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rituraj

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OBLAMA2009 said:
imma pradick right now dat detectin' all da hand and eye moshuns on gs4 gonna cill batarie life

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krumme

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His test show the IP5 (could be ip4/s3), to be as good as an 2-3 years old 100usd p&s.

My experience says its a stretch in some fairly common real world scenarios:

1. If you take pictures indoors and use the blitz, the led light on the phone makes the pictures far worse than the real stuff on the p&s - or lumia 808 as an exception.

2. If you take pictures outside in bright sunshine the bsi sensor of the ip5 or s3, will give you those way over exposed areas. You can correct a lot of the problem with the HDR, but the pictures still suffer, and HDR gives the pictures som artificial look.

Thats not to say the phones are bad. They make people take pictures, far better and more dynamic situations than before. Add the really good video, and that you have access to it when you bring your phone - and the sharing - is just a huge advantage.

But if you have an decent P&S dont leave it at home on you next vacation thinking the phone is good enough.
 

lopri

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http://youtu.be/NIOQxZih9zE?t=50s

Look how laggy the transitions are. The whole ui in that particular video is no way as quick as stock.

Google should really do something about Android's widgets drawer. Mindless developers dump widgets without giving users options, and on system level Android apparently grabs them real-time when a user is navigating widgets drawer.

And yeah, if someone wants to show how "laggy" Android is, that's probably easiest place to go.
 

lopri

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Well, but speed/firmware notwithstanding, in my opinion Android needs to give more controls of widgets to users. Especially the system's widgets drawer.

Edit: The reason being that a few developers can't seem to contain themselves. Most developers are sensible and considerate not to go overboard with widgets and some are even better, giving users complete control of widgets (numbers, sizes, etc,.). Unfortunately, there are idiotic developers who develop an app and are so proud that they have to sprinkle bazillion widgets of different sizes for every petty function of an app. Users currently have no choice but to deal with those, afaik. (correct me if I'm mistaken)
 
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podspi

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As for optics on the phones.

Anand have the best writer on earth here, Brian. From:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6777/understanding-camera-optics-smartphone-camera-trends/3


"The current generation of modern pixels is around 1.1 microns square, basically any 13 MP smartphone is shipping 1.1 microns, like the Optimus G, and interestingly enough others are using 1.1 microns at 8 MP to drive thinner modules, like the thinner Optimus G option or Nexus 4. The previous generation of 8 MP sensors were using 1.4 micron pixels, and before that at 5 MP we were talking 1.65 or 1.75 micron pixels. Those are pretty tiny pixels, and if you stop and think about a wave of very red light at around 700nm, we’re talking about 1.5 waves with 1.1 micron pixels, around 2 waves at 1.4 microns, and so forth. There’s really not much smaller you can go, it doesn’t make sense to go smaller than one wave."

What i can read from this is, we are nearly at the end of the road for the mpix madness. After the next generation giving us perhaps 20 mpix, they can only improve quality. Marketing will hate it , but there is hope in 2 years !

Nah, now you can report pixel size or sensor size. Nobody will understand what they're talking about (just like now), but bigger is better!
 

krumme

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Nah, now you can report pixel size or sensor size. Nobody will understand what they're talking about (just like now), but bigger is better!

You are probably right. The ip4s to ip5 shows its sometimes one and a half step forward and one back. But there is generally huge progress up till now, lets hope it continues. What is important is to remember to trust our own experience.
 

ChronoReverse

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Well, but speed/firmware notwithstanding, in my opinion Android needs to give more controls of widgets to users. Especially the system's widgets drawer.

Edit: The reason being that a few developers can't seem to contain themselves. Most developers are sensible and considerate not to go overboard with widgets and some are even better, giving users complete control of widgets (numbers, sizes, etc,.). Unfortunately, there are idiotic developers who develop an app and are so proud that they have to sprinkle bazillion widgets of different sizes for every petty function of an app. Users currently have no choice but to deal with those, afaik. (correct me if I'm mistaken)

This is why I use Nova Launcher (any custom launcher besides Sense/Touchwiz). They gather up and group the widgets together.

So instead of 100 widgets from StupidAppXYZ, you have to click StupidAppXYZ before all 100 show up.
 

lopri

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That's unfortunate. I could understand system-level functions such as gesture detection, Smart Pause, or Smart Hover (?) may not be easily detachable, but I don't see why stuff like weather app, calorie burn app, or reader app, etc,. cannot be left up to users.

Besides which, some of S-apps overlap with Android's built-in functions or Google's native apps. I don't know how S4 handles this but this means a user have to have 2 apps that do the same thing.. ? And what if there comes a better one on Play store? Have 3 ~ 4 apps that do the same?
 

poofyhairguy

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I don't see situations where I am gonna use those other sensors.

I don't really care about humidity or temp (if my wife died no one would touch the thermostat in my house ever again). I won't use the IR as I have an XBMC remote app on my phone. I won't use any of it.

Or maybe that is what I am preemptively telling myself because I know that stuff will never work in CM ROMs.
 

dagamer34

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His test show the IP5 (could be ip4/s3), to be as good as an 2-3 years old 100usd p&s.

My experience says its a stretch in some fairly common real world scenarios:

1. If you take pictures indoors and use the blitz, the led light on the phone makes the pictures far worse than the real stuff on the p&s - or lumia 808 as an exception.

2. If you take pictures outside in bright sunshine the bsi sensor of the ip5 or s3, will give you those way over exposed areas. You can correct a lot of the problem with the HDR, but the pictures still suffer, and HDR gives the pictures som artificial look.

Thats not to say the phones are bad. They make people take pictures, far better and more dynamic situations than before. Add the really good video, and that you have access to it when you bring your phone - and the sharing - is just a huge advantage.

But if you have an decent P&S dont leave it at home on you next vacation thinking the phone is good enough.

I honestly don't know why on earth someone needs a 13MP photo if they're going to be posting it on Facebook.
 

WelshBloke

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I'm kinda jealous about the IR blaster. I rarely lose my phone but the kids are always losing the remotes.
 

bearxor

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His test show the IP5 (could be ip4/s3), to be as good as an 2-3 years old 100usd p&s.

My experience says its a stretch in some fairly common real world scenarios:

1. If you take pictures indoors and use the blitz, the led light on the phone makes the pictures far worse than the real stuff on the p&s - or lumia 808 as an exception.

2. If you take pictures outside in bright sunshine the bsi sensor of the ip5 or s3, will give you those way over exposed areas. You can correct a lot of the problem with the HDR, but the pictures still suffer, and HDR gives the pictures som artificial look.

Thats not to say the phones are bad. They make people take pictures, far better and more dynamic situations than before. Add the really good video, and that you have access to it when you bring your phone - and the sharing - is just a huge advantage.

But if you have an decent P&S dont leave it at home on you next vacation thinking the phone is good enough.

I only really agree with you about the indoor flash issue. Often times, if I'm doing a quick portrait in low light indoors, ill borrow my wife's camera, turn on the flashlight, hold it above my head a little bit in the direction I need light and then have the exposure adjust to the extra light. I could probably accomplish this same effect with an LED flashlight on my keychain. Bottom line really is that it doesn't matter if its an iPhone, an S3 or a Lumia 920, LED flashes on devices suck.

Other than that, I'm able to pretty quickly manipulate exposure and focus outdoors to make most pictures to my liking. Granted, if I still did photography fo a living, the phone would be the device of last resort. But for the ultra vast majority, the cameras on devices have been "good enough" for a couple of years.
 

zerocool84

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I don't see situations where I am gonna use those other sensors.

I don't really care about humidity or temp (if my wife died no one would touch the thermostat in my house ever again). I won't use the IR as I have an XBMC remote app on my phone. I won't use any of it.

Or maybe that is what I am preemptively telling myself because I know that stuff will never work in CM ROMs.

Tons of people will though, an exercise nut friend of time heard about that and thought it was really cool and you always keep your cellphone on you but people lose phones and batteries die all the time.
 

WelshBloke

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... Bottom line really is that it doesn't matter if its an iPhone, an S3 or a Lumia 920, LED flashes on devices suck.
...

Thats the truth, about the only thing LED flashes are good for is to use as an emergency torch if you drop your car keys or as a light when recording video if the subject is within a very narrow range of distance away.
 

s44

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Thats the truth, about the only thing LED flashes are good for is to use as an emergency torch if you drop your car keys or as a light when recording video if the subject is within a very narrow range of distance away.
Reading programs at dark concert halls or menus in dark restaurants.

(This is what my parents use 'em for anyway.)
 

antef

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Samsung's lack of attention to usability and good design is a pathetic joke. STILL keeping the Gingerbread-era capacitive Menu key? It presents an awful experience. I have heard some people say they prefer it, but several are misinformed thinking that without that key they can't access those extra features at all, which of course isn't true. The only other argument I've heard for keeping it is that it's easier to reach at the bottom than at the top in the action bar. The problems are numerous though. Several apps have screens without an "overflow" menu at all, so that key does nothing. But in other screens it will do something. Try explaining that to a new user. If you're not touching the screen, it's not even lit! So you search the screen looking for the option you want, forgetting that you actually have to hit that dark area in the lower-left of the phone to see it. Not to mention stuffing Google Now and app switching behind the home button. It's just horrible and sad that this is the experience so many new users will get.

The abundance of S-features also represents this problem. Including S-Voice AND Google Now is bad design - Samsung is prioritizing shoving their own features down people's throats at the cost of simplicity and the user experience. A new user in a store might wonder why these two seemingly-overlapping features are both present. All the sales rep would be able to say is "One is Samsung's version, one is Google's." Imagine such an atrocity of user experience on an Apple device. Who would want to waste battery keeping the front camera on all the time just so you don't have to pause videos or scroll manually?

I'm an Android user, I have two Nexus devices, both built by Samsung, so I appreciate what they've done and it's nice to see an Android vendor achieve such mainstream success, I just wish it wasn't someone that shit all over the Android experience so badly.
 

zerocool84

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Samsung's lack of attention to usability and good design is a pathetic joke. STILL keeping the Gingerbread-era capacitive Menu key? It presents an awful experience. I have heard some people say they prefer it, but several are misinformed thinking that without that key they can't access those extra features at all, which of course isn't true. The only other argument I've heard for keeping it is that it's easier to reach at the bottom than at the top in the action bar. The problems are numerous though. Several apps have screens without an "overflow" menu at all, so that key does nothing. But in other screens it will do something. Try explaining that to a new user. If you're not touching the screen, it's not even lit! So you search the screen looking for the option you want, forgetting that you actually have to hit that dark area in the lower-left of the phone to see it. Not to mention stuffing Google Now and app switching behind the home button. It's just horrible and sad that this is the experience so many new users will get.

The abundance of S-features also represents this problem. Including S-Voice AND Google Now is bad design - Samsung is prioritizing shoving their own features down people's throats at the cost of simplicity and the user experience. A new user in a store might wonder why these two seemingly-overlapping features are both present. All the sales rep would be able to say is "One is Samsung's version, one is Google's." Imagine such an atrocity of user experience on an Apple device. Who would want to waste battery keeping the front camera on all the time just so you don't have to pause videos or scroll manually?

I'm an Android user, I have two Nexus devices, both built by Samsung, so I appreciate what they've done and it's nice to see an Android vendor achieve such mainstream success, I just wish it wasn't someone that shit all over the Android experience so badly.

Don't like it buy, keep buying Nexus devices. It's not like you have to have it their way, you can buy other phones where you like the experience so they're not shoving it down your throat as the only option.
 

antef

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Don't like it buy, keep buying Nexus devices. It's not like you have to have it their way, you can buy other phones where you like the experience so they're not shoving it down your throat as the only option.

Of course, but what I said was it's "sad that this is the experience so many new users will get." Most people's only experience with Android is via the Samsung Galaxy line, and it does not represent the best ease of use and simplicity that Android can offer. It's cluttered and hard to figure out for a new user. The only way Samsung gets people interested is with their giant screens. If an iPhone with a 5" screen came out, people would still choose it for its extreme ease of use and fluidity. Google has made efforts to improve these aspects in Android, and Samsung undermines them.
 
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