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Lifer
Sep 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
The only reason any American says they have a positive view of Islam is because they don't want to be accused of being a racist.

yes...RACEist against a religion with adherents of all different colors of skin, eyes and hair...
 

Kalbi

Banned
Jul 7, 2005
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Originally posted by: daniel49
If this article doesn't alarm and or concern you then you can rest at peace, you truly are a liberal.

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complacency is a dangerous thing
 

halik

Lifer
Oct 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: daniel49
If this article doesn't alarm and or concern you then you can rest at peace, you truly are a liberal.

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you need not to reproduce

Maybe we should round em all up and shoot em, ya know all 'dem raghats. And while at it we might as well take immigrants, jews, n*ggers, homosexual and all the other unfit so we're left with good honest jesus-loving folk :roll: go home troll
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: cwgannon

These "Muslim terrorists"

That phrase is redundant. Islam is the religion of hate and must be abolished.

Now, if anything can be deduced from this, it's that if anyone believes this, they have the IQ of the wart on my grandmothers nose, and should not be allowed (i wish).
 
Jul 25, 2005
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13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care.

Sounds like a great incentive not to be poor.
 

Todd33

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Oct 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: ntdz


But, alas, they don't. And right there, your argument dies. Car accidents, hate to say it, actually help the economy in may ways. Car accidents create jobs in the form of mechanics and body shops. Hurricanes do the same thing, except in the construction industry. 9/11, well, a million jobs were lost.

With your logic, 9/11 was good for the economy. Those 1 millions (not that I agree with your number) was hired back since nothing was permanant. Then all those working on Ground Zero and the Pentagon were hired. Not too mention the 60,000+ hired in the newly created DHS. Hell, I work on research for airport securty, my job came from 9/11. Then we have Iraq and the military spending ($300B) and all the contractors like Hallaburon. There must be 50,000 new jobs in Iraq.

So Terrorism = strong US economy, according to ntdz and his crazy logic.

 

Tommunist

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Dec 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: meatball
13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care.

Sounds like a great incentive not to be poor.

sounds like you are either joking or retarded :laugh::thumbsup:
 
Jul 25, 2005
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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: meatball
13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care.

Sounds like a great incentive not to be poor.

sounds like you are either joking or retarded :laugh::thumbsup:



Umm, neither.
 

halik

Lifer
Oct 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: cwgannon

These "Muslim terrorists"

That phrase is redundant. Islam is the religion of hate and must be abolished.

Now, if anything can be deduced from this, it's that if anyone believes this, they have the IQ of the wart on my grandmothers nose, and should not be allowed (i wish).

QFT
 

Strk

Lifer
Nov 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: meatball
13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care.

Sounds like a great incentive not to be poor.

sounds like you are either joking or retarded :laugh::thumbsup:



Umm, neither.

While the statement may be wrong it so many ways, it is right in the respect that African Americans, as a whole, do have a bit of a poverty issue.

 
Jul 25, 2005
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Originally posted by: Strk
While the statement may be wrong it so many ways, it is right in the respect that African Americans, as a whole, do have a bit of a poverty issue.

And there is nothing holding African Americans back from bettering their lot in life. There is nothing preventing them from working hard. There is nothing stopping them from taking out a loan, if necessary, to pay for retraining into better careers. In fact they have one leg up on the rest of us.... It's called affirmative action. The ONLY thing holding African Americans back in most cases is themselves. A VERY high percentage of African Americans are incarcerated in their lifetimes. And there is NO ONE to blame but themselves for engaging in self destructive behavior.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: cwgannon

These "Muslim terrorists"

That phrase is redundant. Islam is the religion of hate and must be abolished.

Wow, so I guess it's just tough sh!t for the hundreds of millions of Muslims who aren't terrorists, huh?

I swear, we need some kind of device to harness the power of the founding fathers spinning in their graves. They fought and died for something that's being squandered by cowards. Pathetic.
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: Strk
While the statement may be wrong it so many ways, it is right in the respect that African Americans, as a whole, do have a bit of a poverty issue.

And there is nothing holding African Americans back from bettering their lot in life. There is nothing preventing them from working hard. There is nothing stopping them from taking out a loan, if necessary, to pay for retraining into better careers. In fact they have one leg up on the rest of us.... It's called affirmative action. The ONLY thing holding African Americans back in most cases is themselves. A VERY high percentage of African Americans are incarcerated in their lifetimes. And there is NO ONE to blame but themselves for engaging in self destructive behavior.

Poverty breeds poverty. And i can't guarantee you rasicm doesn't exist in the US.
Poor people are the ones committing crimes, how many percent of people in american jails are black? Quite a few.
The problem is not them, i wouldn't blame humans for human nature. The blame is put on you, human nature needs to be changed, and the power is in your hands to do so.

My quote is that many black people die because they get no healthcare, because you, unlike my country, don't have free healthcare for everyone.
 

terraqueous

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Aug 2, 2005
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I apologize in advance for the thread hijack.

And there is nothing holding African Americans back from bettering their lot in life. There is nothing preventing them from working hard. There is nothing stopping them from taking out a loan, if necessary, to pay for retraining into better careers. In fact they have one leg up on the rest of us.... It's called affirmative action. The ONLY thing holding African Americans back in most cases is themselves. A VERY high percentage of African Americans are incarcerated in their lifetimes. And there is NO ONE to blame but themselves for engaging in self destructive behavior.

meatball, I used to think the way you did. Then I noticed that, quite frankly, the view that noone is held back in life is simply ludicrous. As a bank, would you loan to the poor, black male who hasn't gone beyond high school? Honestly? You talk about retraining as though the schools in most African American inner city areas provided training to begin with. And while I agree that affirmative aciton based on race is bull, I'd have to say that being destitute or lacking a functioning family while getting a few extra points on your university admissions application hardly counts as a "leg up" on the kids with the excellent private or suburban schools, private tutors, or parents pushing them to educate themselves.

People are born into some pretty horrible lives. Is the entire continent of Africa impoverished because, as you seem to believe, poor people are simply too lazy to work hard? You point out that a disproportionately high number of African Americans are incarcerated compared to other minorities. Could the fact that far more African Americans are born into the lowest incomes, worst schools and communities that least value education, and a nearly complete lack of successful adult role models have anything to do with that?

The world is indeed about incentives, and that's where you stepped into a paradox. There is a HUGE incentive not to be poor. Material comfort, respect, longer life, better lives for one's children, personal safety...all of these come with increased wealth. Do you truly believe that the poor themselves have not noticed this? And assuming that you will admit that they, seeing everyone around them who is not poor, have noticed this, do you then truly believe that their collective response is, "Meh, a job is too much work for such pointless rewards as life and happiness. I'd rather die young/smoke crack/go to jail."?

I doubt that as a user on the AnandTech forums, you were born into a drug and crime infested ghetto, from which you nobly worked your way out, easily passing all those lazy bastards around you who just wanted to stay poor. If you did, congratulations, and my apologies. I know that I certainly didn't - I was born into wealth and a level of comfort that allowed me to think that all you needed to succeed was hard work. For those of us already on top, that's true. But not everyone starts at the top. And until you've lived it, the safe bet is to give those people at the very bottom the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether or not things like crushing poverty, rampant crime and shattered families might influence their ability to achieve.
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: terraqueous
I apologize in advance for the thread hijack.

And there is nothing holding African Americans back from bettering their lot in life. There is nothing preventing them from working hard. There is nothing stopping them from taking out a loan, if necessary, to pay for retraining into better careers. In fact they have one leg up on the rest of us.... It's called affirmative action. The ONLY thing holding African Americans back in most cases is themselves. A VERY high percentage of African Americans are incarcerated in their lifetimes. And there is NO ONE to blame but themselves for engaging in self destructive behavior.

meatball, I used to think the way you did. Then I noticed that, quite frankly, the view that noone is held back in life is simply ludicrous. As a bank, would you loan to the poor, black male who hasn't gone beyond high school? Honestly? You talk about retraining as though the schools in most African American inner city areas provided training to begin with. And while I agree that affirmative aciton based on race is bull, I'd have to say that being destitute or lacking a functioning family while getting a few extra points on your university admissions application hardly counts as a "leg up" on the kids with the excellent private or suburban schools, private tutors, or parents pushing them to educate themselves.

People are born into some pretty horrible lives. Is the entire continent of Africa impoverished because, as you seem to believe, poor people are simply too lazy to work hard? You point out that a disproportionately high number of African Americans are incarcerated compared to other minorities. Could the fact that far more African Americans are born into the lowest incomes, worst schools and communities that least value education, and a nearly complete lack of successful adult role models have anything to do with that?

The world is indeed about incentives, and that's where you stepped into a paradox. There is a HUGE incentive not to be poor. Material comfort, respect, longer life, better lives for one's children, personal safety...all of these come with increased wealth. Do you truly believe that the poor themselves have not noticed this? And assuming that you will admit that they, seeing everyone around them who is not poor, have noticed this, do you then truly believe that their collective response is, "Meh, a job is too much work for such pointless rewards as life and happiness. I'd rather die young/smoke crack/go to jail."?

I doubt that as a user on the AnandTech forums, you were born into a drug and crime infested ghetto, from which you nobly worked your way out, easily passing all those lazy bastards around you who just wanted to stay poor. If you did, congratulations, and my apologies. I know that I certainly didn't - I was born into wealth and a level of comfort that allowed me to think that all you needed to succeed was hard work. For those of us already on top, that's true. But not everyone starts at the top. And until you've lived it, the safe bet is to give those people at the very bottom the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether or not things like crushing poverty, rampant crime and shattered families might influence their ability to achieve.

I'm just gonna let that stand for a second.

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Obligatory:
hmm, first post, who were you before you were banned?
 

Todd33

Diamond Member
Oct 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: meatball
Originally posted by: Strk
While the statement may be wrong it so many ways, it is right in the respect that African Americans, as a whole, do have a bit of a poverty issue.

And there is nothing holding African Americans back from bettering their lot in life. There is nothing preventing them from working hard. There is nothing stopping them from taking out a loan, if necessary, to pay for retraining into better careers. In fact they have one leg up on the rest of us.... It's called affirmative action. The ONLY thing holding African Americans back in most cases is themselves. A VERY high percentage of African Americans are incarcerated in their lifetimes. And there is NO ONE to blame but themselves for engaging in self destructive behavior.

Are you black? Did you grow up in an all black ghetto? WTF do you know about anything, your probably some spoiled white kid.
 

terraqueous

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Aug 2, 2005
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I joined today. Everyone has to have a first post don't they? I've been reading AnandTech for a long time and just checked out the forums a few days ago. meatball's post struck a nerve, since I used to agree with him, so I bothered to respond for once.
 
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