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ndee

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Originally posted by: Calin
Why not such a car?
1. A nuclear reactor needs a certain mass of Uranium to function. No way to run a reactor with half a pound of uranium - not to create a significant amount of power.
2. There are radiations, that will later affect the metal in the car (the radiation shield and so on)
3. You need a BIG radiation shield.
4. A nuclear power plant produces nothing useful BUT HEAT. So you will have a very hot reactor core, and nothing else. To transform that heat in power, the submarines and air carriers use steam. This way, one uses a hot source (the reactor) and a cold source (the water) to create work (power multiplied by time). Now what car you could have capable to cool such a reactor? And how much steam you have to carry in your car for the transformation of nuclear heat in power? Usually the pressure in the primary (and secondary - guess what - there is a primary and secondary steam circuit) heat circuit is pretty high. And any crack in the primary steam reactor is capable of polluting the environment with radioactive waste.
5. For all the paranoids out there, one could buy 10 or 20 cars and cut open their engines. You will end with enough uranium to create a small nuke.
6. Can you imagine a car cimitery where the radiation will be equal to that in Chernobyl, by example?
7. A frontal crash between two such cars will produce radiation hazard, so everyone in a radius of 30 miles will have to be evacuated.

If you need more reasoning, send me a message.
(for the moment, I suppose the main reason against this is the sheer mass needed for a vehicle)

Calin

EDIT1:
I just RTFA and found out about the pebble reactor. So, the questions are:
How will you shut down such a reactor? If you can't, your car will just be hot all the time. Considering the current efficiency of the steam engines, you will output heat at some rapid rate - for a supposed car with 200 kW engine (271 KW) you will output three times that heat into the environment. Do you have a electric heater? It probably has a power of 2 kW. Your car will output 300 times that. Can you say red hot?
You will need a high flow of air to cool that beast. As is necessary a 50 cfm fan to cool a 100W processor, you will need a small tempest to cool your car.
Assume you could shut that reactor down when not in use (by using some kind of moderator), when running you will still have a 1 000 Celsius degree hot reactor in the car, with several pounds of 1 000 Celsius hot steam at a pressure of tens of atmospheres. In case of a small accident that will crack the heat pipes, you are toasted (or maybe boiled).
You can't use tap water. All the minerals in the water will remain inside the pipes, finally clogging them. Also reducing the power output of the engine. So, you'll most probably have to use distilled water (which is cheaper than gasoline).

EDIT2:
How much will weigh the encasing? I'll let you guess. Can you put that in a sport car? Guess again.
If the car power is 35 kW, then will you drive a car that is having only 50 HP? Guess not, considering the weight of all the systems.
If the encasing is complete, how will you have steam out of it? If only from the outsides, then you will have a huge mass of lead and titanium at 1 000 C in your car. What temperature is needed to molt lead? Yes, you're right. Molten lead.
The pebbles will maybe not contain enough uranium (not concentrate enough) to create a critical mass. However, cutting the titanium encasing is just time consuming, and not extremely difficult. However, it should be much easier to concentrate the uranium in the pebbles than to produce it from ground up (mining operations). Even so, it could be used for a radiation atack (not a nuclear one).

Can we get a PWNED icon please?
 

Aharami

Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: Calin
I guess this car will be hard to stole - you will need a crane and trailer to take it
Off course, the easy way to stole such a car will be to steal it together with the owner.

Calin

i know you know a lot about nuclear power plants and all...and you seem to know what you're talking about, but your spelling and grammer sucks ass
 

Ymmy

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Aug 3, 2003
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OMFG, are you guys that stupid?

The OP IS saying this is FAKE. However, he just wants to see if this idea would ever be possible in the sometime near future.

 

opticalmace

Golden Member
Oct 22, 2003
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Originally posted by: Ymmy
OMFG, are you guys that stupid?

The OP IS saying this is FAKE. However, he just wants to see if this idea would ever be possible in the sometime near future.
the OP was trying to cover his ass with his first post, by saying "i know it's fake" and "but if it's real....YEY!" in the same paragraph

he's an idiot, and you're just wasting space
 

Nanotech

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Mar 10, 2004
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Yes, your an idiot but I appreciate the interesting article never-the-less.

So, say one day they allow the development of this nuclear powered car...What happens when the car gets in an accident? Wouldn't little Jimmy who lives in the house near where the accident took place be exposed to radiation for 10-15 years?

e.g. Never gonna happen!
 

IBdaMac

Senior member
Jan 12, 2003
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how can you possibly think that with the tecnology available....containing U235 isn't possible?

It may take a ton of lead to stop the radiation from 1 pound of U235, I don't know I can't find info anywhere on that. If it can be contained by 6 inches of lead, then it can also be contained in an accident with another 8 inches of titanium around it. I don't believe physical impacts cause a reaction with the Uranium.

Another thing, where is the info on how much energy a pound of U235 puts out every hour...how do you know if maybe we went to U238, maybe not as much heat would be released. Or maybe enough energy is released every hour to operate a car with 10000000 hp? Where's the info that tells me? If coal can be used in a steam engine to propel an entire train, then I think the heat generated by 1 pound of U235 is enough. I may be wrong though.....I need numbers.

What I'm saying is that I believe that it is a possiblilty....I'm NOT saying that using all the ideas in that article, it would be possible. But I believe that with enough engineering, it could be done.

If you can contain a radioactive material that generates heat constantly, then there is no difference between that and a steam engine fueled by coal. Extra energy can be fed to the ground in the form of electricity if necessary. Fans can cool the radiator that helps cool the water that is refueled every 300 miles. Titanium encasing will protect the radioactive material from exiting the vehicle in an accident...I don't care if it's at 300 miles/hour. Now if U235 explodes with physical impacts (which I can almost guarantee it doesn't) then that would be a different story.

You guys aren't taking into the fact that technology is advancing exponentially and that an indestructable cage for radioactive material isn't that far out there. Cooling systems able to cool such devices is not impossible.

I understand a lot of the risks of creating this type of device. But if it was SO INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS....then they wouldn't have them in submarines, or aircraft carriers. It is a BRILLIANT form of energy that I believe can eventually be easily controlled in small amounts.

There has to be someone out there that agrees with me.


EDIT: By the way, when I said "if it's real....YEY!!!" I was referring to the concept, not the actual product.
 

Calin

Diamond Member
Apr 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Calin
I guess this car will be hard to stole - you will need a crane and trailer to take it
Off course, the easy way to stole such a car will be to steal it together with the owner.

Calin

i know you know a lot about nuclear power plants and all...and you seem to know what you're talking about, but your spelling and grammer sucks ass

You may be right. However, as I don't speak english, I hope I can make myself understood. And I will be glad to learn from you (by the way, what is grammer?)

Calin
 

TheBoyBlunder

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Apr 25, 2003
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Originally posted by: Calin
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Calin
I guess this car will be hard to stole - you will need a crane and trailer to take it
Off course, the easy way to stole such a car will be to steal it together with the owner.

Calin

i know you know a lot about nuclear power plants and all...and you seem to know what you're talking about, but your spelling and grammer sucks ass

You may be right. However, as I don't speak english, I hope I can make myself understood. And I will be glad to learn from you (by the way, what is grammer?)

Calin

It's actually spelled grammar. It's essentially the basic rules of any language. I think the proper word in Romanian is gramaticã.
 

MithShrike

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May 5, 2002
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Yeh, you're an idiot. Oil is the addiction all Americans have. Sure we say we don't like the high gas prices or being OPEC's bitches, but in actuality America likes the gas-guzzling SUVs and loud engines.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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well the soviets created nuclear batteries.... not sure how efficient they were though.
 
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