AMD Carrizo APU Details Leaked

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ShintaiDK

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Microsoft and Nintendo both get it manufactured for them by IBM. Not heard that TSMC are capable of EDRAM, any links?

http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/hdm.htm

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...edded-dram-process-for-xbox-360-58229277.html

"Microsoft's selection of the TSMC 90nm eDRAM process for the
graphics-rich Xbox 360 is an important validation of the capability and
maturity of the technology," said John Wei, senior director of Platform
Marketing, Advanced Technology Division of TSMC. "Furthermore, the
production marks the successful continuation to an ongoing collaboration
between Microsoft and TSMC."

 
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sm625

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I think the future of AMD will be its cat line. If we see any large cores introduced in the future, they'll most likely be based off the small cat cores; from my understanding they're very efficient and well utilized, just largely execution limited. Maybe AMD will name them after big cats?

They are a dead end. A 1.2GHz broadwell core should outperform a 2GHz cat core (A6-5200), while using less die area and less power. AMD had a brief window of opportunity with their cat cores simply because the intel gpus of the time couldnt perform adequately for general web usage. That is long gone now.
 

Fjodor2001

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A 1.2GHz broadwell core should outperform a 2GHz cat core (A6-5200), while using less die area and less power.

And the price of that Broadwell chip would match that of the AMD cat chip?

Also, when you say it uses less die area, I guess you're assuming they are on different process nodes, right?
 

Enigmoid

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And the price of that Broadwell chip would match that of the AMD cat chip?

Also, when you say it uses less die area, I guess you're assuming they are on different process nodes, right?

Broadwell will likely not compete too much with the cat cores. Intel will likely push atom into that corner.
 

coercitiv

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They are a dead end. A 1.2GHz broadwell core should outperform a 2GHz cat core (A6-5200), while using less die area and less power.
Broadwell ULT est. die area - 114 mm^2
Kabini die area - 107mm^2

Cinebench 11.5 score
Athlon 5350 @ 2.05 GHZ - 1.99
Haswell Quad @ 1GHZ - 2.01
 

Deceneu

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So how come talking about Intel and Microsoft here ,on this thread ,for pages,with no relation to the Carrizo whatsoever is not thread crapping Mr Stahlhart ?!
Have you read this thread.
Or only newcomers to the forum are to be warned.
Feel free to ban me ,i couldn t care less.

The mod callout gets you an infraction
These are not allowed, but I think you know that.
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el etro

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Broadwell ULT est. die area - 114 mm^2
Kabini die area - 107mm^2

Cinebench 11.5 score
Athlon 5350 @ 2.05 GHZ - 1.99
Haswell Quad @ 1GHZ - 2.01

Haswell ULV is still costier. If not for consumers, its for Intel.
 

Erenhardt

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So how come talking about Intel and Microsoft here ,on this thread ,for pages,with no relation to the Carrizo whatsoever is not thread crapping Mr Stahlhart ?!
Have you read this thread.
Or only newcomers to the forum are to be warned.
Feel free to ban me ,i couldn t care less.

bye-bye
You are screwed as much as AMD is, if not worst.
 

Fjodor2001

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Don't forget Airmont.

Which is something completely else, and not Broadwell, which was what he said.

And anyway, it's uncertain how good Airmont will perform. So far the low-priced notebook and mobile CPUs from Intel have failed to impress, and have not sold in much volume. That is despite Intel year after year claiming that next year they will succeed.
 

mikk

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Broadwell ULT est. die area - 114 mm^2
Kabini die area - 107mm^2

Cinebench 11.5 score
Athlon 5350 @ 2.05 GHZ - 1.99
Haswell Quad @ 1GHZ - 2.01


Your BDW die estimate looks wrong. Die estimate is 80-85 mm² for Broadwell-Y/ULT.
 

Fjodor2001

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Your BDW die estimate looks wrong. Die estimate is 80-85 mm² for Broadwell-Y/ULT.

Are we talking about total die size (all CPU cores + iGPU)? And has it been compensated for that they are on different process nodes? Otherwise I guess the comparison will be skewed.
 

witeken

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And anyway, it's uncertain how good Airmont will perform. So far the low-priced notebook and mobile CPUs from Intel have failed to impress, and have not sold in much volume. That is despite Intel year after year claiming that next year they will succeed.
Airmont will have 2.7GHz turbo clock speed, about 10% higher. But it will consume a lot less power and it will have a huge increase in GPU power.

I don't think Intel claims every year that they'll succeed next year. For 2014, they simply stated they will sell 40M chips.
 

witeken

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mikk

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Are we talking about total die size (all CPU cores + iGPU)? And has it been compensated for that they are on different process nodes? Otherwise I guess the comparison will be skewed.


Total die size of CPU+GPU on 14nm of course. This is most likely a 2+2 version Intel showed at IDF.
 

coercitiv

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Your BDW die estimate looks wrong. Die estimate is 80-85 mm² for Broadwell-Y/ULT.
It's probably wrong, I used the 2C GT3 die area. The estimate is based on this article, you also did the math in the comments

However, since we're taking a better look at this estimate, shouldn't we add the PCH die area in the comparison? The Kabini die already includes the FCH.
 

NTMBK

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What is wrong? We don't have 2+3 Broadwell picture, I doubt Broadwell-Y will get a 2+3 configuration.

I'm sure they'll make a 2+3 configuration just for Apple, even if no-one else gets it.
 
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