AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[Ajay]

@Ajay

I do have an x570 Aorus Master with a 3900x in this system. My UEFI rev is really old though - it dates back to 2019. So I might not be much help.

I might try to flash back to an earlier version. The latest BIOSes are for 5800X 3D CPUs, which I don't have (5900X).

 

[DrMrLordX]

I might try to flash back to an earlier version. The latest BIOSes are for 5800X 3D CPUs, which I don't have (5900X).

Possibly. I experienced a similar problem recently (with it defaulting my RAM to DDR4-2133) so I gave up and left it that way since i should (in theory) be tearing it down soon. But I doubt our problems are too related given the vast difference in firmware verisons.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have 3 Gigabyte AM4 boards, all are champs. The B450 AORUS ELITE has been running my kid's setup for 5yrs. Got him through his comp sci degree and many 1000s of hours of gaming. The B550 version I am typing from is my main PC and has been a jewel. The other is the B550i AORUS PRO, and it's dynamite in a small package; love that board.

That's my counter to the Gigabyte complaints. I haven't had any USB issues or any of the other gripes I am reading either. I live a charmed existence I guess. 💪

All of that applies to my Asus TUF GAMING X570 plus wifi. Even my ASRocks, Fata1ty B450M/ITX and deskmini are well... solid as a rock. 😁 I don't have anything more power hungry than a 5800X. I have used 3-4 ram kits with some of them.

Bummer for those of you with issues. AM4 has been so good to me, I have no intention of building AM5 until the next gen hits.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yeah, little surprised to see the Gigabyte hate in here. Have consistently used Gigabyte boards since the LGA775 days and have never run into an issue.

Current primary board is a Gigabyte Aorus Master B550 and it's been 100% solid.

 

[JoeRambo]

Current primary board is a Gigabyte Aorus Master B550 and it's been 100% solid.

My Gigabyte B650's are solid, it took work to get there, including dozen or so battery resets ( more of a problem of AM5 not having functional mem safe boot ). BIOS is a disaster level mess with settings in multiple places having strange interactions etc. But once settings are dialed in, they run 6200 64GB just fine. Happy with them, but would not recommend it to anyone.
X570 => solid till it decides to fail boot and go into backup BIOS and several days later you find it on 2133 mem speed. Since multiple motherboards do it, i would not call it "bad luck" or "hate towards Gigabyte".

Intel's Z690 DDR4 motherboards on the other hand were just horrible. Great components on paper, awesome VRM schemes and "small" problem: horrible memory overclocking. Sticking to B-Die stuff it was like strugle to reach 3600 when MSI ran 3900 with ease, or 2x32GB that refused to run even 3200 without entering a lot of esoteric values manually. Same RAM ran on MSI 4000 without even trying.
I don't really need some internet consensus to know they have horrible D4 overclocking, they are just bad at it ( understatement ).

 

[igor_kavinski]

I was using the Gigabyte Z97 G1 Sniper with beta BIOS for supporting the i7-5775C (both used from Ali Express) until I moved to the 12700K with Z790. The G1 hated Corsair RAM and made me think something was wrong with the mobo or CPU since that RAM didn't have too many issues with the previous Gigabyte Z77 mobo. Got Kingston RAM and the G1 ran like a champ. Almost no showstopping issues to speak of after that.

 

[Ajay]

I have 3 Gigabyte AM4 boards, all are champs. The B450 AORUS ELITE has been running my kid's setup for 5yrs. Got him through his comp sci degree and many 1000s of hours of gaming. The B550 version I am typing from is my main PC and has been a jewel. The other is the B550i AORUS PRO, and it's dynamite in a small package; love that board.

That's my counter to the Gigabyte complaints. I haven't had any USB issues or any of the other gripes I am reading either. I live a charmed existence I guess. 💪

All of that applies to my Asus TUF GAMING X570 plus wifi. Even my ASRocks, Fata1ty B450M/ITX and deskmini are well... solid as a rock. 😁 I don't have anything more power hungry than a 5800X. I have used 3-4 ram kits with some of them.

Bummer for those of you with issues. AM4 has been so good to me, I have no intention of building AM5 until the next gen hits.

Did you do any memory or CPU overclocking? Mine seems to run fun if I just select the XMP1 profile and don't touch anything else. Thing is, I'm losing ~ 10 FPS in Borderlands 3, for example. And benches are barely faster than my old 3900X, rather than the average ~20% expected boost.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Did you do any memory or CPU overclocking? Mine seems to run fun if I just select the XMP1 profile and don't touch anything else. Thing is, I'm losing ~ 10 FPS in Borderlands 3, for example. And benches are barely faster than my old 3900X, rather than the average ~20% expected boost.

You should be able to use something like Ryzen Memory Calculator (or whatever replaced it).

 

[Ajay]

You should be able to use something like Ryzen Memory Calculator (or whatever replaced it).

Hasn't been updated in 3 years. Currently using Ryzen master, since the BIOS likes to forget my settings. F4 is a bit better than F5b. Using a memory overclocking guide on GitHub for Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. Unfortunately, I have to really relax timings to get IF clock of 1800 to work (I could keep tight timings on my MSI). Haven't updated my Sig yet because I'm annoyed.

Considering returning it and getting an MSI board. Asus boards are stupidly expensive right now (no price drop for 3 year old boards). I'm bothered because I wanted to extend the life of this system by maxing out the performance with the last gen AM4 CPUs. Simple CPU upgrade went so far off track. C'est la vie.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Asus boards are stupidly expensive right now (no price drop for 3 year old boards).

Why not this: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-B550-PLUS-Motherboard-Addressable/dp/B088W57M4J ?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Did you do any memory or CPU overclocking? Mine seems to run fun if I just select the XMP1 profile and don't touch anything else. Thing is, I'm losing ~ 10 FPS in Borderlands 3, for example. And benches are barely faster than my old 3900X, rather than the average ~20% expected boost.

Now we get to the meat and potatoes. The issues stem from overclocking. At which point any complaints made, while I personally consider as valid. I also react to with a surprised Pikachu.😁 Why? Silicon lottery for starters. Besides, didn't we just go through a whole fiasco over Asus not wanting to honor RMAs because XMP/EXPO is overclocking? LOL I know what you meant, but I had to.

And no, I am not really overclocking manually anymore. I.E. I don't squeeze every MHz out of my AM4 gear. I don't play with secondary or tertiary memory timings. None of that jazz. I set all of my Zen 3 to ECO mode with the 200MHz extra max boost. E.G. my 5800X boosts to 5050MHz when gaming. I have 4x8GB CL18 3600MT/s paired with it. The result is all of my benchmarks are better than stock; 3DMark, CPU-Z, in game benchmarks. On my 5700G I am running 4133MT/s ram without the 1to1 IF. Because the one thing I set manually, the iGPU speed, is overclocked 400-500 MHz depending on the case and cooling it has, and performs better with the added memory bandwidth.

I also do not play anything competitively, hence I use a frame cap with VRR for all games. Max is 120 if using my 165Hz monitor. That said, my 5600X with 4.85 boost, 1to1 3600MT/s spanks my old 3700X in gaming benches, so there is no comparison to Zen 2 with my setups.

My only complaint with Gigabyte is the UEFI. I liked MSI's implementation better when I had a B450 Tomahawk. The game mode A.I. thing was the future I was expecting 20yrs ago. Hit one button and it finds a sweet overclock for you with no time or effort. It set a 5600G to 4.7GHz all core but with power saving features active. I could still add a 4-500MHz iGPU OC on top of that. It's still running trouble free that way for my friend.That's as close to magic as I've seen on a board so far.

Concluding: I guess my position is, if your overclocking isn't going the way you want, I commiserate with youz guyz. Bummer my dudes, bummer.

 

[Ajay]

Why not this: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-B550-PLUS-Motherboard-Addressable/dp/B088W57M4J ?

Want an X570. 'S' version if possible.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hasn't been updated in 3 years.

That's odd. Looks like people are still using it for Zen 3/AM4 in 2023:

[Official] AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread

AM4 Ryzen Memory Stability Thread Please try to remember the following Clarify what platform and CPU you are speaking about when asking a particular question or speaking about your experience. Quote the user you are replying to when replying. When posting stability results, be sure to...

www.overclock.net

I would give 1.7.3 a try.

 

[WelshBloke]

That's odd. Looks like people are still using it for Zen 3/AM4 in 2023:

[Official] AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread

AM4 Ryzen Memory Stability Thread Please try to remember the following Clarify what platform and CPU you are speaking about when asking a particular question or speaking about your experience. Quote the user you are replying to when replying. When posting stability results, be sure to...

www.overclock.net

I would give 1.7.3 a try.

I think that's what I used to tighten my timings. I'll check when I get in.

 

[Ajay]

Well, I could try it again. Anywho, pretty sure I’m going return the Gigabyte and spring for an ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero AMD AM4 X570S. $400 bucks and definitely overkill. But I’m tired of messing around.

I’ve been doing allot for my mom lately (particularly dealing with her health problems and going to all her drs. Appointments with her), knowing I was annoyed with all the computer problems, she stuffed an envelope with $300 dollars into my shirt pocket. Normally I’d just hand it back - but she kept insisting this time. So, I feel better about blowing a bit more money.

 

[Ajay]

And no, I am not really overclocking manually anymore. I.E. I don't squeeze every MHz out of my AM4 gear. I don't play with secondary or tertiary memory timings. None of that jazz. I set all of my Zen 3 to ECO mode with the 200MHz extra max boost. E.G. my 5800X boosts to 5050MHz when gaming. I have 4x8GB CL18 3600MT/s paired with it.

I tweak about 8 memory settings, Dram clocks and two voltages for max memory performance without twiddling with everything. I’ll probably undervolt the 5900x. Nothing insane, but It gets my frame rates up to very good levels. Just need a new GFX card for some of the latest AAA titles. Then I should be set for a while.

 

[igor_kavinski]

she stuffed an envelope with $300 dollars into my shirt pocket. Normally I’d just hand it back - but she kept insisting this time.

Moms are the best!

 

[Asterox]

AM4 is dead.........................................ups,....................hm.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D 6-core CPU with 3D V-Cache is reportedly coming - VideoCardz.com

AMD working on a 6-core Ryzen with 3D V-Cache for the AM4 socket According to the leak from chi11eddog, AMD might be considering introducing a new AM4 CPU. The 8-core Ryzen 7 5800X3D, which has just marked its lowest price since launch last year, might soon have a younger sibling. The leak...

videocardz.com

 

[PJVol]

On my 5700G I am running 4133MT/s ram without the 1to1 IF.

Why not 1:1 ? It's fabric should run without a hassle at 2067mhz thus avoiding the unnecessary cross-domain timing penalty.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Why not 1:1 ? It's fabric should run without a hassle at 2067mhz thus avoiding the unnecessary cross-domain timing penalty.

Any particular voltages or anything that need tweaking to get it stable? I don't keep up with overclocking much anymore.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AM4 is dead.........................................ups,....................hm.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D 6-core CPU with 3D V-Cache is reportedly coming - VideoCardz.com

AMD working on a 6-core Ryzen with 3D V-Cache for the AM4 socket According to the leak from chi11eddog, AMD might be considering introducing a new AM4 CPU. The 8-core Ryzen 7 5800X3D, which has just marked its lowest price since launch last year, might soon have a younger sibling. The leak...

videocardz.com

I would be in for one, maybe two. 🤟

 

[PJVol]

Any particular voltages or anything that need tweaking to get it stable?

Nah, just set FCLK manually and "Auto" will do the rest.

 

[Ranulf]

AM4 is dead.........................................ups,....................hm.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D 6-core CPU with 3D V-Cache is reportedly coming - VideoCardz.com

AMD working on a 6-core Ryzen with 3D V-Cache for the AM4 socket According to the leak from chi11eddog, AMD might be considering introducing a new AM4 CPU. The 8-core Ryzen 7 5800X3D, which has just marked its lowest price since launch last year, might soon have a younger sibling. The leak...

videocardz.com

Neat, I guess. I can't really see the point of it though given current prices. Once you hit the $200 price point you can just go up a bit for a 7600 non X or X or Intel 13500 or a 12th gen part. Under $200 price point, the 5600 is $130 and the 5700x is usually $180-200. I guess to try and keep people on the amd platform that still have a Ryzen 1,2 or 3 chip.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Neat, I guess. I can't really see the point of it though given current prices. Once you hit the $200 price point you can just go up a bit for a 7600 non X or X or Intel 13500 or a 12th gen part. Under $200 price point, the 5600 is $130 and the 5700x is usually $180-200. I guess to try and keep people on the amd platform that still have a Ryzen 1,2 or 3 chip.

AM4 is still cheaper as a platform than anything Intel or AM5. Unless maybe you go DDR4 on Z690 but who does that?

 

[Abwx]

Curious that AMD would put efforts releasing a 6 cores with V-cache that late in the AM4 lifeycle now that thoses SKUs prices are rock bottom priced, likely that these are actually 7800X3D that didnt pass the final tests and were stockpiled until there s enough quantities to sell them as 6C parts.