So limiting the TDP drops prices to $500?! Or are we to believe that making a card with a smaller VRM stage and smaller heatsink deserves a price premium?Excellent, now release a 175W TDP Radeon VII Nano to compete against RTX 2070
No such thing as a bad product, only a bad price.Sometimes you just got to call it what it is - it's a bad card. It's slower, more power hungry, louder, has less features, very likely o/c worse, and is from a less premium brand then it's direct identically priced competitor. That competitor (the 2080) regularly gets flamed for it's price/performance so there's no way that something measurably worse in nearly every way deserves anything less then the full roasting.
So limiting the TDP drops prices to $500?! Or are we to believe that making a card with a smaller VRM stage and smaller heatsink deserves a price premium?
It can be a 75W TDP card, if the price is the same impact is still academic.I dont like the prices but at 175W TDP it will make a bigger impact as a product.
So a theoretical 2070ti hitting the middle ground between 2070 and 2080 in both performance and pricing would be pathetic. Good to know you think this way of Turing.
I would expect this card to get the flak for poor day 1 driver support, noise, availability, but performance?!
Lots of people griped about the 2080.yeah, kind of weird that this is "pathetic" when nVidia releasing a card 2 years later that matches their old card's performance, at the same price, is revolutionary.
Underwhelming is probably the right term here, but this isn't a card that was seriously hyped for any amount of time.
Lots of people griped about the 2080.
Lots of people voted by keeping their 1080ti cards.
Lots of people recommended a 1080ti over a 2080.
They still do.
I've absolutely never had issues with any Radeon drivers in my life. I think they are just finding frivolous issues.
Snagged 2, had my brother order one also.
edit:dam tried for 3 they sold out.
Amd Radeon VII 'not ready for launch'...
Because AMD completely overhauled its API calls for this card, no current software utilities work for it. Afterburner is broken, GPU-z needs an update (and its creator is on vacation), and Wattool is also largely non-functioning. This leaves us with AMD’s WattMan, which is also presently in a largely unusable state.
Aside from innumerable other bugs encountered, some of which we’ll list below, the most noteworthy was that manual overclocking yields worse performance than running stock in at least 9/10 cases. That one time it doesn’t is typically within variance. All “overclocks” must be validated with performance testing, as misreporting of the clocks will lead users to believe the OC is actually working...
AMD’s drivers have largely improved over the past months, which is perhaps why it’s so disappointing that the Radeon VII drivers are so riddled with bugs. The company has worked hard to eradicate this perception of bad drivers, and has done well to fix its image and its driver packages, but botched the entire thing in one go with Radeon VII. Here’s a small list of what we encountered – we didn’t write all of them down...
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3437-amd-radeon-vii-review-not-ready-for-launch
So according to this review by gamersnexus, Radeon VII is equal in performance with RTX 2080 at 4K , same MSRP price and according to this review at the same total system power consumption.
I did not focus on the power draw here, but rather the buggy mess that the reviewer had to go through reviewing the card. Secondly, not sure how consistent power draw measurements can be from game to game, you have to look at other charts, reviews to determine whether an overall pattern may better represent the power draw. I hate cherry picking individual points of data to reach absolute conclusions on anything, and I will say that even this review (by a well regarded reviewer) should not be taken as a final say regarding the product in question.So according to this review by gamersnexus, Radeon VII is equal in performance with RTX 2080 at 4K , same MSRP price and according to this review at the same total system power consumption.
Excellent, now release a 175W TDP Radeon VII Nano to compete against RTX 2070
People with pro needs or miners will buy all cards anyway. There will be zero left.
Meaningless card for gamers imo. Display of a failure.
Honestly I wouldn't even pay $10 for anything that needed +3,000rpm fans. Seriously, 1998 called and wanted their Delta's back...No such thing as a bad product, only a bad price.
IIRC, that's some sort of sensor/driver glitch?Honestly I wouldn't even pay $10 for anything that needed +3,000rpm fans. Seriously, 1998 called and wanted their Delta's back...
Well, we had quite a few $1200 cards fail recently...