AMD Athlon Processors - Quality Check

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i have this few group of classmates who think the Athlon is of no quality. how do i convince them that these processors are of high quality? does anyone have a link so that i have a hardcopy to show them?

i'm no AMD zealot but "AMD=bad quality" is hard on the ears.
 

RSMemphis

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Most Intel zealots on this board will attest you that the Athlon is not poor in quality (although it lost the speed crown)...
Seems like your friend has no clue and should just live and die stupidly.

I don't think you can convince anyone who has made up their mind w/o knowing the facts...

Oh, and btw, Samsung makes crappy monitors.
 

FishTankX

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Hahahaha! Uh....

The truth is, that no processor is of higher quality. If the processor, on it's native platform (I.E. AMD760 for AMD or i850/i845) has any problems with crashing, it's of poor quality because it will crash when there are no external problems. I've never seen an AMD processor crash on an AMD chipset, neither have I seen a pentium 4 crash on an i850E system that was related to the chipset. (I've seen my i850 system crash more times than I can count, most due to harddrive corruption of some sort). The problem is that it's incredibly hard to "Prove" the "Quality" of the processor. WTF? What the hell do they mean by "Quality"?! If it runs, it runs. If it crashes, it doesn't run. If it runs, it's high quality.

I would challange your friends to a contest. Stick an AMD processor in a KG7-RAID and put in 256MB of crucial DDRSDRAM and let it run Prime95 for 2 weeks. If it crashes, AMD processors are of poor quality. Then let them try that on an intel processor. If it crashes, it's of poor quality. I'd be suprised if either processor crashed on their native platforms!

Now, on the physical side of things, the Thunderbird is of inferior *build* quality to the pentium4 (I.E. Easy to crack, easy to fry, easy to damage. After all, it's on ceramic packaging). The AthlonXP is a vastly superior CPU in physical build quality. I still say the highest quality CPU's that ever came out of AMD was the Slot1 Athlon. You could literally drop it on the floor and step on it and it would come out OK. But the AthlonXP is a close runners up (You can still drop it and expect it not to suffer excessive damage) and the throughbread should be equal to the AthlonXP.

Now, I will state this now. The Thunderbird packaging is of completly inferior build quality compared to the Pentium4. Does that matter? Not necescarily, but I would dare you to let a noob install an Athlon heatsink and see if he manages to screw things up. Then I dare you to let a noob install a Pentium4 heatsink and see if he can mess things up. (I guarantee you, 9 times out of 10, the Pentium4 will survive more noob instillations than the Thunderbird. 7 times out of 10, the Pentium4 will survive more noob installiations than the AthlonXP.)

The only way to convince them the Athlon is of good quallity is to take a good stable motherboard like the KG7 and a well cooled AthlonXP and let it run prime 95 for a month or so, and see if it crashes. Then let them try that feat on a P4X266 heh heh... no just kidding. Let them try that feat on an i850 motherboard, and see if it'll crash. Neither should, really. Unless ofcourse, you drop one system, then they'll both crash.

At any rate, the only way a processor should be of better quality than the other is it's physical build quality, and in that position the Thunderbird/AthlonXP/Throughbred have always been of slightly inferior build quality when compared to the Pentium4. When we're talking about chipping cores and frying things and such, the AthlonXP has a natrual disadvantage. It's buck naked.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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If AMD's processors are of such low quality, why don't you have your classmates make one of their own. Let's see how well it works. As Sohcan and Wingznut PEZ have pointed out in the past, making a CPU is no trivial matter. I'd like to know what qualifies a processor as "high quality" to your friends...
 

Zugzwang152

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*coughs*

I cracked a T-bird core once...when i was a noob..hell, i still am compared to the vast majority of AT'ers :-D

As for "Quality," your friends are probably referring to the beaten-to-death discussion of Mhz vs. efficiency (ie, Intel vs. AMD, respectively).

And if so, your friends are all noobs. The performance of a processor is a generic standard. Intel and AMD happen to go about it in different ways. AMD makes efficient use of clock cycles, while Intel strives for the best physical design so they can shrink dies and boost clock speeds. Either way, you want that "quality" cpu that will perform the best.
 

MistaTastyCakes

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Your friends are right, AMD sucks! Do your friends play any games created by Electronic Arts? I'm pretty sure EA uses AMD. So does part of NASA, if I'm not mistaken..

But yeah, only suckers buy AMD. They crash every 10 minutes and it takes a wind tunnel to cool one!
 

ACE101

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You're treading on dangerous waters here, the Intel vs. AMD agrument can get mighty hot sometimes.....

But seriously, AMD CPUs have always been comparable to Intel CPUs in quality and reliability. That being said, the CHIPSETS for AMD CPUs used to be pretty dismal. Since people don't generally differentiate between a CPU and a chipset, AMD CPUs have taken the hit. However, with much better chipsets have come the same reliability as any Intel setup. Intel, though, has taken the speed crown back, but with their standard added cost of ownership.

Just be happy there are two companies competing for CPU sales, it makes it all the better for us.

Ron
 

dawks

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I think the processors are good quality.. the big issue maybe with chipsets.. which arent as 'nice' as they are on the intel side of things.

Im not sure about the latest Intel chipsets.. but I dont like the idea of having to install drivers for my chipset, like you do on the AMD platform.
 

SuperSix

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AMD has a fine processor design, but horrible implementation. The fragile core and low price cause many a cracked core..

 

Priit

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IMO, even the implemention isn't too bad, you just have to be little more careful with heatsink installation (Even thought it still works, I've broken one side of my T-bird with heatsink when tried to remove it while being little drunk - alcohol and computers doesn't match More, IMO the quality of MS software is way below any processor ever made...
 

Goi

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Some people just have weird ideas and you just cannot convince them no matter what amount of objective and subjective proff you show them. I have a friend who has a crap 2.1 Aiwa computer speakers system, while at the same time he also owns a Sony microsystem which, according to myself and a few other friends, sound much better than the single driver Aiwa crap. The owner however, insists that its "clearer" on the Aiwa while "crackly" on the Sony, and goes on to rave about how good the Aiwa subwoofer is...er, yeah, ok...I just gave up trying to convince him after a few attempts.
 

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well some of you guys are right that it's impossible to convince them. anyway, at least i know i'll be laughing at them when they buy p3s or willamettes and not athlon xps...
 

Zugzwang152

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Hey Priit, can you crack a core on MS software though? In fact, can you do ANYTHING to software that a fresh format/install won't fix? Ah ha. The day when self-regenerating cpu cores come around, is the day i buy my last cpu.
 

RanDum72

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would challange your friends to a contest. Stick an AMD processor in a KG7-RAID and put in 256MB of crucial DDRSDRAM and let it run Prime95 for 2 weeks.

Yup, my old KG7 has been running 24/7 since first week of February without a single crash. It goes thru a couple of hours of Counterstrike every day, with programming, web surfing, Photoshop, and other games filling in the rest of its schedule. CPU is Athlon XP 1600+ with 512 Crucial PC2100, RAID 0 and an Audigy soundcard.
 

Priit

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Zugzwang152: supporting MS software makes me drink -> being drunk I may broke some hardware And there are viruses for Windows that flash your BIOS with random crap, fix that with re-install
 
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