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[Crazee]

As many of you know we have some offsite forums for TeAm information that people are referred to in our welcome thread. Those sites are Reddeye Xpress hosted by Wolfsraider and TeAm Anandtech.Net hosted by amdxborg. Both sites are great and very necessary to keeping people in and outside the TeAm informed on what's going on with DC and TeAm Anandtech.

Recently Wolfraider has put in a lot of work to upgrade the Reddeye Xpress site including implementing a content management system. This system will allow people to contribute content to the site without needing any HTML or programming skills. This means that you can spread the news about your preferred project and the milestones and achievements of the people on the TeAm who crunch them. It is as easy to do as using a word processor.

I have assisted Mike some, but the bulk of the work has fallen on his shoulders. To keep this site current in many different projects requires more than both he and I can provide. We need content authors to provide updates. The more current the site is the better it will be as a resource for perspective and current TeAm members.

We are asking for volunteers to post news and updates for the site. The more people the more the workload will be distributed and the better the site will be. Think of it as distributed websiting To volunteer, simply go to the site and sign up. After you are registered and logged in you will see an additional user menu that will provide you with the means to contribute.

If you have questions, please pm Wolfsraider or me. We might not get back to you right away, but we will do our best to answer you as quickly as we can. Also, please reply to this thread if you want to volunteer or have suggestions for improvements that we can make.

 

[rise]

i forgot about the redeye xpress.

i'll maintain a simap thread there (for as long as we have work) if you want but i see no topic for it.

additionally, i get a log in error after registering and confirming it from the email. i'll PM mike about that.

 

[Crazee]

BOINC SIMAP News category added

Any others anyone needs post up and we will get them created for you

 

[RaySun2Be]

very nice setup on the redeye express. I see he is using Joomla, a branch off of Mambo. Nice.

My work website uses an older version of Mambo. Haven't had the time to devote to upgrading to Joomla.

It does make it easy to contribute. Cut and paste, or use the text editor provided. No html skills required.

 

[Crazee]

I would highly recommend the switch to Joomla when you have the time. It is what we use at the TeAm Enterprise website as well.

 

[Wolfsraider]

Thank you will.

FYI my eye infection is back, I am having a hard time seeing or editing, hence the absence lately. I can see but lights seem to bother it the most. I'll do what I can to help, but please bear with me.

Mike

EDIT> will has put as much or more work into the site as I have, I think he is just too modest. I thank you will it wuld never have made it this far this soon without your help/

 

[Smoke]

Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
Thank you will.

FYI my eye infection is back, I am having a hard time seeing or editing, hence the absence lately. I can see but lights seem to bother it the most. I'll do what I can to help, but please bear with me.

Mike

EDIT> will has put as much or more work into the site as I have, I think he is just too modest. I thank you will it wuld never have made it this far this soon without your help/

Crazee is a cool guy. :thumbsup:

Take your medicine and get well soon, Mike.

 

[emjem]

And how does this differ from the AnandTech DC forum? Or TA.net for that matter?

What do you mean when you say, "Both sites .... are very necessary to keeping people in and outside the TeAm informed on what's going on with DC and TeAm Anandtech". I don't understand the 'necessary' or the 'both' parts.

Seems to me that AnandTech DC is the place for people to post DC events and such relative to TeAm Anandtech. I don't mean to piss you guys off but I don't see how either reddeye or TA.net offer anything that this official AT forum doesn't, or can't have.

You people are valuable communicators and contributors. As such, spreading your knowledge and help across multiple web sites is a loss to the AT community, IMO.

 

[Smoke]

Originally posted by: emjem
And how does this differ from the AnandTech DC forum? Or TA.net for that matter?

What do you mean when you say, "Both sites .... are very necessary to keeping people in and outside the TeAm informed on what's going on with DC and TeAm Anandtech". I don't understand the 'necessary' or the 'both' parts.

Seems to me that AnandTech DC is the place for people to post DC events and such relative to TeAm Anandtech. I don't mean to piss you guys off but I don't see how either reddeye or TA.net offer anything that this official AT forum doesn't, or can't have.

You people are valuable communicators and contributors. As such, spreading your knowledge and help across multiple web sites is a loss to the AT community, IMO.

Actually you have asked a very good question.

You will notice locked at the top of the Distributed Computing Forum a "Welcome Thread". It is a friendly way of welcoming visitors and provides sort of a FAQ. Yours truly, started this thread long, long ago. As we began running more and more projects the "Welcome Thread" became longer and longer and got to the point that it probably was just too long to be of any real use. It is reasonable to assume that new members want an idea of what this forum is all about and they want it quick.

Other DC teams have entire websites devoted strictly to their use where one would find various pages of FAQs and helpful tips. The AnandTech website is not strictly for the use of the DC TeAms and we have to do with what we have been provided, most graciously I might add, by Anand.

To get around the problem of not having sticky threads for each project right here on the AnandTech website, we have had to resort to "off site" solutions. Over the years these have gone from Yahoo forums to forums hosted by various fellow TeAm Mates. These are in effect our FAQs. amdxborg and Wolfsraider have been most generous with their time and talent and have provided us with the necessary "off site" pages and their efforts are very much appreciated. Oh, yes, and kudos to my partner Crazee too.

These web sites are not meant to replace the AnandTech Forum but only to support it. Sometimes there is a hint of eagerness by the authors to have their web sites used a little more. This is most understandable for they have put in a lot of work and would like to see some use and appreciation of their efforts.

The AnandTech Distributed Computing Forum is our "Home" and no one is trying to dilute its use.

The hosts of these TeAm "off site" locations are some of the most prolific posters here on the DC Forum in addition to just being good all around TeAm Mates.

 

[RaySun2Be]

Well said, Smoke.

Oh, and I need to add that I think that amdxborg's website is great too. Both have put in a lot of work to maintain TeAm DC websites that offer information that is hard to present here on a consistent basis.

:thumbsup:

 

[Crazee]

Smoke has pretty much hit it on the head with his reply. The other reason is that it gives a different way to organize the information. Right now if you are on a project that does not have a lot of participation, your threads will be bumped off the first page of the DC forum quickly.

With this site, you can go directly to the news for the projects you are interested in and it will be there in clickable links (provided that we have contributors for those projects) It is a way for us to get more indepth information into an easier to find format - no more no less.

If people don't want it, we don't have to do it, but if you read the welcome thread you will see why these sites are necessary. There are well over 20 projects that TA is involved in and that number is only going to grow. we can't possibly give each project it's due in one sticky thread and we can't have a sticky thread for each project so by directing them offsite we can get into much more detail about the projects.

By spreading the load around more using a content management system then we are more likely to keep things up to date than if the site were to rely on Mike and myself as the only means for update.

 

[amdxborg]

Awesome work as always Mike and glad to see you've taken a new partner along so awesome work to you to Crazee!

I really need to update my site also.. will try to do so over the weekend! Oh and thanks for all the kind words about my site.. I'm just trying to put back something into the TeAm!

Oh and @emjem.. why do you say "spreading your knowledge and help across multiple web sites is a loss to the AT community, IMO."? Think of it this way.. someone may not find the AT forums or my site, but they might find Mike's site and the other way arround. The more places to look, the more people will find US!

 

[emjem]

I understand what you're saying Smoke but I still don't get it. Your Welcome thread is not any longer or more complicated then TA.net. In fact it is considerably shorter and easier to use (IMO). 'Welcome', combined with the official web sites of the various projects, has served me quite well on a number of occassions, thank you very much.

As for 'other teams' having their own websites I don't see how that has anything to do with how TeAm AT should or should not handle its' affairs. You know, your mother probably told you about the jumping off the bridge thing, lol.

If there is a need for more/better FAQs one only need look at how FAQs are handled in some of the other AT technical forums for a solution. I would much rather see the talents of members used to develop FAQs for the Anand DC forum than for 3rd party sites.

While the AT website is not strictly for the use of DC teams, the DC Forum is. Maybe not limited to TeAm AnandTech use but certainly dominated by the team. As it should be because WE are the ones spreading the Anand name worldwide.

Whatever it's called the AnandTech DC forum is TeAm Anandtech's center of gravity. Every project with enough crunchers to merit it, has an active thread, manned by some very talented and knowledgable people (including those of AT.net and reddeye). News, events, blah, blah flow freely. No need IMO to wash through some other web site(s).

I just fail to see how these 2 extraineous sites enhance anyones DC experience or are a benefit to TeAm AnandTech. My concern is that a handful of DC users might diminish the import and/or significance of TeAm AnandTech's home base. I don't think that is their intention, but it is the logical end result should they succeed.

So WTH, anybody can create a web site if they so desire, but imo we shouldn't support their promotions in OUR forum for the purpose of redirecting our AnandTech members to their sites.

All in all it may not matter since very few people are supporting these 2 sites anyway. Having discovered that news I'm done now. Please understand, I don't mean to flame or be nasty -- just trying to document my opinions and views.

 

[Insidious]

I love the Welcome thread. It is a fantastic place to find access to the various project sponsored websites. But let's say I find it more helpful to get my FAQs answered by TeAm AnandTech participants. Maybe it's personal, maybe it's trust.... where in THIS forum can I go?

I believe we all know the difficulties that can be presented with the same questions asked and answered over and over again.... If I had a dollar for every time someone posted that word...."repost" (I want to slap each and every person who does this!)

The AT forum can't sticky the work of our participants for every project. It would take up the whole front page(s)

These offsite resources give me a place I can go to see how Rise set up his SIMAP. And I know I can PM him here at AT if I want more. I haven't wasted anyone's time with the mundane and I have dealt with a team member I know and respect.

Just links to the project's homepages is great, but I want more and a place such as Redeye express, TeAm Enterprise, TA DC forums.... is invaluable to me.

You guys are providing a service to me and (I believe) strengthing TeAm AnandTech in the process.

Thank You and please keep it up if you can. :thumbsup:

-Sid

 

[emjem]

Originally posted by: Crazee

If people don't want it, we don't have to do it, but if you read the welcome thread you will see why these sites are necessary. There are well over 20 projects that TA is involved in and that number is only going to grow. we can't possibly give each project it's due in one sticky thread and we can't have a sticky thread for each project so by directing them offsite we can get into much more detail about the projects.

We can have a sticky for each project if that's what we want, but I don't see why we would do any stickies. Members of low volume, low participation projects can simply link to their projects OFFICIAL website for news, etc. I'm not going to visit every one of these sites but I suspect that most of them have boards of their own -- if not they should.

But if the main concern here is low activity projects being 'covered up' I don't see any comment or objective limiting reddeye services to just low activity projects. That certainly isn't the case with AT.net. And within this thread I see that simap is lined up for a spot on reddeye -- yet it is in no way buried or covered up on the AT DC 1st forum page.

Even if limited to low participation projects the net result of you 'directing them offsite' will or can be to drain views away from AnandTech, which in turn reduces the value of Anand advertising -- which can if drastic enough impact on Anands services to us.

Hll, go ahead and build your sites. That's your right. IMO Anand should not support people involved in directing people to sites that compete with AnandTech. Well that's Anands business, mine is to discourage AT members from either redirecting or being redirected, lol.

 

[Crazee]

Okay, you are entitled to your opinion as you stated, but please don't misrepresent what we are doing here. We are not competing with Anand or Anandtech. We are TeAm members providing a service for TeAm members. If you don't wish to use it then DON'T!

You have stated your opinion (quite a few times in fact), now please quit thread crapping and move along.

EDIT: Also by your logic we need to kill the welcome thread because it redirects people to more sites :roll:

 

[RaySun2Be]

One last comment, emjem.

Team Anandtech has ALWAYS had, as far back as I can remember, off-site websites that also provided news and detailed information about Team Anandtech distributed computing projects.

They have NEVER detracted from the main hangout here, or taken traffic away from Anandtech. In fact, some have provided a DC projects communications avenue for those who have gotten banned from Anandtech (even though we tell 'em to stay away from OT )

They have also provided an off-site and hidden way to communicate with the TeAm when involved with races with other DC teams, and even mini-teams here. They have also a few times, provided an avenue of OPEN discussion without fear of being banned, when TA Mods have come into DC with heavy hands and caused problems unintentionally.

The DC off-site websites and I have been around for a long time at Anandtech and DC, and you are the first person to object strongly to them. I understand your concerns, but my experience has been that they have been a positive support instead of a detraction to this forum.

Now lets' get back on-topic.

 

[Wolfsraider]

Just a few things

I still have the permission of the AT Mods to use the faqs that are buried on the AT main page as well as from mechbgon who wrote most of them. They are way out dated as well as many are long gone projects. They never covered more than half of the projects, at least not during my time here.

I am not trying to steal anyones thunder...We are trying (all of the offsite owners) to get more participation. By creating useful Faq's, bu providing more information in a readily readable and easily accesable format. The searching function on anandtech has been messed up for some time. It doesn't bring all the results it should. I have seen this countless times in the fs/ft forums.

Would you rather see them google it and find it on another rival teams website?

"Man, this is nice! We dont have clear instructions like this on anandtech. You folks have a lot more information, clear faqs, great install guides, nice tweaking threads etc... Can I join?

I know we have those but where are all of them? can you provide me with a list of even links to those without taking hours?

Thats what these sites are about mate

I DO hope that we make a difference. But then I am only 1 person of the thousands on TeAm AnandTech, but you can bet your behind I will do whatever it takes to make this a better , funner, more informative place. My teammates deserve a lot more but I can only give what I can. Thats the great thing about user participation, we can make it better for each project even when we have so little knowledge... because the folks on the various projects know the ins and outs of their projects. We have a lot of folks that change projects regularly. I could try and write faqs, install guides etc for them all but the projects are constantly evolving, I simply cannot keep up. Besides the fact that I am clueless about the things a lot of our more experienced teammates use like scripts that can install clients thruought the network lol yes mondo we are still on for that lol

Now I promised to fix the login issue on the forums so please excuse me while I get on that

Mike

For those that don't know I started doing this after I messed up my back. It was a way to stay focused on something other than the pain. I have been off work the last 3 almost 4 years. I would have gone stir crazy without something to keep me occupied

I have enjoyed every minute some more than others lol

 

[amdxborg]

Originally posted by: emjem
I understand what you're saying Smoke but I still don't get it. Your Welcome thread is not any longer or more complicated then TA.net. In fact it is considerably shorter and easier to use (IMO). 'Welcome', combined with the official web sites of the various projects, has served me quite well on a number of occassions, thank you very much.

As for 'other teams' having their own websites I don't see how that has anything to do with how TeAm AT should or should not handle its' affairs. You know, your mother probably told you about the jumping off the bridge thing, lol.

If there is a need for more/better FAQs one only need look at how FAQs are handled in some of the other AT technical forums for a solution. I would much rather see the talents of members used to develop FAQs for the Anand DC forum than for 3rd party sites.

While the AT website is not strictly for the use of DC teams, the DC Forum is. Maybe not limited to TeAm AnandTech use but certainly dominated by the team. As it should be because WE are the ones spreading the Anand name worldwide.

Whatever it's called the AnandTech DC forum is TeAm Anandtech's center of gravity. Every project with enough crunchers to merit it, has an active thread, manned by some very talented and knowledgable people (including those of AT.net and reddeye). News, events, blah, blah flow freely. No need IMO to wash through some other web site(s).

I just fail to see how these 2 extraineous sites enhance anyones DC experience or are a benefit to TeAm AnandTech. My concern is that a handful of DC users might diminish the import and/or significance of TeAm AnandTech's home base. I don't think that is their intention, but it is the logical end result should they succeed.

So WTH, anybody can create a web site if they so desire, but imo we shouldn't support their promotions in OUR forum for the purpose of redirecting our AnandTech members to their sites.

All in all it may not matter since very few people are supporting these 2 sites anyway. Having discovered that news I'm done now. Please understand, I don't mean to flame or be nasty -- just trying to document my opinions and views.

WTF! OK buddy, you're really getting on my nerves now. You've got no logical reasoning and if you're to blind/stupid to see the benefit and advantages of the extra info the sites provide then stop posting useless posts crapping me and my friend down for our and others' hard work. :| All the work is for the benefit of the TeAm!!.. I've just got up and you're ruined my day.

edit.. spelling

 

[emjem]

Originally posted by: Crazee
Okay, you are entitled to your opinion as you stated, but please don't misrepresent what we are doing here. We are not competing with Anand or Anandtech. We are TeAm members providing a service for TeAm members. If you don't wish to use it then DON'T!

You have stated your opinion (quite a few times in fact), now please quit thread crapping and move along.

EDIT: Also by your logic we need to kill the welcome thread because it redirects people to more sites :roll:

Ahahahahahah, are you always that rude? So happens I like rude people. LMFAO.

OK, my mission here is to dissuade you and other TeAm members from damaging AnandTech, so I'll try for some clarification.

You think I'm misrepresenting what you are doing here, so obviously I have not clearly communicated my thoughts. I understand that you don't 'think' you are competing with AT, but you are in fact competing for AT's members (eg, Help Wanted, and, look how much better we can serve you at reddeye).

You are, as you stated intending to be 'TeAm members providing a service for TeAm members', but it seems to me that in the process you are damaging AnandTech.

I understand that your motives are to help improve things, but consider this:

The Anand website survives by selling advertisements. The prices that can be charged for those ads are directly impacted by the number of views (hits) the website sustains. If you direct traffic to alternative websites providing the same basic services as AT you are consequently reducing the value of the ads Anand is selling. Damaging AT.

If you prove me wrong here I will be happy to move along. However, the AT.net forum, is composed of the same sort of threads and posts that would otherwise appear in the AnandTech DC forum -- and thus has reduced AnandTech hits. Not significant yet, but who knows what a dedicated team of skilled AnandTech members might accomplish.

Thus, I was/am hoping that your considerable talents would be applied to figuring out how to make the AT DC forum a better place.

As for thread crapping, I don't see it your way. If I wish to opine on your request for help I must do it within this thread. I was done with this subject with my first post but then had to respond to comments regarding my post(s) so that others would not assume my silence represents concurrence.

Now I'm done unless you ask for more clarification.

 

[emjem]

Originally posted by: amdxborg

Originally posted by: emjem
I understand what you're saying Smoke but I still don't get it. Your Welcome thread is not any longer or more complicated then TA.net. In fact it is considerably shorter and easier to use (IMO). 'Welcome', combined with the official web sites of the various projects, has served me quite well on a number of occassions, thank you very much.

As for 'other teams' having their own websites I don't see how that has anything to do with how TeAm AT should or should not handle its' affairs. You know, your mother probably told you about the jumping off the bridge thing, lol.

If there is a need for more/better FAQs one only need look at how FAQs are handled in some of the other AT technical forums for a solution. I would much rather see the talents of members used to develop FAQs for the Anand DC forum than for 3rd party sites.

While the AT website is not strictly for the use of DC teams, the DC Forum is. Maybe not limited to TeAm AnandTech use but certainly dominated by the team. As it should be because WE are the ones spreading the Anand name worldwide.

Whatever it's called the AnandTech DC forum is TeAm Anandtech's center of gravity. Every project with enough crunchers to merit it, has an active thread, manned by some very talented and knowledgable people (including those of AT.net and reddeye). News, events, blah, blah flow freely. No need IMO to wash through some other web site(s).

I just fail to see how these 2 extraineous sites enhance anyones DC experience or are a benefit to TeAm AnandTech. My concern is that a handful of DC users might diminish the import and/or significance of TeAm AnandTech's home base. I don't think that is their intention, but it is the logical end result should they succeed.

So WTH, anybody can create a web site if they so desire, but imo we shouldn't support their promotions in OUR forum for the purpose of redirecting our AnandTech members to their sites.

All in all it may not matter since very few people are supporting these 2 sites anyway. Having discovered that news I'm done now. Please understand, I don't mean to flame or be nasty -- just trying to document my opinions and views.

WTF! OK buddy, you're really getting on my nerves now. You've got no logical reasoning and if you're to blind/stupid to see the benefit and advantages of the extra info the sites provide then stop posting useless posts crapping me and my friend down for our and ours' hard work. :| All the work is for the bebefit of the TeAm!!.. I've just got up and you're ruined my day.

LMFAO. I'm usually crabby when I first get up as well. But jeez, get a grip. You need to work on finding something more important than this to ruin your day.

I didn't mean to put down your hard work, so I appologize for offending you with my phrasing. However, this doesn't mean that I agree with your concept.

 

[amdxborg]

lol I appologize for offending you with my phrasing also.. However, this doesn't mean that I agree with your concept and looking at the other posts here no one else does either..

 

[Wolfsraider]

The Anand website survives by selling advertisements. The prices that can be charged for those ads are directly impacted by the number of views (hits) the website sustains. If you direct traffic to alternative websites providing the same basic services as AT you are consequently reducing the value of the ads Anand is selling. Damaging AT.

emjem, What is the cause of your bug? is it me or the site. You are saying its a loss to AT. I have already stated that AT is well aware and behind our efforts.What is it gonna take to get that through your head? Do me a favor, pm the mods and ask them

Sad, we try to make this a better place for all, on our time with the full blessing of AT and you think its a waste. Ok I can understand that. But your attitude toward others whom are your teammates and mine, the same ones you are trying to "protect" is rude at best, please try to be nice.

The problem here isn't about AT or its loss of money. Is it?
Mike
Damaging AT - I would think that it hurts AT much worse when you twist the truth to what you want and fight in the forums with your teammates.

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: emjem

Originally posted by: Crazee
Okay, you are entitled to your opinion as you stated, but please don't misrepresent what we are doing here. We are not competing with Anand or Anandtech. We are TeAm members providing a service for TeAm members. If you don't wish to use it then DON'T!

You have stated your opinion (quite a few times in fact), now please quit thread crapping and move along.

EDIT: Also by your logic we need to kill the welcome thread because it redirects people to more sites :roll:

Ahahahahahah, are you always that rude? So happens I like rude people. LMFAO.

OK, my mission here is to dissuade you and other TeAm members from damaging AnandTech, so I'll try for some clarification.

You think I'm misrepresenting what you are doing here, so obviously I have not clearly communicated my thoughts. I understand that you don't 'think' you are competing with AT, but you are in fact competing for AT's members (eg, Help Wanted, and, look how much better we can serve you at reddeye).

You are, as you stated intending to be 'TeAm members providing a service for TeAm members', but it seems to me that in the process you are damaging AnandTech.

I understand that your motives are to help improve things, but consider this:

The Anand website survives by selling advertisements. The prices that can be charged for those ads are directly impacted by the number of views (hits) the website sustains. If you direct traffic to alternative websites providing the same basic services as AT you are consequently reducing the value of the ads Anand is selling. Damaging AT.

If you prove me wrong here I will be happy to move along. However, the AT.net forum, is composed of the same sort of threads and posts that would otherwise appear in the AnandTech DC forum -- and thus has reduced AnandTech hits. Not significant yet, but who knows what a dedicated team of skilled AnandTech members might accomplish.

Thus, I was/am hoping that your considerable talents would be applied to figuring out how to make the AT DC forum a better place.

As for thread crapping, I don't see it your way. If I wish to opine on your request for help I must do it within this thread. I was done with this subject with my first post but then had to respond to comments regarding my post(s) so that others would not assume my silence represents concurrence.

Now I'm done unless you ask for more clarification.

You know I thought about writing back something more, but I understand now that you truly are a troll and looking for that. I won't waste anymore time on you troll.

 

[BlackMountainCow]

@emjem:

Do you know TAS? TeAm Anandtech Sentinels? We're a mini team supporting TA. We only have ONE thread within the TA forums. Our main forum for our own stats and chatting and planing is hosted by amdxborg on his site! If we didn't have his site, we wouldn't have come as far as we are as a mini team. At Johan's site, we can do and talk whatever we want, from personal stuff to holiday infos. We couldn't do that here in the forums, as space is limietd and we want the TA-DC forum to stay (almost) strictly DC.

For that reason, a site like Johan's - or Mike's as he used to host the TAs forums - is much more than a valuable addition to TA, they are indespensable!