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WelshBloke

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So I was pretty underwhelmed by the Samsung S4 announcement. I was particularly impressed by the HTC One but the Samsung S4 simply didn't get me excited or interested for reasons that I'm sure are pretty shallow and wouldn't hold up against an enthusiasts questioning. But that's my opinion and I'll stand by it until I see a detailed review of the S4.

I will say that I'm not in the market for a new phone until Googe's IO conference when I'll see what they announce, and I'm a little disturbed by this trend of increasing smartphone sizes. I thought the iPhone 4 size was roughly where I want a phone to be and this new trendline of increasing sizes is starting to leave me as a consumer behind. All of the smaller phones have worse specs compared to the flagship big ones, but I can barely fit my current smartphone in the pocket of my running shorts as it is so that leaves me looking at less than ideal options or a mini-tablet in my pocket.

You should like this one then as its smaller than its predecessor.

Even if it is only a couple of MMs.
 

gorcorps

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We heard all this talk about how 5" screen was going to be too big, Note sized, etc before last night. I haven't read one peep about the size since last night. I guess Samsung shut those people up by squeezing 1080p 5" screen in something smaller than SG3 body.

Well yeah... no shit

When you hear a rumor that the next version of a phone is going to have a larger screen, why wouldn't you think the phone would be larger? Sticking a larger screen on a smaller footprint isn't something anybody really expected so of course opinions change. What is your point?
 

ChronoReverse

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yeah, everyone is giving kudos to Samsung for pulling that off as they should but it's kinda fair to be concerned about the GS4 being too big when we didn't have that information yet.
 

Red Storm

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I remember quite a few posters here mentioning that the larger screen would easily be possible by doing things like eliminating more bezel or going software keys. However they were mostly drowned out by the "OMG bigger display always = bigger phone!" crowd.


Edit: Interesting article from Engadget... http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/15/samsung-htc-design-marketing-battle/#comments

And in more germane terms, there's presently no rhyme or reason why HTC has continually outgunned Samsung in terms of design prowess, yet continues to bleed cash while its Korean rival mints it. Actually, there is a reason. It's called marketing.

So apparently the only thing that makes a phone better is material design, while the only thing that leads to sales is marketing. Never mind any and all software or hardware features.
 
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pm

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The Galaxy S4 did decrease in size compared to the Galaxy S3.

You should like this one then as its smaller than its predecessor. Even if it is only a couple of MMs.

Hmmm. I didn't see that. I think I mixed up the dimensions of the S4 and the S3 when I was looking at the list and I thought the S4 was a bit bigger, not a bit smaller. Cool. Thanks for the correction - it makes me a bit happier about the future.
 

s44

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Sticking a larger screen on a smaller footprint isn't something anybody really expected
Well exactly. And they substantially *increased* battery size at the same time.

And yet people are claiming the design sucks, has nothing new, etc.
 

poofyhairguy

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All of the smaller phones have worse specs compared to the flagship big ones

At some point you have to think that midrange will still be so powerful (like basically a five month old flagship) that it will be a worthwhile option to go that route.
 

WelshBloke

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Hmmm. I didn't see that. I think I mixed up the dimensions of the S4 and the S3 when I was looking at the list and I thought the S4 was a bit bigger, not a bit smaller. Cool. Thanks for the correction - it makes me a bit happier about the future.

I doubt that they will be able to make it any smaller in future without shrinking the screen though.
 

bonkers325

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So apparently the only thing that makes a phone better is material design, while the only thing that leads to sales is marketing. Never mind any and all software or hardware features.

When I think of HTC, I think of horrible battery life. This has been the case for most of their phones up until very recently, which unfortunately means about 3 years of pushing out smartphones with horrific battery life. That is along the same vein of RIM pushing antiquated hardware and software for the past 3 years, with the main difference that RIM actively worked to change their bad image with about two years worth of BB10 teasers.
 

s44

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All of the smaller phones have worse specs compared to the flagship big ones, but I can barely fit my current smartphone in the pocket of my running shorts as it is so that leaves me looking at less than ideal options or a mini-tablet in my pocket.
This probably belongs in another thread, but there was video of a Moto phone leaked recently:
720p screen about the same vertical as the iPhone 5 (my guess is this is the GNex panel, perhaps revised/improved), plus on-screen buttons
minimal bezel
quad Krait
2GB RAM
2200mah battery

Razr M HD?
 

ChronoReverse

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When I think of HTC, I think of horrible battery life. This has been the case for most of their phones up until very recently, which unfortunately means about 3 years of pushing out smartphones with horrific battery life.

Pretty much. Even when they went fully sealed they STILL didn't get it. If you're going to have non-removeable batteries why on earth would it be of LOWER capacity than your competitor's removeable battery?
 

Eug

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Edit: Interesting article from Engadget... http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/15/samsung-htc-design-marketing-battle/#comments



So apparently the only thing that makes a phone better is material design, while the only thing that leads to sales is marketing. Never mind any and all software or hardware features.
HTC has terrible marketing IMO, and Samsung's marketing is excellent. In fact, reports put Samsung's marketing budget as the biggest in the world for smartphones, significantly higher than Apple's. That surprised me actually.

Well yeah... no shit

When you hear a rumor that the next version of a phone is going to have a larger screen, why wouldn't you think the phone would be larger? Sticking a larger screen on a smaller footprint isn't something anybody really expected so of course opinions change. What is your point?
Motorola went from 4.3" to 4.7" and kept the phone size about the same. In fact, the width was narrowed by 1 mm.

RAZR (540p 4.3")
Dimensions 130.7 x 68.9 x 7.1 mm (5.15 x 2.71 x 0.28 in)

RAZR HD (720p 4.7")
Dimensions 131.9 x 67.9 x 8.4 mm (5.19 x 2.67 x 0.33 in)

What I want though is a 4.3" 720p phone that's significantly narrower. They did release a smaller 540p 4.3" version with otherwise top of the line specs last year, so I'm hoping for a 720p 4.3" version this year.
 
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Oyeve

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Motorola went from 4.3" to 4.7" and kept the phone size about the same. In fact, the width was narrowed by 1 mm.

RAZR (540p 4.3")
Dimensions 130.7 x 68.9 x 7.1 mm (5.15 x 2.71 x 0.28 in)

RAZR HD (720p 4.7")
Dimensions 131.9 x 67.9 x 8.4 mm (5.19 x 2.67 x 0.33 in)

Thats because the Razr had a shitload of bezel space to begin with. In fact, thats why I sold mine recently. It had a huge bezel space on every side. No wonder they could put in a larger screen in the M and HD versions, it had plenty of space to work with from the begining
 
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Insomniator

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What I want though is a 4.3" 720p phone that's significantly narrower. They did release a smaller 540p 4.3" version with otherwise top of the line specs last year, so I'm hoping for a 720p 4.3" version this year.

HTC Rezound

But I think the GS4 might make me replace my rezound even if it is much bigger... this or one of those cheaper tegra phones mentioned since I need to buy off contract to maintain verizon unlimited.
 

Shlong

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HTC has terrible marketing IMO, and Samsung's marketing is excellent. In fact, reports put Samsung's marketing budget as the biggest in the world for smartphones, significantly higher than Apple's. That surprised me actually.


Motorola went from 4.3" to 4.7" and kept the phone size about the same. In fact, the width was narrowed by 1 mm.

RAZR (540p 4.3")
Dimensions 130.7 x 68.9 x 7.1 mm (5.15 x 2.71 x 0.28 in)

RAZR HD (720p 4.7")
Dimensions 131.9 x 67.9 x 8.4 mm (5.19 x 2.67 x 0.33 in)

What I want though is a 4.3" 720p phone that's significantly narrower. They did release a smaller 540p 4.3" version with otherwise top of the line specs last year, so I'm hoping for a 720p 4.3" version this year.

For marketing, I see a lot of Samsung products being advertised in sports venues (arenas / stadiums), I don't recall ever seeing one for Apple. I remember watching a Soccer match in Europe and it said brought to you by the new Samsung Galaxy Note 2, so it's not surprising that their marketing budget is huge, I think Samsung was the main sponsor of the London Olympics.
 

ponyo

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I just read Swiftkey keyboard technology will be integrated into the S4 Touchwiz keyboard. So Swiftkey now powers the new BB10 keyboard and S4.
 

KK

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has there been any dates announced when the us carriers will be offering the phone?
 

lopri

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Hmmm. I didn't see that. I think I mixed up the dimensions of the S4 and the S3 when I was looking at the list and I thought the S4 was a bit bigger, not a bit smaller. Cool. Thanks for the correction - it makes me a bit happier about the future.

That's what shocked me as well. And they did it while making the screen twice bigger (resolution-wise) and then had a room for larger removable battery (2600 mah instead of 2100 mah) .. I will have more to say when I get home.

Edit: Oh and it's less rounded than S3. I couldn't believe it when I saw the comparison pics.

Edit 2: And one more shock before I leave work. Two people came up to me and showed their interests in the S4. They are those who we nerds generally refer to as "average Joes" and also the ones who I had previously tried to convert to Android (or at least to contract-free services) without success. Never before these two had any interest in new phones other than new iPhones. It was a real-life moment that showed me how strong Samsung's marketing arms were. It's kind of scary..
 
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Fire&Blood

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Someone mentioned that there will no cases for the phone because of less bezel, I beg to differ. At worst, the bad case makers will be exposed.

Ideally, a phone shouldn't even have enough space for a frontal logo, HTC's design language is so recognizable that they don't really need a frontal logo and if I had my way, all phones would have logos on the back. Some may argue that further reduction of bezel instantly handicaps ability to touch edges but that occurs once the display covers more than 95% of the surface but the average phone is in low 80's so I hope others follow Samsung's lead. I hope KLP helps out because looking at real+virtual bezel on my N4 makes me think they could have easily squeezed a 5" display in there without increasing overall size.

Unfortunately, S4 and One sales won't reflect the parity. Obviously there are individual reasons to prefer one over the other but no one can seriously claim is far behind the S4. I hope HTC stays in the game because even if I don't buy their devices, as a consumer I benefit from their contribution to competition, it will be a huge loss and a sad day for Android if HTC steps out.
 
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