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s44

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Dari's not on your ignore lists?
Yeah, no kidding.

Tempting to list some of the folks who keep replying to him too, since it tends to be the same posters taking his bait over and over.
Lol I think he is just mad about apple stock taking a shit on him while Samsung is doing the complete opposite!
No. On another thread he's mentioned that he's Japanese. I suspect he's just got ethnic/nationalistic butthurt that Samsung has eclipsed Sony as *the* Far Eastern consumer electronics company.
 

grkM3

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Samsung is doomed!!! There not about to launch the most anticipated android phone with the worlds first true arm a15 architecture!!!
 

Dari

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Lol I think he is just mad about apple stock taking a shit on him while Samsung is doing the complete opposite!

I have no horse in this race, stock-wise or product-wise, since I don't use phones from either companies. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that I am an Apple "fanboy", as if you are either one or the other...
 

Dari

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Yeah, no kidding.

Tempting to list some of the folks who keep replying to him too, since it tends to be the same posters taking his bait over and over.
No. On another thread he's mentioned that he's Japanese. I suspect he's just got ethnic/nationalistic butthurt that Samsung has eclipsed Sony as *the* Far Eastern consumer electronics company.

Where have I ever mentioned that I am Japanese? You are clearly mistaken.
 

grkM3

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I have no horse in this race, stock-wise or product-wise, since I don't use phones from either companies. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that I am an Apple "fanboy", as if you are either one or the other...

Are you serious? All you do is praise apple and hate anything android and samsung.

Why don't you analyse apple the way you do Samsung on how people are finally fed up with there basic os and need to step up there game to compete with today's flagship android phones and why don't you mention how much apple needs Samsung to fill its demand ? You post like apple has already left Samsung but its far from it and I'll bet money the iPhone 5s will use Samsung made parts.

No other company can fill apples demand needs just look at LGs attempt on the nexus 4 its been sold out for months and lg can't meet demand.
 

Dari

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Are you serious? All you do is praise apple and hate anything android and samsung.

Why don't you analyse apple the way you do Samsung on how people are finally fed up with there basic os and need to step up there game to compete with today's flagship android phones and why don't you mention how much apple needs Samsung to fill its demand ? You post like apple has already left Samsung but its far from it and I'll bet money the iPhone 5s will use Samsung made parts.

No other company can fill apples demand needs just look at LGs attempt on the nexus 4 its been sold out for months and lg can't meet demand.

I know you are trying to make your points but you make very simplistic statements, making it difficult to take you seriously. An example would be the Nexus 4 statement. LG takes orders from Google regarding that phone. They don't ramp up capacity to meet demand unless Google asks. Seeing that Google may be taking a loss on the phone, I doubt they (Google) is interested in seeing increased production. LG makes a non-Nexus clone of the 4 and that is not sold out at all...

As for Apple, there are lots of people that predicted this. You don't have to look hard to see people who did not see their stock falling after they announced they were going to start paying out dividends from the fall. This is all just common knowledge and basic economics. How? Well, it goes like this. There was lot of expectation that apple would offer dividends in the fall. A lot of funds, even those who had no business investing in Apple, starting buying the stock. That is why Apple's stock was so expensive this time last year. Everyone was going in, but non-tech firms were buying because they wanted a steady return. Those that were already in the Apple camp saw this as an opportunity to get some profit-taking and take a breather. That is why Apple's stock fell so much in the past year. Many rushed in before the dividend pay out and many rushed out in order to realize profit. Simple.

Finally, I love Android phones. I have 3. One for work, one for America, and one when I travel. I was given an iPhone as a present last year but a friend threw it into a mirror when I was on business in Tokyo. I liked it too. I also like Samsung phones for what they come with. But I HATE Samsung's OLED screens. Too inferior. But I plan on buying a phone with a really large screen this year and the Note 3 and Optimus G Pro are on my radar, unless SONY comes out with something competitive...
 
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grkM3

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Just curious what do you think Samsung as a whole is worth? Including all factories and fabs and what are your thoughts of the sales of the up coming gs4 and note 3
 

Dari

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Just curious what do you think Samsung as a whole is worth? Including all factories and fabs and what are your thoughts of the sales of the up coming gs4 and note 3

What are they worth? I would need to look at their financials to come to a competent conclusion. With that said, conglomerates are historically undervalued because are so disparate. I don't think any investor would take the Samsung Group seriously considering they can just invest in the parts they like.

As for their phones, I think they will do well this year and next year. They have an established brand and they have the marketing muscle. I also think that their innovation initiatives are important considering hardware specs will matter less and less. Their new center in Cali is a good start. They would also do well to start buying firms instead of just licensing their services. Then again, their investments are not always smart. This is the same company that invested in FUBU, after all.

So, on the consumer hardware front, bar market saturation, things are looking good. Their software and services are sub-par and needs work. Their real problem is in manufacturing where their customers are abandoning them and manufacturing in this tech industry is very expensive. Now, Samsung mostly makes products for Samsung. This is not the Samsung way and it'll be interesting to see how they adjust. Also, the new markets they want to enter have firms that will be weary of going into partnerships with them given their history. I don't see anything good coming from that but time will tell.
 

dawheat

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Awesome. Yes, that is easy.

I have to say, after rooting and flashing a ROM onto my Note 2 in about 30 min, things have gotten so darned easy these days. Things like twrp make things so easy a noob could do it. Getting Google Wallet to work on an unsupported phone now just takes flashing a couple files with no manual changes needed.

Seriously, all the devs out there are awesome. Frankly the hardest part is reading through different threads and picking the ROM you want to use.

And yes - crazy Samsung dude and crazy I-hate-AMOLED-and-everything-Samsung dude are hillarious.
 

ChronoReverse

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Another thing is that Samsung makes it easy to get into custom ROMs. You don't have crap like s-off (HTC) or encrypted bootloaders (Motorola) to deal with. Just ODIN and away you go.
 

dawheat

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Oh - one other thing. The US S3 had an insane number of ROMs to choose from - almost overwhelming.

However the Note 2 with the Exynos processor had far less, though it didn't realy matter since there were several ultra high quality ROMs available that were better than any S3 ROM I tried.

However, I've constantly heard that the Exynos-powered phones have a smaller dev following than the Snapdragons. Why is this the case and why is the ROM affected? To my noob mind, why isn't it like using an AMD or Intel CPU in my desktop - both run the same software.
 

ChronoReverse

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Unlike with AMD/Intel, the stuff surrounding it (the SoC) isn't standardized. So you REALLY need documentation and drivers from the manufacturer.

Qualcomm has been pretty good with that so dev-work proceeds quite well. Samsung doesn't provide nearly the same support level (understatement) for their Exynos so dev-work is more stymied but their devices are popular enough that things get done anyway.
 

Roland00Address

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However, I've constantly heard that the Exynos-powered phones have a smaller dev following than the Snapdragons. Why is this the case and why is the ROM affected? To my noob mind, why isn't it like using an AMD or Intel CPU in my desktop - both run the same software.
The CPU itself is not the problem it is everything else. Phone chips are systems on a chip (soc), cpu, gpu, h264 dedicated decoder, ram, radios, etc... you need source code to make a good Dev just like you need drivers to use your video card. It is the everything else part of the soc that needs good source code.
 
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lothar

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I have to say, after rooting and flashing a ROM onto my Note 2 in about 30 min, things have gotten so darned easy these days. Things like twrp make things so easy a noob could do it. Getting Google Wallet to work on an unsupported phone now just takes flashing a couple files with no manual changes needed.

Seriously, all the devs out there are awesome. Frankly the hardest part is reading through different threads and picking the ROM you want to use.

And yes - crazy Samsung dude and crazy I-hate-AMOLED-and-everything-Samsung dude are hillarious.
Personally...I think both should get a room, sleep together, and create a baby.
 
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