AMD Radeon 7990 reviews thread

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3DVagabond

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I would have thought not having the production costs of 2x PCBs and duplication of all the compute hardware would have made a dual GPU card much cheaper to produce than 2 separate cards...and therefore "doable" at around $750?

Actually just about everything would have to be duplicated. The PCB wouldn't, but it requires it's own specific design, which is expensive. The heatsink is another item that adds to the costs. Unique design smaller numbers.

Other things save money though. There's the cost of bringing a product to the consumer and supporting it. This would be appreciably cheaper with one item rather than two individual ones. Best I can tell this card is an S10000. So, the design costs were paid for by it's customers.

In the end though, you need to make more margin on a specialty item like this or it's not worth doing. I agree though that it's just too expensive, but this whole generation has been that way and I doubt it's going to go back to the way the previous 3 generations were. The market is getting smaller and that's gonna make it more expensive.
 

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Because you need to wrap up all this, and come up with a single performance number

Still waiting for Anandtech's upcoming article, due in a few days or less.

Well, I'd consider it to be roughly the same as Devil 13 in Turbo 1000MHz mode (which few were reporting problems with rather than the default 925 MHz mode). As to the runt frames, I'll account for them once more sites start accounting for them (like Anandtech, Xbitlabs, etc.. etc.. rather than just a vast array of simple FPS scores). By then, AMD would probably have fixed most of the issues... hopefully! AMD better do it!!

Perhaps I should just give Crossfire more of a penalty than SLI for now -- however, it's still not exactly clear just how much would be the ideal "overall" penalty though... Right now, I have 2x 5870s and 2x GTX 460 1GB's, but I would like to upgrade the cards ASAP before really testing with the newer games that would require lots more VRAM in the first place.. even 2x 460's in SLI cannot do Tomb Raider with TressFX smoothly enough (whereas on my friend's rig with a single 7950 it runs just fine) - gotta sell some more Bitcoins so I could afford high-end 28nm cards! :hmm:
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Perhaps I should just give Crossfire more of a penalty than SLI for now -- however, it's still not exactly clear just how much would be the ideal "overall" penalty though...

Isn't it pretty obvious from the perceived frame rates in tests prior to and compared with the prototype driver that it should be half or less than the actual?
 
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Its a bad idea to have frame pacing off by default in CCC.. the tiny input lag would be unperceivable to almost all gamers. Anyone using NV notice the extra input lag and complaint about their frame pacing on by default?? Nope. AMD should take a clue and have it on by default. Those few special enough to notice the input lag can disable it.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Its a bad idea to have frame pacing off by default in CCC.. the tiny input lag would be unperceivable to almost all gamers. Anyone using NV notice the extra input lag and complaint about their frame pacing on by default?? Nope. AMD should take a clue and have it on by default. Those few special enough to notice the input lag can disable it.

Where does this it's going to be off by default stuff come from?
 

bystander36

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This is a difficult review to follow. For the most part, it showed the 690 doing better than the 7990, but having to click on the buttons to compare stuff was annoying and difficult to get a good picture of stuff. What was really odd was when the 7990 looked better in the graphics, the written article still found the 690 delivering a smoother experience. Perhaps the AMD stutter issue is more complicated than frame pacing.
 

Jaydip

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This is a difficult review to follow. For the most part, it showed the 690 doing better than the 7990, but having to click on the buttons to compare stuff was annoying and difficult to get a good picture of stuff. What was really odd was when the 7990 looked better in the graphics, the written article still found the 690 delivering a smoother experience. Perhaps the AMD stutter issue is more complicated than frame pacing.

I agree with you but TR is doing this for a long time now otherwise there will be too many charts.Well if FCAT can't describe the stutter I'm not sure we have a better option.Also one thing I'm pretty curious about who is handling the support and bug fixes for FCAT?I can't imagine NV spend much resources on this.
 

bystander36

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FCAT just records frames in real time. I'm not sure there are bugs to fix. They then go through the data afterwards with scripts to analyze.

Anyways, part of what makes things smooth is syncing the displayed images with the time line of the action. There are other factors besides frame pacing that make things smooth.
 

Will Robinson

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AMD has built a mighty fine piece of hardware in the Radeon HD 7990. Consistently high FPS averages attest to its potential as the single most powerful graphics card in the world. At the same time, the 7990 is exceptionally quiet under load. Throw in the fact that it ships with a ridiculous bundle packed with some of the most notable games of the past year, and it's easy to see how the 7990 could grab the crown in the $1K graphics card market.
Aww,all those wasted adjectives from the AMD haters and TR serves them up a 3 course meal of humble pie lol.
Semper fi !:thumbsup:
 

f1sherman

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AMD has built a mighty fine piece of hardware in the Radeon HD 7990. Consistently high FPS averages attest to its potential as the single most powerful graphics card in the world. At the same time, the 7990 is exceptionally quiet under load. Throw in the fact that it ships with a ridiculous bundle packed with some of the most notable games of the past year, and it's easy to see how the 7990 could grab the crown in the $1K graphics card market.


Aww,all those wasted adjectives from the AMD haters and TR serves them up a 3 course meal of humble pie lol.
Semper fi !:thumbsup:

Hey Will, is your browser unable to render the part that follows your quote? Here, have some humble pie LOL:

However, we've deployed some advanced tools and metrics to answer some very practical questions about the benefits of the 7990's second GPU, and the answers haven't turned out like one would hope.
The card just doesn't hold up well under the weight of really tough scenarios where smooth gameplay is threatened.

The 7990 does perform a little bit better than its single-GPU counterpart, the Radeon HD 7970, in our Crysis 3 test, but not by a broad margin.
The 7990 doesn't offer an appreciable benefit over the 7970 in our Tomb Raider and Sleeping Dogs test scenarios.
In each of these cases, the 7990's FPS averages scale to nearly twice the 7970's, but the uneven frame delivery caused by multi-GPU microstuttering blunts the impact of those additional frames.

Worse still, the 7990 runs into some apparent CrossFire compatibility snafus in Far Cry 3 and BioShock Infinite, both AAA titles that AMD has co-marketed and bundled with the card itself.
Yikes. In those two games, you're literally better off playing with a Radeon HD 7970.
 

sontin

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This is a difficult review to follow. For the most part, it showed the 690 doing better than the 7990, but having to click on the buttons to compare stuff was annoying and difficult to get a good picture of stuff. What was really odd was when the 7990 looked better in the graphics, the written article still found the 690 delivering a smoother experience. Perhaps the AMD stutter issue is more complicated than frame pacing.

As far as i see it they don't remove the "runt" frames. So there should be no real difference between FCAT and Fraps.
 

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Aww,all those wasted adjectives from the AMD haters and TR serves them up a 3 course meal of humble pie lol.
Semper fi !:thumbsup:

I assume you didn't read the entire review or you wouldn't have just made a fool of yourself. TR were far from glowing about the 7990 in their review.
 
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I assume you didn't read the entire review or you wouldn't have just made a fool of yourself. TR were far from glowing about the 7990 in their review.

It's interesting to note this: "With vsync disabled, those short or "runt" frames may only occupy a handful of horizontal lines across the screen, adding virtually no additional visual information to the picture." - http://techreport.com/review/24703/amd-radeon-hd-7990-graphics-card-reviewed/2

TR never did do a micro-stutter review with vsync on did they.. strange they would make the above statement.
 

ICDP

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It's interesting to note this: "With vsync disabled, those short or "runt" frames may only occupy a handful of horizontal lines across the screen, adding virtually no additional visual information to the picture." - http://techreport.com/review/24703/amd-radeon-hd-7990-graphics-card-reviewed/2

TR never did do a micro-stutter review with vsync on did they.. strange they would make the above statement.

No they didn't but simply adding vsync does not fix the issue unless the game being tested always delivers higher than 60 FPS. The only fix if the game is delivering below the monitors refresh is to use triple buffering, or an FPS cap equal or below the refresh rate with vsync disabled.

Once FPS goes above monitor refresh rate in CF you get horrible stutter, even with FPS caps. So usually CF needs to be neutered at or below refresh rate in order to force it to deliver even frame times. There are a few exceptions to this but in general his has been my experience.
 
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Jacky60

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I'd like to vote for AMD but it's £900 in UK or 3 x7950 for £720, A year ago maybe at this price but today it's madness
 
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No they didn't but simply adding vsync does not fix the issue unless the game being tested always delivers higher than 60 FPS.

To prevent the dip to 30 fps (1/2 60hz), just use dynamic vsync. Hence, if the cards are able to sustain >60 fps to cause stutter, it wont, as vsync is on. If during scenes which cause it to drop <60 fps to deliver a viewable 30 fps, vsync is turned off.

Ive tested a 59 fps frame limiter as well with radeon pro, it works too.
 

Leadbox

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The 7970 is the clear winner in that TechReport review, it's within 2 FPS of the titan in 2 of those games at those settings.
Were it loses it's like 31 fps vs 26 or 28 fps vs 21 and 23 fps vs 17 fps
 

crashtech

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The question on my mind is, will CF ever work properly? The beta drivers show positive steps, but there are still some pretty ugly anomalies that seem to affect gameplay.
 
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