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I'd probably get a FX6300 and not an A series. A 6300 is the ~same price as an A series and will OC to a point where Metro is getting over 50 FPS at low resolution. That's adequate for what is one of the more advanced games on PC.

That's already $100 cheaper than an i5.

I'm doing pretty well on an overclocked i3-530. No real complaints, but I'm not playing the bleeding edge games. I play games I get for $10 on steam or other sales. Currently playing The Witcher 2 and I may not be playing max settings, but pretty good looking settings and getting good performance.

I definitely don't advocate a top end CPU for gaming... it's a waste unless you're throwing good money after bad just to have an awesome computer.

I also don't think it's right to bring the cost of the complete system into the equation. You can "justify" any number of marginal upgrades by looking at the percent of the whole system. $50-100 more on a video card is also a small percentage of the total, A marginal upgrade of SSD is another $20-40 and easy to justify that way, $50 more on a motherboard is easy to justify that way... suddenly you're dropping $200-400 more on small upgrades of each component.

No, I haven't bought a complete system in over 15 years, real people do upgrade piecewise when they can, and you should make decision based on a realistic combination of pieces people would replace.

I also don't think it unresonable to have a pricey monitor with a midrange tower. Monitors last 5 years at a minimum, maybe even up to a decade or two. They aren't obsoleted in the way that performance hardware is. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect someone to drop $500 on a 1440 panel and expect to use it for 5-10 years through 3-5 sub $200 CPUs over it's lifetime.

I disagree about the cost of the cpu vs the entire system. Considering the cost of the cpu alone is only valid if you have a drop in motherboard for a cpu upgrade.
 

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Thinking about re-doing my htpc using one of these cheap cpu.

Right now running w7 with media center) built about 4 years ago thats running Pentium E5200 on a Asus P5N7A-VM motherboard. Would this be worth wild? I would have to replace just about everything and would the price justify the outcome from what I have now.

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4670k + ASRock Pro4 Z87 = $305 in my cart. (MC)

6350 FX + ASRock Extreme3 970 = $187 in my cart. (MC)

Yeah. I'll take $120 more in GPU, please. Or 16GB of ram. Or nearly a 240+ GB SSD instead. And that is ignoring cheaper, viable options on the AMD board. I don't know that I would go with the cheaper options available through MC for 1150 right now.

That's if we are on a strict budget, of course

Obviously Haswell is new and consequently expensive.

Try 3570k plus MSI Z77 mb combo for 235.00. A more fair comparison. Also at Micro Center. Several other combos are also cheaper than the Haswell one you listed.
 

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Did you read the article? That reviewer tested those CPUs, he didn't make stuff up as he went.

Yes, but its a really sh***y review. Lets see metro 2033 at 1440p 33 fps average (nice do you think many gamers are really going to play a shooter at 33 fps average? No they are going to lower settings and aim for at least 45+. Plus metro 2033 is very fps variable). So the metro 2033 benchmark (which is very gpu limited too which makes 0 sense for a review aimed at gaming cpus) according to the other crossfire settings is ~50 fps average which probably isn't sufficient for someone who has the money to game at 1440p with a 7970 (seriously spending $100 more on their $1500 setup will gain them significantly better fps).

Dirt 3 is pretty much playable at 60 fps on anything (again poor choice since it doesn't show significant cpu scaling).

Civ 5 is easily playable but with more units....???

Sleeping dogs is again easily playable and again the one 7970 setting isn't really playable. Very gpu limited game.

Testing with games such as BF3 (MP), SC2, WOW, Gw2, Crysis 3, etc would paint a whole different picture. In a games such as crysis 3 the a8 will easily only get about half the fps of an i5 (and probably be unplayable on ultra 1080p settings).

Poor review overall, only a few games tested (4 is not nearly enough to make a conclusion) and the games tend to be very gpu limited which is pointless for a gaming cpu review. Sure the review may have showed certain numbers and proven that an a8 gets playable fps but you can prove anything if you pick only a certain few tests.

And minimum fps.... the review is of subpar quality for this site.

Why silly? If there's evidence just accept it. I was surprised too but would never label it stupid.

The evidence is poor.

Why is it stupid? If you have a budget that doesn't allow more CPU this is precisely the trade-off one should make. The whole article demonstrates that you don't NEED a killer CPU to get good performance in most games... but video cards are often worth every penny in terms of usable performance.

An A-series / 7970 absolutely is the right decision compared to an i5 / 7850 or 7870. It absolutely will give you better overall gaming performance.

Is an i5 / 7970 better? Of course it is, but it also costs more and gives very small benefit in MOST (but not all) games. Is an i3/7970 better? Most of the benchmarks show that the quad A-series performs better than an i3... so the correct recommendation absolutely is the A-series.

This is what I don't get about people hanging out in the CPU forum. They seem incapable of really understanding that real people make trade-offs. Not everyone is going to drop all the cash necessary to be on the bleeding edge. If you're willing to take just a small step back from ultimate performance, you can actually do fairly well on a more moderate budget.

A comparison between A8 and 7970 and i5 and 7850/7870 is really not that great. The price difference between a8 and i5 is not nearly the price difference between 7850/7870 and 7970. As a percent cost for the entire system the i5 is better as well (if it costs $100 more but raises the fps on a $1000 build by 30% then you are getting more bang for your buck).

Do you need an unlocked i5? No. Do you need a higher quality mobo? No. Get a lower model i5 and a cheaper mobo and the price difference drops significantly (given how poorly haswell overclocks you arn't really missing anything. Ivy can do 4 bins above max turbo and that gets you close enough to k series). That alone will perform much better than an a8.

This review doesn't show minimum fps as well or any stuttering/ frame variance as well.

And in my opinion given the choice between a slightly stronger cpu and weaker gpu and a slightly stronger gpu and weaker cpu I'll take the cpu every time. I can always lower my settings to play the game but if I can't get sufficient fps then my experience is ruined.
 
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