All about Samsung Galaxy S4

[Commodus]

Right now, in mobile sizes, OLED is largely inferior -- I don't know how someone could really dispute that.

The color accuracy is still short of the mark. It tends to overemphasize certain hues (mostly red). Think of it as demo TVs' settings in the local Best Buy: there to lure you in with an exaggerated picture, not what you'd actually want. IPS-based LCDs, meanwhile, either get most or all of the typical color gamut. That's rather important when you're snapping a photo and want to know if the colors are off before you get home.

Brightness is another sore point for OLED -- while it's not terrible, OLED tends to have a lower brightness level than an equivalent LCD. I know I'd rather have an LCD on a bright day.

OLED definitely wins in black levels, but I wouldn't want perfect blacks surrounded by inaccurate hues. Don't get me wrong: a Galaxy Note II's display looks great. It's just not as good as a well-tuned IPS LCD (see the iPhone 5 or One X/One as an example).

 

[Dari]

Your telling me that a company about to release one of the most anticipated android phones using a next gen arm 15 soc and is expected to sell 100 million phones and a company that has a p/e price to earnings ratio of 9.8 is a bad buy?

investing in BBRY is a bad buy and even apple right now is a hold stock

Yes I am. Samsung is a conglomerate. They are not Apple. They have a lot of baggage. A lot. And they are slowly losing Apple as a customer. They are behind in next-generation OLED televisions. The 4K tv they announced was reported to be $40K. That's $15K more than SONY's and $20K more than LG's. The regular LCD market is collapsing. On the shipbuilding side they are quickly moving upmarket because of incoming Chinese firms. The smartphone market is becoming saturated and, worse of all, Samsung does not report sales, only milestones. The sales numbers are done by analyst and, when Samsung is forced to give sales numbers, it is usually 1/2 to 1/3 of what analyst said it was...

 

[dawheat]

You are confusing OLED for small screens and OLED for larger screens. The tech behind the two are different. You cannot just scale up, lol. If you could, Samsung would be the leader in OLED televisions, not LG. And they would be producing millions and they would have shipped last year, before LG and they would have the superior OLED tv (they don't).

You constantly give the impression you believe that if you're not #1 in a market, you suck and should basically give up. LG does seem to have a leg up in the short term, but both LG and Samsung are way ahead of the pack compared to pretty much any other manufacturer.

I haven't followed OLED TVs too much, but from I last heard, Samsung's approach was having yield issues, even if it was technically a 'superior' technology. They seem to be moving to a short term cross-licensing approach while they continue their development.

If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Samsung selling more OLED TVs in 2014 than LG - they know how to execute.

 

[grkM3]

Yes I am. Samsung is a conglomerate. They are not Apple. They have a lot of baggage. A lot. And they are slowly losing Apple as a customer. They are behind in next-generation OLED televisions. The 4K tv they announced was reported to be $40K. That's $15K more than SONY's and $20K more than LG's. The regular LCD market is collapsing. On the shipbuilding side they are quickly moving upmarket because of incoming Chinese firms. The smartphone market is becoming saturated and, worse of all, Samsung does not report sales, only milestones. The sales numbers are done by analyst and, when Samsung is forced to give sales numbers, it is usually 1/2 to 1/3 of what analyst said it was...

Im not investing in them long term,I have it all setup right now and pulling the trigger tom morning and seeing where is goes up to the event they have on the 14th.

Samsung is now a part owner of sharp as they just saved them from going under and gave them 110 million for 3% of the company and that is who makes the iphone screens

Its 1500 a share right now

 

[Dari]

You constantly give the impression you believe that if you're not #1 in a market, you suck and should basically give up. LG does seem to have a leg up in the short term, but both LG and Samsung are way ahead of the pack compared to pretty much any other manufacturer.

I haven't followed OLED TVs too much, but from I last heard, Samsung's approach was having yield issues, even if it was technically a 'superior' technology. They seem to be moving to a short term cross-licensing approach while they continue their development.

If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Samsung selling more OLED TVs in 2014 than LG - they know how to execute.

I don't know how you got that impression. Also, considering the fact that LG is the only one shipping large screen OLED TVs, they may be ahead in manufacturing but SONY, Panasonic, and AUO are right there in terms of development. They plan on producing 4K OLEDs next year so it'll be at a different level from LG's (and Samsung's if they ever get their yield up).

Samsung's is not superior, at least not according to Displaymate:
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[jiffylube1024]

Yes I am. Samsung is a conglomerate. They are not Apple. They have a lot of baggage. A lot. And they are slowly losing Apple as a customer. They are behind in next-generation OLED televisions. The 4K tv they announced was reported to be $40K. That's $15K more than SONY's and $20K more than LG's. The regular LCD market is collapsing. On the shipbuilding side they are quickly moving upmarket because of incoming Chinese firms. The smartphone market is becoming saturated and, worse of all, Samsung does not report sales, only milestones. The sales numbers are done by analyst and, when Samsung is forced to give sales numbers, it is usually 1/2 to 1/3 of what analyst said it was...

Pff. Like 4k will sell in any kind of volume in the next 2-4 years. Whether their TV is $25 grand or $40 grand makes little difference. Nobody is buying those things; they're novelties with little to no content right now.

As for being behind in next gen OLED thechnology - Behind to who? Nobody is shipping them right now. Should we worry about Toshiba's SED TV's too? The LCD market isn't collapsing at all, although it is heading on an unsustainable path long term - 46" TV's have given way for 55", 60" and even 70+ LCD's. there is a practical limit that most people can fit in their tv watching space, although I'm sure if it was an option people would find a way to fit 70" or even 80" TV's in their living rooms...

Samsung has succeeded beyond their wildest dream in making Galaxy a household name. I agree that the smartphone market is getting saturated, but I can't help but feel that the GS IV will be a hot seller, just like the GS3 and iPhone 4, 4S & 5.

 

[dawheat]

Yes I am. Samsung is a conglomerate. They are not Apple. They have a lot of baggage. A lot. And they are slowly losing Apple as a customer. They are behind in next-generation OLED televisions. The 4K tv they announced was reported to be $40K. That's $15K more than SONY's and $20K more than LG's. The regular LCD market is collapsing. On the shipbuilding side they are quickly moving upmarket because of incoming Chinese firms. The smartphone market is becoming saturated and, worse of all, Samsung does not report sales, only milestones. The sales numbers are done by analyst and, when Samsung is forced to give sales numbers, it is usually 1/2 to 1/3 of what analyst said it was...

Dunno - Samsung electronics reported 6.6 billion in profit last quarter. Whatever your sales numbers are, you can't hide revenue and income.

As the smartphone market saturates (which is certainly is), I'd be far more concerned about Apple as a disproportionate percentage of their profit (is it still 2/3?) is from the iPhone. They're coming up to a 'tock' update with the 5S, and unless they seriously break with tradition (which seems unlikely under Cook), it's going to be an evolution of the current 4" phone.

Unless they're careful, in a year or two they may be Microsoft from 7 years ago - turning from a growth company into a slowly growing but highly profitable company that keeps its stock supported by larger dividends.

 

[dawheat]

I don't know how you got that impression. Also, considering the fact that LG is the only one shipping large screen OLED TVs, they may be ahead in manufacturing but SONY, Panasonic, and AUO are right there in terms of development. They plan on producing 4K OLEDs next year so it'll be at a different level from LG's (and Samsung's if they ever get their yield up).

Samsung's is not superior, at least not according to Displaymate:
link

You've posted that link a couple times, but all it shows is one person's anecdotal impressions at a trade show. Whether Samsung intentionally chose to set their panel to be overly saturated for the trade show (it would have some visual impact to the layperson) or whether it's an attribute of the panel itself is unknown. To quote "its color saturation was turned up so high that it was beyond gaudy and into visually repulsive territory".

The article author himself later wrote: " In my opinion both displays were magnificent, I wasn't really able to tell which one I liked more." Even if the LG is superior (which it certainly seems to be from a commercial readiness standpoint), the commercial OLED market is in it's infancy and most people won't spend more than 1-2K on a TV. It's a decade long run coming up.

 

[grkM3]

I don't think Samsung has any loose baggage and they are in the top 10 of the worlds richest companies right now,I just read there total assest are worth over 337 billion.

They post numbers in pdfs on there web site also and they are doing very well right now.

 

[lothar]

Invest your money wisely. Conglomerates don't have a good track record when it comes to market value. Also, the company is extremely large, which makes it susceptible to political-economic movements.

Absolute nonsense.
Tell that to the people that invested in Berkshire Hathaway Inc, Leucadia National Corp, Fairfax Financial, Markel Corp, and Loews.

 

[lothar]

Im not investing in them long term,I have it all setup right now and pulling the trigger tom morning and seeing where is goes up to the event they have on the 14th.

Samsung is now a part owner of sharp as they just saved them from going under and gave them 110 million for 3% of the company and that is who makes the iphone screens

Its 1500 a share right now

If you're day trading, then you deserve to lose your shirt.

 

[grkM3]

If you're day trading, then you deserve to lose your shirt.

more like 2 month trading and holding until the note 3 comes out

and whats wrong with day trading on a stock that is about to have a major launch event? the stock is going to be all over the place come the 14th when everyone finally gets to see what the gs4 is all about.

I can see the stock going up 10% just from the hype just like BBRY spiked when they went live

 

[Dari]

Absolute nonsense.
Tell that to the people that invested in Berkshire Hathaway Inc, Leucadia National Corp, Fairfax Financial, Markel Corp, and Loews.

Come on, those are holding companies and they are a conglomerate in so far as they own a portion of different companies. They don't actually run a lot of those firms and the firms they're certainly not the classic conglomerate like GE, Samsung, or the countless other companies in east Asia.

 

[Dari]

I don't think Samsung has any loose baggage and they are in the top 10 of the worlds richest companies right now,I just read there total assest are worth over 337 billion.

They post numbers in pdfs on there web site also and they are doing very well right now.

Fine. It's your money. You sound like the Facebook fans before their IPO...

 

[Dari]

more like 2 month trading and holding until the note 3 comes out

and whats wrong with day trading on a stock that is about to have a major launch event? the stock is going to be all over the place come the 14th when everyone finally gets to see what the gs4 is all about.

I can see the stock going up 10% just from the hype just like BBRY spiked when they went live

Why would you even trade now when the announcement is in a couple of days? This is something you should've done from the fall of 2012...

 

[grkM3]

Why would you even trade now when the announcement is in a couple of days? This is something you should've done from the fall of 2012...

its not that easy as most us stock firms wont let you trade and even if they do they have strict guidelines in buying greymarket stocks,I should have but I still think the stock has 10% gains in the next few months.

It would of been great if I actually got in right before the gs3.I just don't want to miss this boat again because I really do think the gs4 will do insanely well.

 

[grkM3]

Fine. It's your money. You sound like the Facebook fans before their IPO...

I actually did well with face book,at first I bought in at 31.75 and then bought again at 23 ish and sold right at 32 and some change,Ill admit I was worried for a bit but Samsung is not FB

You cant compare them at all and Samsung is at least reporting 6 billion net profit quarters and has something new coming out while facebook is just sitting there not really doing much to gain more add profits

The sad part is I knew Samsung was going to invest in sharp and there shares jumped 17% when the deal happened

 

[StrangerGuy]

Pff. Like 4k will sell in any kind of volume in the next 2-4 years. Whether their TV is $25 grand or $40 grand makes little difference. Nobody is buying those things; they're novelties with little to no content right now.

As for being behind in next gen OLED thechnology - Behind to who? Nobody is shipping them right now. Should we worry about Toshiba's SED TV's too? The LCD market isn't collapsing at all, although it is heading on an unsustainable path long term - 46" TV's have given way for 55", 60" and even 70+ LCD's. there is a practical limit that most people can fit in their tv watching space, although I'm sure if it was an option people would find a way to fit 70" or even 80" TV's in their living rooms...

Samsung has succeeded beyond their wildest dream in making Galaxy a household name. I agree that the smartphone market is getting saturated, but I can't help but feel that the GS IV will be a hot seller, just like the GS3 and iPhone 4, 4S & 5.

Phones have always been status symbols which TVs will never be. Even before the age of smartphones just look at how many bought into the RAZR craze just because it looked cool for mere calls and SMS.

 

[grkM3]

This is BS because its a BB stock I have to wait 3 days before buying

 

[badb0y]

look it up,they had a market cap of like 627 billion and it went to crap since the launch of the iphone 5.

I think they broke the record of losing the most money ever lol

Wrong terminology because market cap is simply the share price times the number of shares. Do you think Apple lost money because their share price dropped? No they actually posted a profit and have something like $130+ billion in bank.

 

[grkM3]

Wrong terminology because market cap is simply the share price times the number of shares. Do you think Apple lost money because their share price dropped? No they actually posted a profit and have something like $130+ billion in bank.

Yeah the actually did lose a shit load of money and went from the number 1 most valuable company to number 2.

They lost share price from long term investers dumping there stocks.that money in the bank is now going back to the share holders and apple will give out cash dividends to help stop the bleeding.

And thanks for the 101 on how to calculate market cap but did you also know that's what the company is worth?

 

[Dari]

I actually did well with face book,at first I bought in at 31.75 and then bought again at 23 ish and sold right at 32 and some change,Ill admit I was worried for a bit but Samsung is not FB

You cant compare them at all and Samsung is at least reporting 6 billion net profit quarters and has something new coming out while facebook is just sitting there not really doing much to gain more add profits

The sad part is I knew Samsung was going to invest in sharp and there shares jumped 17% when the deal happened

A lot of that profit has to be reinvested in the capital-intensive industries they are in...

 

[MrX8503]

I'll throw my hat into the ring. Despite the naysayers, dguy is right: OLED is the display technology of the future.

While OLED is steadily advancing towards better color reproduction (thus addressing the primary complaint of OLED screens), IPS will never be able to address it's one major flaw: it requires a backlight.

Transmissive displays are old tech. And as we unarguably march towards thinner displays, more power efficient displays, and maleable/bendable displays, OLED will become the defacto standard.

You can't envision it now, simply because we're used to carrying around 2013-sized smartphones; the advantages of an OLED screen aren't maximized right now with current phone designs.

So technically Dari is only half-wrong. Current Samsung's OLED smartphone screens aren't superior on an overall scale to certain competing IPS displays, but they are approaching parity very quickly, and the future of smartphone design will force all manufacturers to abandon IPS screens.

OLEDs may be the future, but that future isn't here yet considering how immature the tech is. Display mate rated the iPhone 5 IPS as the best.

sorry I ment total net profit from the gs3s launch to now and was making over 20 billing in sales per quarter.

Either way there market cap went from 160B to almost 230B in less then a year and will prolly break 300B with the gs4 and note 3 this year

I am in the middle of setting up an account on the London stock exchange to put about 10k into Samsung as I know they will kill this year with the gs4 and note 3

And Apple's total net profit is even more. The iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S individually sold more than the GS3.

Both companies are doing well.

 

[Chaptorial]

From 52samsung.com Supposed to be shots of the new S4:

 

[WelshBloke]

Not convinced by those photos.

I think it will look similar but that looks more like a note from the back with the speaker at the bottom.