AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

[Hitman928]

So is performance actually better, or is it just that the reporting software changes what it reports? There should be a third party way to verify benchmarks. I guess for render time type benchmarks you could use a stopwatch to compare. Not sure about fps tests (maybe there is a fancy monitor that can tell you when you get a new frame?)

To truly verify someone would have to use the fcat test equipment which, as far as I know, is independent of the test computer's internal timings and relies on the actual refreshing of the monitor to determine frame times and variances.

 

[coercitiv]

EDIT: got the prices wrong: Zen+ is actually only $30 cost difference between X and non-X. I mean...why even bother with non-X? Seriously: it's just dumb, isn't it?

The non-X models will likely fluctuate in price until they reach their selling point.

 

[coercitiv]

Hardware Unboxed: R5 2600X vs. 8700K IPC comparison

 

[moinmoin]

This changed:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

HPET strikes again. What a mess.

So Ryzen 1xxx had issues with HPET so AMD fixes it for Ryzen 2xxx to the point it barely makes a difference anymore with it on or off. Now it turns out Intel chips lately turned into slow molasses with the most accurate HPET forced... *trows arms in the air*

In the results from overclockers.at one metric stood out: moving from Broadwell-E to Skylake-X meant that the number of theoretical peak HPET calls per second reduced from 1.4 million to 0.2 million – the latency to make a HPET call suddenly became 7x longer with Skylake-X.

 

[B-Riz]

So Ryzen 1xxx had issues with HPET so AMD fixes it for Ryzen 2xxx to the point it barely makes a difference anymore with it on or off. Now it turns out Intel chips lately turned into slow molasses with the most accurate HPET forced... *trows arms in the air*

Well, at least now we can say with HPET forced on, AMD is faster than Intel.

 

[bfun_x1]

Has anyone been able to OC these past 4.2 on water?

 

[B-Riz]

Has anyone been able to OC these past 4.2 on water?

Not sure, but just from my experience, the 2700X out of box is the best implementation of it (power consumption for GHz running), until Threadripper 2 comes out.

Getting all core 4.2 vs. out of box 3.9, does 300 MHz matter?

 

[cytg111]

Not sure, but just from my experience, the 2700X out of box is the best implementation of it (power consumption for GHz running), until Threadripper 2 comes out.

Getting all core 4.2 vs. out of box 3.9, does 300 MHz matter?

No.. But thats not the point .

 

[DooKey]

It's looking like it's worth a buy if you want a Ryzen and don't have a Ryzen, but if you have a decent Ryzen CPU this is a waste of money. I don't have a decent Ryzen 1700X because I can only do 3.8 all core at 1.4v when running DC apps, but will do 4.0 same voltage gaming. If I can get a 2700X that will do 4.3 all core gaming and DCing then I'm onboard.

I got my 2700X yesterday and I'm going to try some overclocking this weekend. Will report back with my findings.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

I got my 2700X yesterday and I'm going to try some overclocking this weekend. Will report back with my findings.

I'm running a weaker B350 ITX board right now. Awaiting my Asus X470 ITX sometime early May... then I'll be joining the OC and tweaking club with you!

For the most part the Gigabyte AB350N Gaming Wifi is an OK board, but I worry about the VRM even with the Wraith Prism blasting air down on the heatsinks.

 

[moonbogg]

Not sure, but just from my experience, the 2700X out of box is the best implementation of it (power consumption for GHz running), until Threadripper 2 comes out.

Getting all core 4.2 vs. out of box 3.9, does 300 MHz matter?

Of course it matters. Its the enthusiast mindset. Once a CPU is between 1 and 2 years old, it is an outdated pile of garbage, and if today's CPU's clock to 5ghz, that means yesterdays awesome chips are slow crap and don't deserve to even be anywhere near a PC case. So 300mhz is actually a pretty titanic deal and is clearly the difference between having a gaming rig and simply NOT having one.
So it goes exactly like this:

Zen 1 = brick
Zen2@3.9ghz = brick
Zen2@4.0ghz = brick
Zen2@4.1ghz = brick
Zen2@4.2ghz = Max OC L33T gaming RIG!

 

[Kenmitch]

Of course it matters. Its the enthusiast mindset. Once a CPU is between 1 and 2 years old, it is an outdated pile of garbage, and if today's CPU's clock to 5ghz, that means yesterdays awesome chips are slow crap and don't deserve to even be anywhere near a PC case. So 300mhz is actually a pretty titanic deal and is clearly the difference between having a gaming rig and simply NOT having one.
So it goes exactly like this:

Zen 1 = brick
Zen2@3.9ghz = brick
Zen2@4.0ghz = brick
Zen2@4.1ghz = brick
Zen2@4.2ghz = Max OC L33T gaming RIG!

Guess you meant Zen and Zen +. Zen 2 will probably be around 4.5-4.6GHz. Too early to tell but parity with Intels clocks would really bring on the pain.

 

[moonbogg]

Guess you meant Zen and Zen +. Zen 2 will probably be around 4.5-4.6GHz. Too early to tell but parity with Intels clocks would really bring on the pain.

Yeah that's what I meant. IMO if Zen gets in the 4.6 range with any more improvements to the mesh latency and IPC, then clock parity will really start to matter less. I think anyone would be thrilled to have an 8 core chip like that in their rig, even hardcore gaming enthusiasts. At some point when performance is so good from both camps, then price really takes center stage and I think we know who has the guts to deliver the goods in that area. Ryzen is currently good enough for high end gaming and great for everything else. Once its great for everything, including high refresh gaming, then it actually won't matter that a competitors product can deliver 200fps vs your 180fps.
At that point most people really won't care. Right now, people claim that its not a big deal or that no one should care, but the truth is people do care. Ryzen is so close. Just a little more and I'd be sold.
For instance, I'm pretty sure that even the new Ryzen chips are slower at gaming than my 6800K@4.2. Why would I buy something like that? I wouldn't, but I almost would. Know what I mean?

 

[rbk123]

You're way overthinking it Bogg. Paralysis by analysis.

 

[Dygaza]

Io-tech.fi did some testings with different memory settings. Included are speeds from 2933MHz upto 3600Mhz, with additional The Stilt's 3466MHz settings that are inlcuded in Crosshair VII Hero's bios. The article is in finnish, but it's waste to translate anything as pictures tell everything neccessary.

https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/ddr4-muistinopeus-ryzen-2n-suorituskyky/

Nice gains overall in games, and like we've seen before running 3466MHz with faster timings is way waster than default 3600MHz is.

What strikes me the most, is how big jump there is even over 3600MHz in synthetic AIDA's memory copy test.

 

[DooKey]

I got my 2700X yesterday and I'm going to try some overclocking this weekend. Will report back with my findings.

I've settled on 4.1ghz all core with 1.35v because 4.2ghz takes 1.4v and I don't want to run that high. I'm cooling with a Corsair H110i with be quiet fans to keep noise down.

Motherboard is ASUS Prime x370-Pro with latest bios and Flare X 3200 RAM.

Load tested overnight running WCG on all cores. No problems.

 

[hewonen]

I've settled on 4.1ghz all core with 1.35v because 4.2ghz takes 1.4v and I don't want to run that high. I'm cooling with a Corsair H110i with be quiet fans to keep noise down.

Motherboard is ASUS Prime x370-Pro with latest bios and Flare X 3200 RAM.

Load tested overnight running WCG on all cores. No problems.

Did your memory kit run at its specced 3200mhz cl14 no problem?

Have a similar setup ordered, just with the Prime x470-Pro instead.

 

[DooKey]

Did your memory kit run at its specced 3200mhz cl14 no problem?

Have a similar setup ordered, just with the Prime x470-Pro instead.

Yep, runs 3200 cl14 with no problems at all.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I've settled on 4.1ghz all core with 1.35v because 4.2ghz takes 1.4v and I don't want to run that high. I'm cooling with a Corsair H110i with be quiet fans to keep noise down.

What temps are you observing?

 

[DooKey]

What temps are you observing?

I'm running the system under a desk so there is some stale air going on, but at full load on my gpu (puts hot air in case) and cpu I'm around 75C. If I had faster fans on the H110i it would be lower, however, I like quiet so I'm willing to put up with higher temps.

 

[Abwx]

New SKUs in sight if it wast already posted :

Ryzen 3 2100 YD210BC6M2OFB
Ryzen 3 2300X YD230XBBM4KAF
Ryzen 5 2500X YD250XBBM4KAF
Threadripper 2900X YD290XA8U8QAF
Threadripper 2920X YD292XA8UC9AF
Threadripper 2950X YD295XA8UGAAF
Ryzen 3 2000U YM200UC4T2OFB
Ryzen 5 2600? YM2600C3T4MFB
Ryzen 7 2800? YM2800C3T4MFB

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-04/amd-product-master-ryzen-desktop-mobile-threadripper/

 

[Jan Olšan]

The 2100 is likely Ryzen 3 Pro 2100. Look at the 210B in the code, that is how Pro SKUs are written. Which means it won't be available in retail, unless separate non-pro SKU appears. And it is also likely a 35W Raven Ridge, given how the code looks.

See: https://products.amd.com/en-us/search?k=Ryzen+AND+Desktop+AND+NOT+Threadripper

AMD Ryzen™ 3 PRO 1200 YD120BBBM4KAE
AMD Ryzen™ 5 2400GE YD2400C6M4MFB

R7 2800? and R5 2600? are almost certainly 35W or 45W Raven Ridges for notebook (was supposed to be called H, but they might have changed it), of course, while the 2000U is 15W lowend dualcore that will go under 2200U.

 

[Shamrock]

@Markfw is going to have to save his pennies for those big 3 Threadrippers I see.

 

[Markfw]

@Markfw is going to have to save his pennies for those big 3 Threadrippers I see.

No, I already have 4... Just one more, the 2950x

 

[guskline]

Has anyone been able to OC these past 4.2 on water?

I'm assuming you mean on all 8 cores?

I have my 2700x under an EK EVO Supremacy block and I played around with some overclocking. At 4.2 on all 8 cores I needed 1.41v to run Intel burn test stable. I really have not played around with overclocking as much since at stock a few of the 2700x cores jump to 4334.

I think there is very limited headroom for overclocking all 8 cores in the 2700x but at stock it runs all 8 cores at nearly 4Ghz which is quite a jump from my 1800x AND the temps are a lot lower.

I ran my 1800x OC'd to 4Ghz on all 8 cores but the stock 2700x is slightly more responsive and scores a bit better in benchmarks.

Temps for the 2700x really jump at 4.2 (all 8 cores) and above. Just not worth it vs stock.

I'm using an Asus CH6H mb with the latest release BIOS 6004. Most likely a premium x470 mb will be able to squeeze a bit more performance from the chip but I doubt much more.

BTW, I jumped to the 2700x because I had @$325 in gift cards. I'll repurpose the 1800x.