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Gideon

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Looking at those two graphs Mercury Research numbers were, and still are, for sale, Intel s halved volume sales since 2021 dont match what seems made up numbers from this firm.


Possibly, but there could be other explanations as well. Such as the rise of Graviton and vendor-specific ARM processors, affecting the first graph heavily, but the other one not as much. And things like prioritizing AI servers postponing upgrading the traditional ones as ServeTheHome writes:
In the server market right now the macro trend is that AI servers are fairly easy to sell because there are still GPU constraints in the market. The demand is very strong. To fund that, companies are looking to web servers and relatively lower-performance machines and saying things like: “I understand that I can take a 4-year old machine and consolidate 8:1 using today’s new cloud-native processors, but I can also spend my budget this year on AI servers and let those servers run another year or two.”

This again would end up affecting volume but not x86 market share
 

Abwx

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needs a new thread
Numbers are quite generic so personaly i wont do one, we can notice that they had a slight Q/Q set back in DC surely due to AI, and a modest Q/Q improvement in gaming due to RDNA4 being delayed, Y/Y numbers are also generic :


First quarter revenue 36% year-over-year.

  • Data Center segment revenue in the quarter was $3.7 billion, up 57% year-over-year primarily driven by growth in AMD EPYC™ CPU and AMD Instinct™ GPU sales.
  • Client and Gaming segment revenue in the quarter was $2.9 billion, up 28% year-over-year. Client revenue was $2.3 billion, up 68% year-over-year primarily driven by strong demand for the latest “Zen 5” AMD Ryzen™ processors and a richer mix. Gaming revenue was $647 million, down 30% year-over-year primarily due to a decrease in semi-custom revenue.
  • Embedded segment revenue in the quarter was $823 million, down 3% year-over-year as demand in end markets remained mixed.
 
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Joe NYC

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We hear a lot from people who sound very sophisticated, who tell us that desktop is tiny and irrelevant, and of desktop overall, DIY and gaming desktops are even tinier fraction of this tiny and irrelevant fraction.

But then, we heard from AMD CEO and CFO that the strength of client revenue rested mainly on strength of desktop overall and desktop PCs for gaming in particular. The word "desktop" was mentioned 11 times in the conference call.

As far as market share, AMD gained 2.4% revenue market share this quarter alone, and 9.1% YoY (from a very weak Q1 2024, when Intel stuffed the channel as part of typical underhanded Intel shenanigans). Some numbers here:



As far as ASPs, AMD ASPs went up by double digits in Q1, mainly due to 9800x3d (IMO).

Intel ASPs were not disclosed QoQ, but were flat YoY. What does this mean? In Q1 2024, vast majority of processors Intel sold were Raptor Lake, small percentage of Meteor Lake.

From Q1 2024 to Q1 2025, Intel added more Meteor Lake (which has TSMC tiles and higher cost), Lunar Lake (which is all TSMC, a lot more expensive, and has memory as part of the ASP) and Alder Lake (all TSMC).

So Intel costs went up a lot due to sourcing from TSMC, cost of memory included in ASP and more expensive packaging, yet revenue did not improve. These trends are likely to continue for the rest of 2025, and the trend is to lower and lower profitability for Intel and higher revenue and profitability for AMD.
 

jpiniero

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As far as ASPs, AMD ASPs went up by double digits in Q1, mainly due to 9800x3d (IMO).

43%, and no not 9800X3D... but does suggest that they did manage to get OEMs to buy Zen 5 mobile.

Client and Gaming net revenue of $2.9 billion for the three months ended March 29, 2025 increased by 28%, compared to net revenue of $2.3 billion for the prior year period. Client revenue was $2.3 billion, up 68% from the prior year period, primarily driven by a 43% increase in average selling price, and a 23% increase in unit shipments of AMD Ryzen mobile and desktop processors. Gaming revenue was $647 million, down 30% from the prior year period, primarily due to a decrease in semi-custom revenue.
 

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We hear a lot from people who sound very sophisticated, who tell us that desktop is tiny and irrelevant, and of desktop overall, DIY and gaming desktops are even tinier fraction of this tiny and irrelevant fraction.
Don't hear much of anything from them now. The layoffs at Intel are hitting hard. Have to wonder how many of those raptors they flooded the channel with have had to be replaced.

Desktop only accounted for 20% of sales during the record boom of 20-21. Thing is, that was still almost 75 million systems, and it did not include DIY.
 

Joe NYC

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43%, and no not 9800X3D... but does suggest that they did manage to get OEMs to buy Zen 5 mobile.

I think that comparison (in prepared remarks) was YoY. There was another reference in Q+A to QoQ numbers, and those were up "double digits" in ASP.

It seems that the trend with client ASPs may continue. Some contributions in upcoming quarters:
- Kraken vs. Phoenix / Hawk may have a slightly higher price
- 9950x3d will have more material impact than 9950x and 7950x3d it supersedes
- Strix Halo - a new category in high ASP range
- shift in desktop from AM4 to AM5 (and higher priced CPUs)
 

Joe NYC

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Don't hear much of anything from them now. The layoffs at Intel are hitting hard. Have to wonder how many of those raptors they flooded the channel with have had to be replaced.

Desktop only accounted for 20% of sales during the record boom of 20-21. Thing is, that was still almost 75 million systems, and it did not include DIY.

Lisa also mentioned start of the ramp in commercial space (including desktop). Dell has 3 separate desktop form factors, which now include AMD CPUs. Dell is the strongest brand in commercial sales in the US, and Q2 is start of that ramp. AMD based commercial PCs will be available from Dell for 2 of the 3 months of the quarter, so it is just the start.

There was a separate leak of Gorgon Point (Kraken Refresh) for socket AM5, and these will go straight into these Dell desktop form factors (replacing Pheonix AM5) with addition of CoPilot+ logo.
 

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Here was an interesting question (in post earnings interview on CNBC) that Lisa side-stepped. Stark contrast to someone (who now looks like a clown character) talking about rear-view mirror...

"And then this notion Lisa I'm not sure how comfortable you are addressing it of Intel as a share donor."

 
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Joe NYC

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Here is a chart I came across on Twitter (from SemiAnalysis, don't have the link to article) that shows YoY revenue change between AMD and Intel.

On the first look (and second look) it looks horrible for Intel, but it is important to take a look at the first data point, where AMD was down > 60% YoY.

Which means starting point is has AMD in a big hole. This was (IIRC) a quarter after Intel dumped it inventory on the channel, from which, it took a year+ to recover.

 
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