One of the 160 countries that don't have a treaty with Italy perhaps? Even if he went to ANY other country, at least he would have time to leave before the extradition request came in.
Where, exactly, would he have gone? He could easily go to any EU country, but of course any of them would extradite him if Italy requested it.
The USA? On what Visa would he be allowed in, and to stay for x amount of time?
I have one at home and I'll post it later.
They were not found guilty of failing to predict a earthquake. They were in a sense found guilty of trying to predict one.
Being part of a committee on public safety, they were in charge of assessing risks for the population in the area recently hit by an earthquake. In that capacity they went on record saying that people should stay put because the risk of another one was negligible. And at least one of them did it in a quite sarcastic way. Many people based their decision not to leave on that, and died or were injured when the second one struck.
They should have said they had no idea, because nobody can. It's their role (not as earth scientists but as members of that committee) to give inputs to the general population about the risks during a crisis, based on their knowledge. They gave people the illusion of safety whereas they should have said there was no way to assess that risk in one way or the other.
I think you're totally wrong here, her sexuality saved her ass. If she wasn't hot nobody would give a shit if she hanged. I would say it's actually the opposite, it's unfair she is treated as well as she is just because of her appearance. If an average or worse, ugly girl was accused of this crime she'd probably be in prison and that would be that.
If memory serves, Italy is one of those countries that will not extradite on capital charges without a guaranty that the death penalty is off the table.But she's a US citizen currently in the US. While there is an extradition treaty with Italy the US is under no obligation to hold to the treaty if it deprives a citizen of a right. Double jeopardy is a right in the US and it is likely that the country will not send her away to have her rights violated. Similarly, the US would not extradite a citizen to a foreign country to face punishment by stoning, since such punishment would be cruel and unusual.
This is not unheard of, other countries will often refuse to extradite to the US if the death penalty is involved.
We still have vestiges of the Napoleonic Code in Louisiana. It's a pretty messed up system.You are right. It was France, not Italy where the dog was put on trial.i think the practice goes back to the black plague when rats were put on trial for causing said plague. Iirc, Italy has similar laws.
That seems pretty much what he said. Although if one of them said it sarcastically, I can see why you'd want them in prison.I have one at home and I'll post it later.
They were not found guilty of failing to predict a earthquake. They were in a sense found guilty of trying to predict one.
Being part of a committee on public safety, they were in charge of assessing risks for the population in the area recently hit by an earthquake. In that capacity they went on record saying that people should stay put because the risk of another one was negligible. And at least one of them did it in a quite sarcastic way. Many people based their decision not to leave on that, and died or were injured when the second one struck.
They should have said they had no idea, because nobody can. It's their role (not as earth scientists but as members of that committee) to give inputs to the general population about the risks during a crisis, based on their knowledge. They gave people the illusion of safety whereas they should have said there was no way to assess that risk in one way or the other.
Everybody likes to quote "double jeopardy" and forgets that she was convicted first. She was serving 26 years. It's possible that public opinion in the US might prevent her from being extradited, but unlikely.
Legal experts agree:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-likely-extradite-knox-italy-asks-000547631.html
This is the list of countries she needs to stay out of. It's not all that bad actually, 160 countries are safe!
Argentina, Australia, Austria, The Bahamas, Bolivia, Brasil, Canada, Costa Rica, Cuba, Germany, Kenya, Lesotho, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, The Vatican, Singapore, Sri Lanka, The United States of America and Uruguay and the European Union.
What? No comments on her 'white privilege'?
Double jeopardy is a right in the US
It's not a right though.
Every attorney and judge in the US disagrees with you.
Bullshit.
In the US it's a right. In italy, it's not. Every attorney in the US and Italy agrees with me.
I'm not so convinced of her innocence. They found a footprint of her shoe size in the blood at the crime scene, and they found her blood mixed in with the victims on something (I forgot what). She also lied many many times about many things. Its hard to say one way or the other, but I will say her innocence is not "obvious".
Maybe he thought he would be found innocent, as he IS innocent.I will say that Sollecito is an idiot. Who sticks around in a country where they are currently re-trying you for a crime they convicted you of (wrongfully or otherwise) and put you in prison for 4 years?
If there is no way to assess the risks why have the comittee at all? In essence Italy is asking people to predict something everybody knows cant be predicted. When they offer up an opinion on the risk of an event and it turns out wrong they go to jail. They were jailed because they didnt predict the risk of an earthquake accurately.
It's not US law that convicted her. Nor does it have to be.It is kind of a bummer that she is currently located inside the US then isn't it...
I'm not so convinced of her innocence.
They found a footprint of her shoe size in the blood at the crime scene, and they found her blood mixed in with the victims on something (I forgot what).
I will say that Sollecito is an idiot. Who sticks around in a country where they are currently re-trying you for a crime they convicted you of (wrongfully or otherwise) and put you in prison for 4 years?
I find her demeanor and behavior, and that of Raffaele Sollecito to be entirely inconsistent with guilt. This isn't definitive, of course... but let's keep some things in mind:
- Casey Anthony - Found not guilty but most likely was guilty. Since her acquittal she has been almost completely off the radar. She is not even involved with her own family anymore, the same family she threw under the bus in a desperate attempt to shift the blame to anyone she could. Her behavior matches someone who knows she got away with something, and has slunk off into the shadows.
- O.J. Simpson - Murdered two people, evidence CLEARLY established this, and when he was acquitted he gradually faded from the public eye and never had much of a media presence after the fact. He did release a VHS tape to try to get money, and wrote a book many years later (in which he basically confessed), and did behave criminally again in Las Vegas. However, all of these actions were tied together by the same thing. He lost a civil case and was desperate for money. That is what drew him out, but in large part, despite these few moments, his life since the acquittal has mostly been in obscurity and avoiding the public eye. Again, consistent with consciousness of his own guilt.
I simply don't believe guilty people exhibit the kind of SUSTAINED passion about their innocence and perpetual presence in the media attesting to that innocence, that Knox and Sollecito have had. I've listened to both their audiobooks, and nothing about their lives or behaviors at any time was in any way consistent with vicious, sadistic murderers or guilty parties. Nothing. The only reason they were in the situation they were, was what happened in that police station over the course of a couple of key days. Watch "The Confessions" from PBS Frontline if you haven't, and it will open your eyes very wide to how false confessions (even with elaborate detail) can be elicited from innocent people.
Also, it is not just their presence in media and their sustained passion about their innocence, it is how they come across.
There is not a whiff of attention seeking, there is not the slightest hint of some sort of ditsy Casey Anthony who just feeds off of attention and loves the fact that some people find her attractive. Knox exhibits none of this whatsoever. She comes across as a broken woman, traumatized, shocked, but with a steely resolve to try to draw attention to not only her own plight but the fact that this happens to other people. Sollecito comes across fairly similarly, but language barrier and the fact that I think he went into it with a little bit stronger constitution, have kept him slightly more upbeat.
Knox comes across as someone who desperately wishes she was not in front of a camera, but is compelled to be there for principled reasons.
I think when this all began she was a naive, selfish young woman. Not untypical of a lot of young people from first world western nations these days. Concerned with her own doings and desires, but in no way evil. Just young, spoiled, and with a lot of maturing left to do. I think what she has gone through since has been a crash course in the harsh realities of the world and I think a great deal of her "life force" has been sucked by it.
From everything I've read, almost all of the forensic evidence has been horribly botched, interpreted in highly questionable ways, or misrepresented by both officials and media.
My understanding is that any foot prints found of Knox at the apartment are well within what you'd expect to be there since she lived there, and since she obliviously walked around parts of the apartment after the murder before the body was discovered. A lot of the blood evidence and things with the luminol, etc, have been horribly misrepresented.
I believe the prosecutors and police engaged in a very deliberate campaign to get the media firmly on their side, and scruples were nowhere in sight.
Someone who was born there, who is ethnically Italian, whose father lives there, who still probably has a lot of affection for his country even after how it's treated him. And above all, someone who is rock solid confident in his own innocence, and still has perhaps more naivety about the system eventually getting it right, than he should have had. A lot of their faith was restored by the overturning of the guilty verdict, and I agree that they should have retained more of the cynicism they learned, but I think they were desperate to believe their nightmare was over.
I think he wanted to demonstrate to his country and the world that he was innocent, unafraid, and would face his situation with dignity.
And btw, if it's true he was "suspiciously near to the Austrian border" AFTER this new ruling came down, I don't blame him one bit. All those high ideals and confidence in his innocence eventually can (and should) be trumped by self-preservation instinct and a return of his cynical understandings. Frankly I wish he'd successfully disappeared. But, let's hope their Supreme Court gets it right.
If you had bothered to actually research the case, rather than relying on tabloid nonsense, then you'd know there are solid refutations for every point you bring up.
Maybe he thought he would be found innocent, as he IS innocent.
It is kind of a bummer that she is currently located inside the US then isn't it...
Even more of a bummer that she was just sentenced to 28 years and guess what? Italy can request that she serve her sentence in US prisons! So they really don't even have to extradite her!
Actually, they did not. That's just how the foreign media sloppily reported it.
Well that and her obvious innocence.
Personally I think we should tell Italy to fuck off and send us Sollecito or we Drone the Pope.
I'm not so convinced of her innocence. They found a footprint of her shoe size in the blood at the crime scene, and they found her blood mixed in with the victims on something (I forgot what). She also lied many many times about many things. Its hard to say one way or the other, but I will say her innocence is not "obvious".
I will say that Sollecito is an idiot. Who sticks around in a country where they are currently re-trying you for a crime they convicted you of (wrongfully or otherwise) and put you in prison for 4 years?
This is going to come down to a case of the US telling Italy, "Because fuck you, that's why."
I'd bet money she doesn't get extradited.
You might find this of interest:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...-bloody-footprints-tested-negative-for-blood/