AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Sadly one of the issues of buying into the long term upgrade path. Gotta buy the right mobo, and hope it works down the road. Yet, even some high end boards might not work out well. Shades of my experiences with AM3 platform, phenom to fx chips.

- Yep, thankfully turning off XMP seems to have stopped the random crashing in gaming usage. The system is still not P95 stable, it will overheat and thermal shutdown with a torture test after roughly 10 minutes which definitely does not make me happy, but if It can play the wife's videogames a bit faster at 1080P then all is well that ends well.

Manual memory tuning should still work. Start with 3000 MT/s with relaxed timings of CL22 and then tighten the timings bit by bit.

- Thinking this is my next step, but I am seeing very very large performance gains off my 2200G regardless even though I'm lagging 5600x average performance by 5-10%. Given this PC is for family couch gaming at relatively low res and often with FSR, I may just take the W and leave well enough alone of having the thing work without XMP and stock ram speed and timing.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's a bummer. My ASRock B450 Fatal1ty Gaming ITX/AC runs a 5700G no problem in an NR200 with 2 case fans.

Cheapest fix is to mod a fan with zip ties or something, to blow right on them. I'd love to read the explanation as to why the Zen 3 IMC is overheating the VRMS too. It isn't like you threw a higher wattage CPU in there like a 5900X.

The ASRock HDV series, regardless of AMD or Intel, is the bottom of the barrel of the line up every gen. I put this issue squarely on the board, not the platform. Having run almost every gen APU and every iteration of AM4 CPU on an ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X. I also ran a 3600 with 3200MT/s in a $50 MSI A320 and couldn't tell the difference in performance between it and a AORUS ELITE B450 at the time.

 

[Shmee]

Yeah some of the cheaper boards may have some issues, but even then, I have a Gigabyte mATX B350 Gaming 3 board, and it works fine with a 5900X. I got the board in like 2017 for about $100, which was high for it at the time as Ryzen had just launched.

 

[A///]

Yeah some of the cheaper boards may have some issues, but even then, I have a Gigabyte mATX B350 Gaming 3 board, and it works fine with a 5900X. I got the board in like 2017 for about $100, which was high for it at the time as Ryzen had just launched.

They any good those gigabyte boards now a days? haven't had one in about 20 years but remember the few i had being crocs of crap. clarifying but im sure the high end boards are great. i have doubts about the standard mid range and low end entry level boards being decent

 

[GodisanAtheist]

They any good those gigabyte boards now a days? haven't had one in about 20 years but remember the few i had being crocs of crap. clarifying but im sure the high end boards are great. i have doubts about the standard mid range and low end entry level boards being decent

-Main rig is running a Gigabyte Aorus Master B550. It's used and a little abused but has been rock solid for the last 8 months.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

That's a bummer. My ASRock B450 Fatal1ty Gaming ITX/AC runs a 5700G no problem in an NR200 with 2 case fans.

Cheapest fix is to mod a fan with zip ties or something, to blow right on them. I'd love to read the explanation as to why the Zen 3 IMC is overheating the VRMS too. It isn't like you threw a higher wattage CPU in there like a 5900X.

The ASRock HDV series, regardless of AMD or Intel, is the bottom of the barrel of the line up every gen. I put this issue squarely on the board, not the platform. Having run almost every gen APU and every iteration of AM4 CPU on an ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X. I also ran a 3600 with 3200MT/s in a $50 MSI A320 and couldn't tell the difference in performance between it and a AORUS ELITE B450 at the time.

-Just picked up a pack of 60 small VRM heat sinks + Thermal Adhesive for $10 off Amazon. Apparently reasonably popular among the GPU water-cooling crowd to ensure their GPU VRMs don't fry without the stock cooler on them.

Will paste those puppies on to the MOBO VRMs and see if I can reign in temps and bring about solid stability (at any RAM speed).

What I do find interesting is in this new BIOS if I enabled XMP (which bumps RAM voltage up to 1.35v) on my 2200g there were no issues but with the 5600x the voltage is highlighted red for some reason, like the board is telling me "this is gonna be a problem yo".

What's really rustling my jimmies at this point is the system isn't "passing" p95. Runs it for a while then hard resets. I know virtually no gaming workload is ever going to stress a PC like a P95 torture test but just the knowledge that the thing isn't absolutely rock solid is kinda pissing me off.

That said wife has played an hour long sesh of Hogwarts (running a solid 60FPS high now with FSR as opposed to dropping into the 30's like it did with the 2200g) as well as Portal 2 for an hour at like 300FPS without any instability or crashing. 3dMark is stable as well.

I'll keep monkeying with it for a while and seeing if I can achieve that elusive p95 stability, but the goal here was to make a spare PC out of parts I had lying around with one relatively cheap but substantial performance enhancing upgrade, but now I'm finding myself back on ebay shopping B550m boards and crap. Wife says I'm being a moody bunghole too, so I need to just put this out of my mind after a few cheap fix-it attempts.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Look what I found from our resident "If it's free it's too much" expert @VirtualLarry

Question - ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 HWMonitor temp questions. VRMs overheating? (Also, FYI on OCing Athlon 3000G in this board)

TMPIN6 and TMPIN8 around 120C and 111C. Max of 121C and 113C. Are these the VRM temps, and should I be concerned? APU is Athlon 3000G, 2x8GB Team Vulcan (Z?) DDR4-3200 @ XMP, APU is OCed to 3.900Ghz @ 1.3000V. Running CPU-Z stress-test. Hmm, starting and stopping CPU-Z Stress-test, for a...

forums.anandtech.com

There are literal google pages dedicated to what a garbage tier VRM set-up this board has, literally the worst rated VRMs of the B450 board gen barely rated to handle 75A with direct cooling.

Things are starting to make sense.

 

[Shmee]

They any good those gigabyte boards now a days? haven't had one in about 20 years but remember the few i had being crocs of crap. clarifying but im sure the high end boards are great. i have doubts about the standard mid range and low end entry level boards being decent

It works fine for what it does, no PCIe 4, but it does run the 5700XT fine. The UEFI setup isn't as polished as say, my MSI X570 board, but it works, and I can even use the curve optimizer to undervolt the 5900X. I even have 2 kits of 2x8GB DDR4 3200 from Patriot, some kind of Hynix chips I believe, and they run fine at XMP.

 

[Noid]

I'll keep monkeying with it for a while and seeing if I can achieve that elusive p95 stability, but the goal here was to make a spare PC out of parts I had lying around with one relatively cheap but substantial performance enhancing upgrade, but now I'm finding myself back on ebay shopping B550m boards and crap. Wife says I'm being a moody bunghole too, so I need to just put this out of my mind after a few cheap fix-it attempts.

Do you have an LLC setting in BIOS ? Try 3.
and you can try capping EDC also ... I use 180

 

[Noid]

AMD x570 D/L​

AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver Release Notes 5.05.16.529​

Article Number
RN-RYZEN-CHIPSET-5-05-16-529

Release Highlights​

• Bug fixes on few drivers

Known Issues​

• Sometimes custom install fails to upgrade to latest drivers.
• Manual system restart required on Non-English OS after the installation is complete.
• Uninstall summary log may incorrectly show uninstall status as fail on non-English OS.

Chipset Support​

	Windows 10​	Windows 11​
AMD WRX80	Yes	Yes
AMD TRX40	Yes	Yes
AMD X670E / X670	Yes	Yes
AMD B650E / B650	Yes	Yes
AMD X570	Yes	Yes
AMD B550	Yes	Yes
AMD A520	Yes	Yes
AMD X399	Yes	Yes
AMD X470	Yes	Yes
AMD B450	Yes	Yes
AMD X370	Yes	Yes
AMD B350	Yes	Yes
AMD A320	Yes	Yes

Processor Support​

	Windows 10​	Windows 11​
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO Processors	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Desktop Processors	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Desktop Processors	Yes	Yes
2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors	Yes	Yes
1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors	Yes	No
2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors	Yes	Yes
1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors	Yes	No
AMD Ryzen™ 3000G/4000G/5000G Series Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ 2000G Series Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	No
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile 3000U/C, 4000U/H, 5000U/H/HS, 6000U/H/HS/HX Series Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile 2000U Series Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	No
7th Gen AMD A-Series Processors	Yes	No

Package Contents​

The AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver installation package contains various independent drivers designed to support the following Microsoft® Windows® platforms. Operating System support may vary depending on your specific AMD product.

Driver Name​	Windows 10​	Windows 11​	Change Details​
AMD Ryzen Power Plan / AMD Processor Power Management Support	8.0.0.13	8.0.0.13	No change
AMD PCI Device Driver	1.0.0.90	1.0.0.90	No change
AMD I2C Driver	1.2.0.121	1.2.0.121	Bug fixes
AMD UART Driver	1.2.0.114	1.2.0.114	No change
AMD GPIO2 Driver	2.2.0.130	2.2.0.130	No change
PT GPIO Driver	3.0.0.0	3.0.0.0	No change
AMD PSP Driver	5.24.0.0	5.24.0.0	Bug fixes
AMD IOV Driver	1.2.0.52	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SMBUS Driver	5.12.0.38	5.12.0.38	No change
AMD AS4 ACPI Driver	1.2.0.46	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SFH I2C Driver	1.0.0.86	1.0.0.86	No change
AMD USB Filter Driver	2.1.11.304	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SFH Driver	1.0.0.336	1.0.0.336	Bug fixes
AMD CIR Driver	3.2.4.135	Not Applicable	No change
AMD MicroPEP Driver	1.0.40.1	1.0.40.1	No change
AMD Wireless Button Driver	1.0.0.2	1.0.0.2	No change
AMD PMF-6000 Series Driver	22.0.3.0	22.0.3.0	No change
AMD PPM Provisioning File Driver	8.0.0.20	8.0.0.20	Bug fixes
AMD USB4 CM Driver	1.0.0.31	Not Applicable	Bug fixes
AMD AMS Mailbox Driver	2.0.0.572	2.0.0.572	No change
AMD S0i3 Filter Driver	1.0.0.16	1.0.0.16	No change
AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver	1.0.0.7	1.0.0.7	No change

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Do you have an LLC setting in BIOS ? Try 3.
and you can try capping EDC also ... I use 180

- I am open to all suggestions, let me give this one a shot.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Update:

So the MOSFETs are arranged in a strange offset pattern with half of them crammed between the larger Chokes so I can't even get the heatsinks on them . No wonder they're overheating, its such a strange staggered pattern where half the MOSFETs are going to be cooking between the chokes with basically little to no airflow going over them.

At least that was only $10 bucks.

I reversed my PSU fan so that it sucks hot air away from the CPU/VRM situation and expels it out the case, but it does end up competing with the CPU fan a bit but still ended up being a net positive for temps.

Couldn't locate any of @Noid 's features in the BIOS and I really don't want to go messing with CPU VIDs and offsets and whatnots to tune things in manually at the moment (but might give it a shot later with a bit more reading, just try undervolting the whole system).

P95 Blended test faired better than the first time, managed to get through test 3 or 4 or I think (i walked out of the room) before going into hard shutdown so progress there. System is likely perfectly stable for any sort of gaming workload at this point.

Still making me a bit grumpy but not nearly as grumpy as before. At least I don't have to return the 5600X.

 

[Ajay]

So the MOSFETs are arranged in a strange offset pattern with half of them crammed between the larger Chokes so I can't even get the heatsinks on them . No wonder they're overheating, its such a strange staggered pattern where half the MOSFETs are going to be cooking between the chokes with basically little to no airflow going over them.

Yeah, saw that there were large chokes in the way. Pretty dumb layout. Unless you buy a larger heatsink, and have access to a machine shop - I don't see how that gets better

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You are not just grumpy, you're stubborn. Zip tie a fan, boom done. Or stop hoarding pennies, or make the kids eat mac&cheese instead of takeout pizza or whatever, and buy a better board. Then go trap shoot that 💩 board with a 12 gauge.

I had one HDV board Larry sent me. Lesson learned, never again.

 

[Shmee]

Mac and cheese is actually quite good, or can be.

 

[IEC]

Amusingly, the HDV/M.2 micro ATX board on AM5 is actually decent. But pretty much all the AM5 boards are overkill on VRM.

 

[Ajay]

Mac and cheese is actually quite good, or can be.

I envy those who can sell their children in to slavery a top of the line system.

I kid, I kid. /intended ;-)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Amusingly, the HDV/M.2 micro ATX board on AM5 is actually decent. But pretty much all the AM5 boards are overkill on VRM.

That board is the unicorn. You are forgetting A620 exists.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Mac and cheese is actually quite good, or can be.

I make glorious mac&cheese; the secret is a little smoked habanero powder.

 

[No_Huckleberry_1514]

Mmmmm... baked mac & cheese

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Well the kids have been demanding Mac n Cheese made with Orzo recently...

Problem is I can't do things half way and I end up with sides of bacon and sausage and roasted peppers and eggplant and stuff to top the Mac n Cheese with.

I guess what I'm saying is I'll start shopping for a used B550M AM4 board and end up with some sort of AM5 Aorus Master Elite board. Best to stop now.

Then again I could get a new board and my buddy would be able to use the 2200g and B450m as a free "PS4" level system with a used 6600...

I envy those who can sell their children in to slavery a top of the line system.

I kid, I kid. /intended ;-)

-Oh I don't even see kids, I see tiny indentured servants that work off their contract by 18. /s but also not really.

 

[Ajay]

Okay. The Gigabyte Aorus Master, is forgetting my my DRAM speed and timing settings, it keeps defaulting to DDR 2400!!!. If found a fix that works with XMP1 (3200 MT/s). I'm getting ~ the same performance as my old system (3900X) with DDR 3600 and reasonably tight timings. I'm ready to pull my hair out. This was a know problem with older boards/BIOSes. Saw posts on it with a fix, but it's not working. Upgraded to the latest BIOS - no go. And, as a bonus, after flashing it Office (OEM) decided that this was a new computer and won't work anymore


Paging @DrMrLordX who I link had an earlier version of this board.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Ajay

I do have an x570 Aorus Master with a 3900x in this system. My UEFI rev is really old though - it dates back to 2019. So I might not be much help.

 

[JoeRambo]

Okay. The Gigabyte Aorus Master, is forgetting my my DRAM speed and timing settings, it keeps defaulting to DDR 2400!!!.

That's typical of Gigabyte boards. My biggest worry with 5950x systems is that they will fail to reboot randomly, switching to backup BIOS on X570 Aorus pro motherboards.
Then somehow i kept on buying Gigabyte for 7950x's lol. Lot's of problems there too, but at least once dialled they stay that way.

Pro tip: avoid Gigabyte on AMD and on Intel.

 

[Ajay]

That's typical of Gigabyte boards. My biggest worry with 5950x systems is that they will fail to reboot randomly, switching to backup BIOS on X570 Aorus pro motherboards.
Then somehow i kept on buying Gigabyte for 7950x's lol. Lot's of problems there too, but at least once dialled they stay that way.

Pro tip: avoid Gigabyte on AMD and on Intel.

Yeah, that's been the consensus after doing some reading on Reddit and Overclockers.net. Hilariously, they said get the MSI (which is the one that died on me) or Asus. My 'minor' upgrade fiasco continues...
Could have gone over the AM5 with the extra money I've put into this, but, of course, I didn't expect it at the time.