AMD advocate program

[Keysplayr]

All AMD fans like Thilan are actually looking for a smoking gun. Anything short of that, which even a braindead chimpanzee can deduce as "Yes, apparently there are viral AMD stealth marketers out there and damn for sure here at AT as well." Just wont do. Ain't that right Thilan.

Did anyone notice that Rober Hallock stated that this advocate plan is simply an extension of the program AMD already had in place? Hold on a sec, let me find where I saw that. BRB.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nvidia fanatics want there to be AMD shills.... because they hate AMD and their supporters but also because Nvidia already does this Focus group business.They want to be able to say 'AMD does it too'.

So that's how you're going to wrap your "mind" around this then?
I'm actually not surprised, really.

 

[NIGELG]

So that's how you're going to wrap your "mind" around this then?
I'm actually not surprised, really.

And I am not surprised that instead of highlighting your own company's strengths and weaknesses like a real Focus Group Member should... you continue on a relentless crusade against AMD...Tsk tsk.

Tell us about Nvidia man.Let AMD hang their own self if they are guilty.Why do you care?

 

[chimaxi83]

All AMD fans like Thilan are actually looking for a smoking gun. Anything short of that, which even a braindead chimpanzee can deduce as "Yes, apparently there are viral AMD stealth marketers out there and damn for sure here at AT as well." Just wont do. Ain't that right Thilan.

Did anyone notice that Rober Hallock stated that this advocate plan is simply an extension of the program AMD already had in place? Hold on a sec, let me find where I saw that. BRB.

Another deflection/non answer in a long string of deflections. Business as usual.

Anyway, just being some fanboy isn't proof. Being clearly biased towards Nvidia isn't proof of being an undercover shill, so people being AMD biased isn't proof either.

 

[Keysplayr]

And I am not surprised that instead of highlighting your own company's strengths and weaknesses like a real Focus Group Member should... you continue on a relentless crusade against AMD...Tsk tsk.

Tell us about Nvidia man.Let AMD hang their own self if they are guilty.Why do you care?

Like a real Focus Group Member should? As opposed to a fake one, or a regular person with opinions of their own? You're a panic. Chew your popcorn.

 

[Keysplayr]

Another deflection/non answer in a long string of deflections. Business as usual.

Anyway, just being some fanboy isn't proof. Being clearly biased towards Nvidia isn't proof of being an undercover shill, so people being AMD biased isn't proof either.

Actually the actual deflection is being done by others. Hands on ears, eyes closed and yelling blah blah blah won't get you anywhere in life bud.

BTW, anyone wants a real conversation without the trolls, you know where to go.

 

[3DVagabond]

So the issue is that apoppin does not like some users on this forum, and now he is complaining to AMD about it? It is hard to read it any other way, isn't it?

+1

I'm trying to figure out the point of Keys posting it. It basically says they are expanding their review base.

apoppin loses it because of his hatred for AT VC&G and goes postal. What a friggin moron. It was pretty obvious "Robert" didn't know anything about him. He might have blown his chance to start getting review samples again by not being able to control his psychosis about us.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah. Its a real thorn in many peoples side that its turning out that Mark was right the whole time.
Sucks right.
So I'm gonna bring over some nachos and hang with Nigel.

Don't start something and then try and bail out. Name names.

 

[SolMiester]

Didnt the guy Robert already say that the advocate program was an extension of an existing program and that the people involved were supposed to put there hands up...
I guess what Keys & Mark are saying, is that they haven't seen anyone do that and admit their ties to the program, so either none exist or they are not transparent...

 

[railven]

All AMD fans like Thilan are actually looking for a smoking gun. Anything short of that, which even a braindead chimpanzee can deduce as "Yes, apparently there are viral AMD stealth marketers out there and damn for sure here at AT as well." Just wont do. Ain't that right Thilan.

Did anyone notice that Rober Hallock stated that this advocate plan is simply an extension of the program AMD already had in place? Hold on a sec, let me find where I saw that. BRB.

My issue with this whole debacle is more so people are using this accusation as a blanket statement to discredit someone they don't agree with. Hell, on ABT people made threads accusing people here only to have reasonable people tell them they were being paranoid (and quiet handsomely owned in the topic of discussion.)

Are there shills here? Sure, stealth ones, more than likely yes, is it only AMD, of course not, does everyone follow company letter to the T, most likely not - rogue employees are awesome, and we can keep this line of thought going. I can't prove any of my claims, nor can I deny them, however, with that said - how can I say x-poster is a shill? Don't list to him, all he does is spread propaganda and FUD. So is y-poster. Hey, Z-poster just said something I don't like, he's a shill too.

You can't deny my accusation of me calling you guys shills. So it stands.

I should just make a sig with all the people who have been accused of shilling and let it grow. Perhaps that will make some of you realize how easily and often you toss this empty (yet harsh) accusation around.

 

[Ferzerp]

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.

Let's assume such a program exists.

We know the size of Anandtech.

If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

 

[SolMiester]

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.

Let's assume such a program exists.

We know the size of Anandtech.

If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

I think thats the whole point, the guy said the program already existed, this was an extension, how come we dont see any of them here on AFT?

 

[wand3r3r]

FFS grasping at straws much?

The Advocacy Program is an extension of AMD’s preexisting New Product Review Program (NPRP), which sends hardware samples to established websites (like ABT) for the purposes of independent third-party analysis.

Ok so you suspect there are shills here, so what? You don't need to try twist the guys words.

At least get a better source than one that clearly shows the opposite and try to twist it.

 

[Arkaign]

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.

Let's assume such a program exists.

We know the size of Anandtech.

If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

Oh we see it all the time for sure.

One of my favorites is the random cropups of morons who come into the CPU forum and start idiotic BD/PD threads that are based on utter nonsense.

 

[Ferzerp]

FFS grasping at straws much?



Ok so you suspect there are shills here, so what? You don't need to try twist the guys words.

At least get a better source than one that clearly shows the opposite and try to twist it.

Perhaps you should reread what you quoted.

It does not indicate what you are implying that it indicates.

(I'll give you a hint, the which clause is not modifying the noun that you are attaching it to, but instead the one that it is sitting right beside)

 

[Arkaign]

I think thats the whole point, the guy said the program already existed, this was an extension, how come we dont see any of them here on AFT?

Because I don't think they actually tell you they're shills in the first place. I would be surprised if there weren't dozens upon dozens of shills here for AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and so on.

 

[Outrage]

Aint this advocate program solid proof that there has never been an AMD Shill program? why would they start up something they already are doing?

 

[Ferzerp]

I could not find anything that says it is new. Can you please call out what documentation you are basing that on?

 

[chimaxi83]

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.

Let's assume such a program exists.

We know the size of Anandtech.

If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

It's not likely at all, in my opinion. That's different than what Apoppin she crusade though, because he said he had specific proof. Keys piggybacked onto that. Having specific proof isn't the same as what we can do in assuming they're probably here because of Anandtech's size.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think thats the whole point, the guy said the program already existed, this was an extension, how come we dont see any of them here on AFT?

The Advocacy Program is an extension of AMD’s preexisting New Product Review Program (NPRP), which sends hardware samples to established websites (like ABT) for the purposes of independent third-party analysis. We hope to make these same inroads with new communication channels, like bloggers, YouTube reviewers and Twitter users, all of whom provide a unique and knowledgeable perspective that could add to the audience of independent reviewers already looking at our products in traditional press outlets. There are dozens of users with extremely large networks, an interest in technology, and no mechanism by which they might have access to open and honestly review a product in the same way that you might be able to as an established journalist.

It clearly states this is a new program. Where do you get the understanding that it already exists?

 

[NIGELG]

Actually the actual deflection is being done by others. Hands on ears, eyes closed and yelling blah blah blah won't get you anywhere in life bud.

BTW, anyone wants a real conversation without the trolls, you know where to go.

Now you are shilling for your own website????:thumbsdown:

 

[railven]

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.

Let's assume such a program exists.

We know the size of Anandtech.

If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

Hell, I'd go as far as saying surely some of members here belong to said program.

But who? And do they even post in the VC&G section? Maybe they don't like the products but continue to review just to get em, and don't even think twice about saying anything nice about AMD?

Heck, what if they are secret nVidia guys and actually use the program to get free hardware to trash it on forums (isn't that what Groove is accused of, just the reversal?)

Where do our imaginations end?

 

[railven]

Oh we see it all the time for sure.

One of my favorites is the random cropups of morons who come into the CPU forum and start idiotic BD/PD threads that are based on utter nonsense.

And those guys are so obvious they get laughed out of the forum. Sometimes I don't even think they have the hardware and are some kind of middle-man just pasting posters around town getting paid 50 cents per poster - like I use to do during the summer of 94, shut up it was honest money! haha.

 

[Grooveriding]

Now you are shilling for your own website????:thumbsdown:

LOL

Perhaps this is all a nvidia focus group master plan hatched by Rollo to deflect attention from the myriad of stealth nvidia viral marketers still on this forum.

I see lots of people here defending every single nvidia feature, no matter how half-assed, rambling on about financials and attacking AMD every chance they can. Seems we need Mulder and Sculley on the case, the nvidia viral shills are hatching a deflection campaign.

 

[thilanliyan]

All AMD fans like Thilan are actually looking for a smoking gun. Anything short of that, which even a braindead chimpanzee can deduce as "Yes, apparently there are viral AMD stealth marketers out there and damn for sure here at AT as well." Just wont do. Ain't that right Thilan.

Being or not being an AMD fan has nothing to do with asking for proof of claims YOU are making. Did I ASSUME there was an nVidia viral marketing program before proof came out about AEG? Go and try to find some posts of me suggesting so and/or accusing anyone of being part of a nVidia viral marketing program before proof came out...you won't find any. Apparently many of us here are "braindead chimpanzees" for asking for proof? Gotcha.

That statement right there from you makes it clear that you have no real proof and are going to stand by "well, it MUST be happening, seriously...just think about it". Once again I (and others) have asked for proof, and once again none has been forthcoming.

Did anyone notice that Rober Hallock stated that this advocate plan is simply an extension of the program AMD already had in place? Hold on a sec, let me find where I saw that. BRB.

The program that's already in place is the NPRP which is for professional review websites if I am reading that correctly, not for "shilling".

(I'll give you a hint, the which clause is not modifying the noun that you are attaching it to, but instead the one that it is sitting right beside)

Sorry, I'm not an English major (it's not even my first language!). Can you please clarify what YOU think it means? I'm reading it the same way wand3r3r and some others are, but maybe I'm missing something.

I'm going to put this out there without judgment.
Let's assume such a program exists.
We know the size of Anandtech.
If such a program exists, given the size of AT, how likely is it that none of the members target ATF?

That whole thought process is the problem right there (I know you are just suggesting it and not necessarily thinking it yourself) and is what Keys and maybe some others are doing I think. I absolutely agree that IF AMD had a viral marketing program that they would definitely target this forum. BUT WHY ARE WE TO ASSUME THAT SUCH A PROGRAM EXISTS? Just because nVidia does it? The existence of such a program (ON ANY SITE) is the proof that others and myself are asking for. If there is proof of such a program, then more than likely it exists on our forum, but that is the problem for me...so far I have not seen ANY proof of such a program existing.

Some people are making the assumption that a program exists and coming to what is likely the correct conclusion (that there are AMD shills here) BASED ON THAT ASSUMPTION. That's sort of backwards thinking IMO since it is easy to come to whatever conclusion you want based on whatever assumptions you make. My upbringing and schooling have taught me not to assume too many things, which is why I like to see solid proof, but that's just me.