Would you really want to do that, without knowing that AMD is still going to be in business and providing driver updates 2 years from now?
When people on this forum make comments like that it really shows just how ignorant you are to how a business operates.Would you really want to do that, without knowing that AMD is still going to be in business and providing driver updates 2 years from now?
How much longer can AMD stay in business at their current burn rate? A year? 18 months?
They said the exact same thing about GloFo and the WSA.
When people on this forum make comments like that it really shows just how ignorant you are to how a business operates.
You don't think that's something to consider at this point? I wouldn't want to spend $600 on a high end Radeon card at this point knowing that it might become the next 3dfx Voodoo 5.
On the GPU side it's not much better, even if they improve perf/watt by 2x with their 16nm GPUs, that doesn't really give them much vs current Maxwell let alone Pascal on HBM 2. They also don't have the money to compete against NVIDIA so if NV drops prices, that will put pressure on AMD and they'd have to slash prices to compete and looking at their abysmal margins, that's a sure way into the grave for them.
Seems to me AMD is just padding their cash reserve so their credit rating doesn't get worse than it already is. Being a completely fabless company puts them in a really terrible position against a competitor like Intel that controls it's entire supply chain. If Zen is dependent on TSMC for quantity, AMD may not even have the money to negotiate for low enough prices to produce the kind of volume OEMs demand. If I were a corporation, I wouldn't even want to do business with a fabless CPU company because I know they have zero control over their production line.
I disagree. They need a better CPU, if AMD is targeting servers, then Zen needs to beat an equivalently priced Xeon.
Yes, it needs to beat an equivalently priced with equivalent TCO Xeon. It doesn't have to beat the absolute best chips Intel has at the high end if they cost ten times as much.
very simple. target the growing gaming market and ditch the iGPU crap thing that eats 50% of your silicon die space. Then you have enough transistor budget to beat intel (moar cores, bigger cache) or to provide better value for money (as your cost will be lower). Gamers are buying GPU anyway, so the loss of iGPU is not a dealbreaker.In reality, the only way Zen 'saves' AMD is for it to have the same effect as the K8 did (good sales, though bound by manufacturing output, and high ASP == high margins). It's just nearly impossible to see how AMD beats Intel in a similar fashion today - given the maturity of x86 processors and the tremendous cost of development.
FTFY. You can't price a server the same way you price a gaming desktop.
So now we have gone from "fusion is the future" to "getting rid of that igpu crap". For your information, Intel does have servers without the "igpu crap" either.
As far as the consumer market, no igpu is a *huge* disadvantage for all except a very small and ever decreasing market that uses a discrete card and of course pretty much rules out mobile entirely. Intel also has the HEDT platform for consumers without the "igpu crap" as well, although it irritates me no end that they do not make a mainstream cpu with more than 4 cores.
For the size of their cpu/apu revenue, even 10% of x86 server is a huge thing for them, ~400M a quarter.
I wonder if intel would be interested in acquiring the Radeon gpu business from amd? That would give them discreet graphics and they have the global channels to move the product.
I wonder if intel would be interested in acquiring the Radeon gpu business from amd? That would give them discreet graphics and they have the global channels to move the product.
Apple. Ideal to improve even more their movement from x86 to ARMI dont think Intel would want it. The question is if there is even anyone that would want it.
Seems to me AMD is just padding their cash reserve so their credit rating doesn't get worse than it already is. Being a completely fabless company puts them in a really terrible position against a competitor like Intel that controls it's entire supply chain. If Zen is dependent on TSMC for quantity, AMD may not even have the money to negotiate for low enough prices to produce the kind of volume OEMs demand. If I were a corporation, I wouldn't even want to do business with a fabless CPU company because I know they have zero control over their production line.