AMD Fury X Reviews

[exar333]

Nivida and AMD don't typical provide official means of modifying the voltage do they? Not on CCC anyway. I think it might be something to have expected that no third party apps would have support, just like GPUz wasnt even detecting the GPU correctly.

If it really is locked by AMD though thats another thing.

Sure they do. NV does this today...they allow TDP slider, voltage increases and core/mem clock adjustments. Note, both the max TDP is limited by NV (but is sometimes modified by AIB) and max voltage is limited as well. For most Kepler/Maxwell cards, you can't really OC much beyond the limit anyways without enhanced cooling (WC, etc.). For that, you need a custom BIOS usually.

AMD typically does all the same, but they haven't limited TDP or voltage.

Generally EVGA Precision X/AB or OD/etc on the AMD side are working out of the box for all new cards. This lack of tools is definitely weird...maybe this was done to help stop leaks before launch?

 

[Beetee2]

As someone who doesn't play many games anymore, it's interesting to sit back and look @ what these companies are doing. I'd never consider playing at 4k right now, some games are not even playable maxxed out. What's the point in even offering the settings if you can't play that game on max settings either A) at 4k and with a loss of the refresh rate, or B) at 144 hz at a lower resolution and never drop below 144 fps? The only time anyone will be able to hit those marks on games that are out today are in 4 years when nobody even plays these games anymore!

There really needs to be a breakthrough in GPU technology imo, otherwise this is just a big snoozefest to me. And what's the point in even spending money on a card when my 7970 will play any game out and still keep me in the same boat, at a playable frame rate, without maxxed out settings, and not high enough to run 100% of the time at 144 fps+?

I'm not flaming or trolling, I just really don't get the video card market these days. As a former enthusiast it's very disappointing. If anyone can explain to me a logical reason of why it benefits anyone who CAN play today's games to even consider purchasing one of these newer cards, I'm all ears and would love to hear what you have to say!

 

[sze5003]

Would you really buy a Fury X to game at 1080p?
Might as well use a 290 or GTX970 for that res.

Why not, my current card has some issues with maxed out settings at 1080.

 

[Azix]

Sure they do. NV does this today...they allow TDP slider, voltage increases and core/mem clock adjustments. Note, both the max TDP is limited by NV (but is sometimes modified by AIB) and max voltage is limited as well. For most Kepler/Maxwell cards, you can't really OC much beyond the limit anyways without enhanced cooling (WC, etc.). For that, you need a custom BIOS usually.

AMD typically does all the same, but they haven't limited TDP or voltage.

Generally EVGA Precision X/AB or OD/etc on the AMD side are working out of the box for all new cards. This lack of tools is definitely weird...maybe this was done to help stop leaks before launch?

Wait, are you sure about that? I haven't seen such a thing in catalyst. With nvidia i used ASUS GPU tweak and checked afterburner etc. None of these are official nvidia I think. Well I don't know what the relationship there is.

They definitely don't write those apps though so if its possible its till up to the respective companies to update for the new hardware.

 

[blastingcap]

Would you really buy a Fury X to game at 1080p?
Might as well use a 290 or GTX970 for that res.

I agree, 290 would be best value choice for 1080p.

However many people still game at 1080p, some on 3D or >100Hz monitors. And some games are intensive enough maxed quality at 1080p that you will not get a firm 60fps without something like a Fury X or 980 Ti.

1440-1600p: "If you're gaming at 1080p or 1440p, the GTX 980 Ti offers better value for money." http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...ry-x-review/14

If Fury X included a good game bundle that would raise the fair price as well but as it stands only water cooling enthusiasts playing at 4K are getting any price/perf break compared to GTX 980 Ti, and even then the price break is minimal if it exists at all... factor in all the other things I mentioned like 2GB/DVI/HDMI 2.0 impact on resale value, game bundles, OC headroom, etc.

 

[Tapoer]

Unfortunately, until AMD reduces the driver overhead, they will have more and more problems extracting performance from high end GPU.
That is the only reason why Nvidia is faster with lower resolution and Fury X can only compete at 4k.

The last Anandtech review of the 7870k APU was very clear, high end GPU from AMD perform much worse with low end CPU that Nvidia GPU. AMD needs a high end overclocked CPU to compete.

From what I saw, driver 15.20 for Win10 seems to give 30% drawcalls boost in D3D11, will it be enough?

Here are my results listed for both windows 8 and 10.

Powercolour R9 290 PCS+ (1170/1600) (Elpida)
4790k @4800

Windows 10 Build 10041
Driver version 15.200.1012.2 (latest from windows update)
http://www.3dmark.com/aot/3268

DX11 Multi-threaded draw calls per second 1233983
DX11 Single-threaded draw calls per second 1298470
DX12 draw calls per second 22198217
Mantle draw calls per second 21425637


Windows 8.1
Catalyst 15.3 Beta (14.502.1014.0)
http://www.3dmark.com/aot/3336

DX11 Multi-threaded draw calls per second 1052212
DX11 Single-threaded draw calls per second 999679
Mantle draw calls per second 16211641

(Nvidia with the same CPU could still get 30% more in ST and 100% more at MT)

Was there any review showing the GPU load on Fury X at 1080 and 1440?

EDIT: Just to make it clear, Fury X lack of performance is not just explained because of the CPU overhead, it is an imbalance design or AMD have problems extract performance from all those 4096 vector ALU, as it did when 290 series arrived.

 

[Headfoot]

Until there's custom Fury that does 25% OC, then its moot. GM200 and currently custom 980Ti is KING.

Pointless to argue since AMD clearly failed to deliver especially with lack of vcore mod to abuse the water cooler.

Which is absolutely no indication whatsoever that they will not do so in the near future. Are you telling me you don't think AMD is EVER going to release voltage control?

They will, and it will improve overclocking maxes. I don't see how this is tough to understand. It might even hit 25% OC w/ voltage. Maybe not, but we have yet to see real overclocking. Stock volts overclocking is hardly the full range of overclocking.

 

[SimianR]

I guess if that's the case I wonder why AMD didn't include vcore mod from the get go? I think that's something that needs to be ready from the get-go. Especially when you include a water cooler and your card costs $650.

 

[Tovarisc]

I guess if that's the case I wonder why AMD didn't include vcore mod from the get go? I think that's something that needs to be ready from the get-go. Especially when you include a water cooler and your card costs $650.

And when you make big point about FuryX being overclockers dream come true...

 

[boozzer]

Actually AMD didn't hype anything. They didn't even said anything until Computex & E3, where they claimed world's fastest GPU.. but obviously they forgot about all the GameWorks titles that reviewers would bench. Including those, oops, no longer fastest!

If there's any hype, it would be from gamers like myself who were looking forward to a big performance leap to justify an upgrade. Unfortunately it fell short, but certainly would be very competitive, at $599. They expected too much premium on cool & quiet / benefits of water cooling. AMD marketing drank the NV koolaid actually to put such a premium on water cooling.

the hype was created by one person and one person only, on this forum at least. remember his claim that a 370x was equal to 780 :twisted: and fury x/390x was 50 to 60% over 290x. I was, 100% correct in guessing his motives.
after checking out the french website I trust, it seems fury x is made for 4k gaming only. it trails behind titan x + 980 ti in all the lower resolutions.

anyone got any info on why fury x can't be overclocked atm? I want to see some oc performance!!! fury x factory oc vs the best of 980 ti which is the g1!

edit: I just realized we still have the air cooled fury and nano. what if it is only 550$ and has almost the same performance as fury x? voila. you want cool and quiet? get clc fury x. want to save? get fury or nano!

edit: project cars inclusion in the review avgs is really messed up.

 

[boozzer]

I don't see anyone too concerned with GM200 running 20°C hotter and 10db louder than Fury. It ceased being important when Hawaii was launched. We can go back to those launch threads if you like.

you also realized you switched to the opposite side of your own past arguments? you are now siding with every forum member who has disagreed with you. welcome and be enlightened! :biggrin::twisted:

why do you flip flop? :awe:

 

[exar333]

Wait, are you sure about that? I haven't seen such a thing in catalyst. With nvidia i used ASUS GPU tweak and checked afterburner etc. None of these are official nvidia I think. Well I don't know what the relationship there is.

They definitely don't write those apps though so if its possible its till up to the respective companies to update for the new hardware.

NV/AMD doesn't write the apps, but they do have some limited OC in their control center (but does anyone use that anymore?). They definitely must be working with the AIBs, or at a minimum provide them with what they need, to update the OC overlay apps.

I have bought MANY EVGA cards over the years and there has never been a time their cards did not work, on launch day, with EVGA Prevision. Same with AB.

I see those apps update days before the launch with support for the new cards. This looks like AMD either didn't provide the AIBs with enough working models, or stonewalled the cards to prevent leaks (causing the lack of software to be available for voltage adj).

Either way it goes, it was poorly managed by AMD. This is more how GPUs launched back in 90s, where OC utilities were a bit hit or miss after launch. Even then, I think it worked better, honestly.

 

[Keysplayr]

you also realized you switched to the opposite side of your own past arguments? you are now siding with every forum member who has disagreed with you. welcome and be enlightened! :biggrin::twisted:

why do you flip flop? :awe:

Whatcha talkin bout? We are arguing air cooled vs water cooled in the first place. No flip flopping. GM200 runs cool enough. Water cooled Fury runs cooler. It had better.

 

[krumme]

you also realized you switched to the opposite side of your own past arguments? you are now siding with every forum member who has disagreed with you. welcome and be enlightened! :twisted:

why do you flip flop? :awe:

Isnt fury x about 5-6db less noise than 980ti under heavy gaming? (Thats very noticiable btw)

Damn i remember the 290x reviews and the discussion here about db. It was db all over.The anti 290x was just as crazy and we had about 500 post about noise. I remember a single individual having around 60 post with the excactly same rant about noise.

Now what talk is there this time about db?
Do a count.

 

[Enigmoid]

Isnt fury x about 5-6db less noise than 980ti under heavy gaming? (Thats very noticiable btw)

Damn i remember the 290x reviews and the discussion here about db. It was db all over.The anti 290x was just as crazy and we had about 500 post about noise. I remember a single individual having around 60 post with the excactly same rant about noise.

Now what talk is there this time about db?
Do a count.

Because noise and the irritation it delivers is not linear.

Edit: You don't care as much if its marking some vs. no noise nearly as much than if its making some vs. a lot of noise. There is a threshold for noise where people don't care as much...once that is exceeded then people start caring.

 

[railven]

Isnt fury x about 5-6db less noise than 980ti under heavy gaming? (Thats very noticiable btw)

Damn i remember the 290x reviews and the discussion here about db. It was db all over.The anti 290x was just as crazy and we had about 500 post about noise. I remember a single individual having around 60 post with the excactly same rant about noise.

Now what talk is there this time about db?
Do a count.

I was vocal about 290x fan issue. Welps, back then:
It was slower, used more power, had no custom models for a month or two, it was loud as hell. But it was $100 cheaper (until bitming blew up) and had more VRAM.

Today, for only $20 more I can get this bad boy that is still faster, has more VRAM, uses less power and is only 3dba louder:

I'd just cough up the extra $20.

Because noise and the irritation it delivers is not linear.

Edit: You don't care as much if its marking some vs. no noise nearly as much than if its making some vs. a lot of noise. There is a threshold for noise where people don't care as much...once that is exceeded then people start caring.

Basically this. I'm using a ref GTX 680 right now and my god is that thing loud. I also don't like to let my card run into the 70C which it seems is what NV allowed for it to stay "quiet" in reviews. Cranking that little thing to even 50% fan and it is the loudest thing in my office.

 

[krumme]

Because noise and the irritation it delivers is not linear.

Edit: You don't care as much if its marking some vs. no noise nearly as much than if its making some vs. a lot of noise. There is a threshold for noise where people don't care as much...once that is exceeded then people start caring.

What is this nonsense. We are at noise levels every person on this planet can hear and notice. Way over even a noisy environment. Its very obvious. And the difference at that level means a lot if you have the computer within 2 meters of you.

6db accounts to about a quarter of energy.
1db is just perceptible
3db is clearly noticable
6db is very noticiable
10db sounds as a doubling

Thats how it is.
And what do we hear of ranting about the noisy 980ti? Zip. Zero.

Oc it and it sounds worse than a standard 290x jetplane. Lol.

 

[krumme]

Well i ranted about 2 post about this crappy 290 cooler. And i personally cant stand noise. I am allergic to it - i think..

But i dont go pissing all over the 980ti threads with 20 post because i think its to noisy.

This negativity is pathetic. The rambling is crazy.
Enjoy the tech or buy a different product. Clearly the 980ti is faster so if you dont need the silent solution its very easy. Then why not stfu?

Apple fans enjoy their products. They dont go beserk in htc forum threads using all their time critizizing htc.

 

[railven]

Well i ranted about 2 post about this crappy 290 cooler. And i personally cant stand noise. I am allergic to it - i think..

But i dont go pissing all over the 980ti threads with 20 post because i think its to noisy.

This negativity is pathetic. The rambling is crazy.
Enjoy the tech or buy a different product. Clearly the 980ti is faster so if you dont need the silent solution ita very easy. Then why not stfu?

Apple fans enjoy their products. They dont go beserk in htc forum threads using all their time critizizing htc.

Have at it, boss! Tis a forum we're gonna post our opinions.

And I like how you ignored all the custom 980 Ti's, like the one I posted OC'ed only 3dba louder.

 

[krumme]

Have at it, boss! Tis a forum we're gonna post our opinions.

And I like how you ignored all the custom 980 Ti's, like the one I posted OC'ed only 3dba louder.

We have plenty opinions and i have no doubt we will share them as fast as the goalpost change.

Whatever - the 3db is noticiable as well. I change ps just to get 3db lower even at the sub 17db level. At say 40db i will go a long way to remove 3db.
But its not easy. Its half the energy.

Btw: Its nice beeing a boss

 

[Enigmoid]

What is this nonsense. We are at noise levels every person on this planet can hear and notice. Way over even a noisy environment. Its very obvious. And the difference at that level means a lot if you have the computer within 2 meters of you.

6db accounts to about a quarter of energy.
1db is just perceptible
3db is clearly noticable
6db is very noticiable
10db sounds as a doubling

Thats how it is.
And what do we hear of ranting about the noisy 980ti? Zip. Zero.

Oc it and it sounds worse than a standard 290x jetplane. Lol.

The 980Ti reference and titan X had complaints about the noise. But you have non reference as well which address those problems.

But your argument is ridiculous. Noise gets progressively worse on an exponential scale. Other things can be noisier as well such as the CPU cooler.

Most people can tolerate a certain amount of noise. At a certain, and by no means absolute or abrupt threshold, the noise starts to get irritating.

If ones office has a floor level of 30 db they can tolerate 40 db. Its not loud enough to be really or significantly irritating and you can get used to it. However, 50 db quite loud and immensely irritating. 60 db is ****** ridiculous.

The frequency and type of noise is also a factor. Ears are not as sensitive to certain frequencies.

Edit: This is very subjective as well.

 

[MrTeal]

It would be interesting to see how the noise between the Fury X and EVGA SC+ compare in a standard installation vs the TPU setup. Keep in mind they use an open case with all passive components, so there are no case fans. With the Fury X the pump+fan noise also includes all the components needed to remove the heat from the case, so that's really a final number for the card. With the cooler on the SC+, most users with a standard closed case will need additional case fans to help evacuate the 250W of heat that the open air cooler dumps into their case.

 

[RampantAndroid]

However, 50 db quite loud and immensely irritating. 60 db is ****** ridiculous.

Keep in mind, they measure things not outside the case, but inside. My case is lined with a dense foam, so the only thing I hear (quite literally) is the PSU fan which is a little noisy.

Cases that come with foam lining are amazing (mine is the FT02) and it should be more common. Also keep in mind, if they measure in dba, it's weighted.

 

[MrTeal]

Well i ranted about 2 post about this crappy 290 cooler. And i personally cant stand noise. I am allergic to it - i think..

But i dont go pissing all over the 980ti threads with 20 post because i think its to noisy.

This negativity is pathetic. The rambling is crazy.
Enjoy the tech or buy a different product. Clearly the 980ti is faster so if you dont need the silent solution its very easy. Then why not stfu?

Apple fans enjoy their products. They dont go beserk in htc forum threads using all their time critizizing htc.

My biggest problem with the reference 290 cooler was how often it got unbearable. I could maybe have let it slide if it was only in games, since I could have tossed on headphones. It was all the time though. The fan would spin up if a youtube video was playing, or if a flash game was in focus, or even sometimes with flash video ads. It was ridiculous how often the reference 290 would spool up to annoying levels.

 

[RussianSensation]

Why not, my current card has some issues with maxed out settings at 1080.

Because for 1080P, a $470 980 OC to 1.5Ghz is most likely a better buy than a Fury X or a 980Ti. Essentially 980 is a great card for 1080P and will last easily until 14nm/16nm GPUs, while allowing one to put aside $200 towards that next generation.

You might want to check benchmarks of a 980 -- with just a power and temperate limit increase in the driver, and 0 overclocking, it is already 70% faster than your card (~ 280X) at 1080P. Once you crank the overclock to 1.45-1.5Ghz on that 980, it'll be nearly as fast as a 980Ti at 1080P.

280X = 100%
980 OC = 170%
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-06/...t/6/#diagramm-rating-1920-1080-hohe-qualitaet

The incremental performance of a 980Ti at 1080P will be limited due to CPU bottlenecks without a SB @ 5Ghz or you'll be hitting > 100 fps where unless you have a 120-144Hz monitor, those extra frames are just being wasted. While on paper 980Ti OC will be 28-30% faster than a 980 OC at 1080P, pay attention to the actual FPS.