.they don't need apple when they have predicted the gs4 alone this year will net them 25 billion in pure profit.

That is enough money to buy lg,nvidia and amd (they would love that since Samsung has its own fabs)and still have change left without one care about apple leaving them.
 
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dguy6789

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I love how Samsung is doing better now than it has ever done in its entire history and all forecasts suggest it to only do even better this year and someone keeps insisting that Samsung is dying lolll
 

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Any idea how bad the carrier-specific customizations are and if they are easily removable? Maybe someone from SGS3 experience? If I get the SGS4 it'll most likely be from AT&T. First carrier-branded phone I'd have in years (went from an iPhone to an international SGS2).
 

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Lifer
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I'm talking about Samsung as a whole.they don't give out specific market cap for just there mobile division and Samsung as a whole is not worried about anything right now.

They are making the ultra high def screens for apples flag ship laptops and apple tried using lg and that back fired on them.

Lg is know where near Samsung in quality and that is why apple is still using Samsung.the only reason apple wants to leave them is because they hate them for there mobile division.

If anyone could of filled apples needs over Samsung apple would of dumped them in a split second.

Now that Samsung owns part of sharp they will start making the iPhone 5 screens for apple so now that sharp is part of the Samsung team where is apple going to go for screens?

Ok, now I know you definitely don't know WTF you're talking about. This will be the last time I talk Samsung market caps with you but Samsung Telecommunications is a part of Samsung Electronics which is a part of the Samsung group. Samsung Electronics's market cap is around $200B. Samsung Telecommunications is worth, revenue-wise, 10% of Samsung Electronics. Again, all this is public information. There is no need to lie or try to deceive. It makes all your other statements suspect...
 

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Ok, now I know you definitely don't know WTF you're talking about. This will be the last time I talk Samsung market caps with you but Samsung Telecommunications is a part of Samsung Electronics which is a part of the Samsung group. Samsung Electronics's market cap is around $200B. Samsung Telecommunications is worth, revenue-wise, 10% of Samsung Electronics. Again, all this is public information. There is no need to lie or try to deceive. It makes all your other statements suspect...

I gave you 3 Samsung stocks that have there own products that put samsungs market cap combined to 285 billion.the rest of there products are not giving me there market caps but I'm sure there in the billions.

I also posted a wiki that shows Samsung's net worth assets as of 2011 to be 347 billion and that includes all of Samsung's products combined and you still post bs about Samsung.

When I said Samsung being worth 347 billion I'm talking about the whole company and not just any specific product and Samsung electronics and Samsung conductor have there own stock and market cap.just look them up
 
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I love how Samsung is doing better now than it has ever done in its entire history and all forecasts suggest it to only do even better this year and someone keeps insisting that Samsung is dying lolll

Thank you!
 

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Lifer
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I love how Samsung is doing better now than it has ever done in its entire history and all forecasts suggest it to only do even better this year and someone keeps insisting that Samsung is dying lolll

I'm an economist and I work in the finance industry. People like you can look at all the good news but it's my job to look for the bad. This allows one to better forecast. The company is probably at its pinnacle right now but there are cracks forming. Samsung is not in my field of concentration but I was offered a job there when in undergrad. Of course I declined but I've always been interested in them. In graduate school, before moving on to macroeconomics, I dabbled in development economics and S. Korea and Taiwan were two Asian "tigers" that developed differently, economics-wise. Whereas the Taiwanese government forced its firms to survive on their own, thereby keeping the country full of small, but successful, firms, S. Korea went the other route and decided to nurture national champions. The Taiwanese model allowed for diversity within the economy while the S. Korean did not and now we are seeing the consequences. The Taiwanese model allows firms to fail and new ones to take their place. In S. Korea, if a single firm fails, it can be catastrophic. But if they succeed it can be meteoric. But you cannot have success without failure...
 
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