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Curious that AMD would put efforts releasing a 6 cores with V-cache that late in the AM4 lifeycle now that thoses SKUs prices are rock bottom priced, likely that these are actually 7800X3D that didnt pass the final tests and were stockpiled until there s enough quantities to sell them as 6C parts.
Zen 4 cores can not be reused as Zen 2 parts. "5600x3d"
 

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Well God damn I can't help myself. Bought a Gigabyte B550m DS3H AC board on a whim today.

Seller was asking $99.00, I countered with $65 ($110 new - 40% used discount) and seller went for it. So after tax $70 all in.

Huge upgrade to the ASRock though. Good VRM layout, built in wifi, PCIe 4.0, 2x M.2 slots, 4x RAM slots...

Given how much use this spare PC is getting it's a relatively minimal cost for a potentially big overall upgrade.

Also allows me to move the 2200g +B450 board (which was a fine combo) on to someone who can use it.
 

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Well God damn I can't help myself. Bought a Gigabyte B550m DS3H AC board on a whim today.

Seller was asking $99.00, I countered with $65 ($110 new - 40% used discount) and seller went for it. So after tax $70 all in.

Huge upgrade to the ASRock though. Good VRM layout, built in wifi, PCIe 4.0, 2x M.2 slots, 4x RAM slots...

Given how much use this spare PC is getting it's a relatively minimal cost for a potentially big overall upgrade.

Also allows me to move the 2200g +B450 board (which was a fine combo) on to someone who can use it.
5700X and B550 is a winning combo. I only went with 5950X because I recently started using Handbrake for my YouTube channel where every core counts.

Zen 3 still feels very "fresh". Not in a rush to visit Zen 4. Probably waiting for Zen 5 at the earliest.
 

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5700X and B550 is a winning combo. I only went with 5950X because I recently started using Handbrake for my YouTube channel where every core counts.

Zen 3 still feels very "fresh". Not in a rush to visit Zen 4. Probably waiting for Zen 5 at the earliest.

-For most folks coming off of old Skylake or whatever Zen 3 still offers a huge boost.

Methinks the Zen3 gen is going to be another Sandy Bridge esq gen where you'll have people sitting on it for a decade and still giving up only a relatively small performance bump.
 

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-For most folks coming off of old Skylake or whatever Zen 3 still offers a huge boost.

Methinks the Zen3 gen is going to be another Sandy Bridge esq gen where you'll have people sitting on it for a decade and still giving up only a relatively small performance bump.
Depending on what you do, Zen 4 is a HUGE jump/bump. Almost anything is 40% faster for what I do. And Genoa just wipes the floor even with Milan.

BUT... For more limited use scenarios than mine, yes, a 5950x may last 10 years for many people.
 

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-For most folks coming off of old Skylake or whatever Zen 3 still offers a huge boost.

Methinks the Zen3 gen is going to be another Sandy Bridge esq gen where you'll have people sitting on it for a decade and still giving up only a relatively small performance bump.

I sat on Ivy Bridge for nearly a decade before going to Zen+, and now Zen 3 with a 5700X. Just upgraded to 32GB of memory. Should last awhile. All on the same B450 board. Thanks for options AMD!
 

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I sat on Ivy Bridge for nearly a decade before going to Zen+, and now Zen 3 with a 5700X. Just upgraded to 32GB of memory. Should last awhile. All on the same B450 board. Thanks for options AMD!
Did pretty much the same. 2700X -> 5800X -> 5950X. Zen+ had great multithread performance for the time but I couldn't ignore the single thread bump for games.The extra 8 cores are purely for encoding, editing and, occasionally, BOINC.
 
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Did pretty much the same. 2700X -> 5800X -> 5950X. Zen+ had great multithread performance for the time but I couldn't ignore the single thread bump for games.The extra 8 cores are purely for encoding, editing and, occasionally, BOINC.

I went from a 2600X to a 5700X so that was an even bigger boost. Handbrake is about the most CPU intensive thing I do but it is infrequent enough that I am fine with eight cores, escpecially with the added 256 bit AVX2, whereas Zen 1/+ had to split it into two 128 bit ops.

Also agree about the great multithreaded performance. I remember getting a nice boost in FPS playing Battlefield 1 even with the same GPU. Single thread was decent, but nothing to write home about. I thought about getting the 5900X when it first came out but was able to put off that upgrade itch long enough to get a nice deal on the 5700X. I decided eight cores was enough for the remainder of its useful life and save the money for Zen 5 or Arrow Lake.
 

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Methinks the Zen3 gen is going to be another Sandy Bridge esq gen where you'll have people sitting on it for a decade and still giving up only a relatively small performance bump.


I feel seen. I have been on AM4 for 6yrs, only 4 more until it's a full decade.

5700X and B550 is a winning combo. I only went with 5950X because I recently started using Handbrake for my YouTube channel where every core counts.

Zen 3 still feels very "fresh". Not in a rush to visit Zen 4. Probably waiting for Zen 5 at the earliest.
I am interested in what kind of content you are producing. If it's gaming or PC related I am happy to support you by subscribing. If so, PM the link to your channel if you want. If it's photography or something, no thanks!
 

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I feel seen. I have been on AM4 for 6yrs, only 4 more until it's a full decade.


I am interested in what kind of content you are producing. If it's gaming or PC related I am happy to support you by subscribing. If so, PM the link to your channel if you want. If it's photography or something, no thanks!

Hey! What's wrong with photography? I mean real photogragphy, not some chick that thinks her iphone camera is better than a telescope for taking a picture of the moon. Or maybe it was Samsung. I don't remember because the advert was stupid.

Now if you want to talk about focal length, apeture, shutter speed, ISO, etc that is something that one should be interested if they are into photopgraphy. I happen to like Ken Rockwell. He covers so much stuff in *gasp* the written form. I did not mean to go off track with this thread, I do apologize.
 
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Me when someone starts talking about photography -



On topic: I am hoping the 5600X3D shows up. A new and powerful budget gaming CPU on a 6yr old platform would be a cool surprise. If it can give the performance boost over the vanilla version like it's big brother. Especially in the 1% lows, and simulators, that'd be nice. As long as AMD doesn't pull their derp pricing at launch. It's like they clear out the fanatics and suckers, then start pricing the hardware more realistically shortly after. Not cool.
 

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Me when someone starts talking about photography -



On topic: I am hoping the 5600X3D shows up. A new and powerful budget gaming CPU on a 6yr old platform would be a cool surprise. If it can give the performance boost over the vanilla version like it's big brother. Especially in the 1% lows, and simulators, that'd be nice. As long as AMD doesn't pull their derp pricing at launch. It's like they clear out the fanatics and suckers, then start pricing the hardware more realistically shortly after. Not cool.
I suspect that it will. I'm sure they have Milan X3D VCache dies that need a product to move spare inventory.
 

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Me when someone starts talking about photography -



On topic: I am hoping the 5600X3D shows up. A new and powerful budget gaming CPU on a 6yr old platform would be a cool surprise. If it can give the performance boost over the vanilla version like it's big brother. Especially in the 1% lows, and simulators, that'd be nice. As long as AMD doesn't pull their derp pricing at launch. It's like they clear out the fanatics and suckers, then start pricing the hardware more realistically shortly after. Not cool.

Sorry you find phtography boring. I used to hate it when girls were all saying that they were great photographers when everything was automated. It used to be a thing, and maybe still is.

As far as the 5600X3D, I don't think we will see that. It really just doesn't make sense as a company to provide a low cost option rather than promoting their new platform.
 

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Sorry you find phtography boring. I used to hate it when girls were all saying that they were great photographers when everything was automated. It used to be a thing, and maybe still is.

As far as the 5600X3D, I don't think we will see that. It really just doesn't make sense as a company to provide a low cost option rather than promoting their new platform.

-Might end up being one of those "developing country only" type products that never finds it's way to the US and EU.
 

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Depending on what you do, Zen 4 is a HUGE jump/bump. Almost anything is 40% faster for what I do. And Genoa just wipes the floor even with Milan.

BUT... For more limited use scenarios than mine, yes, a 5950x may last 10 years for many people.

- Didn't realize this, went and took a look at a 7800x3d vs 5800x3d review on techspot and to my surprise the performance difference was as much as 40% in some games at 1080p and even 20% at 1440p. Mostly evented out at 4K though. I'm sure on non-gaming workloads there are similar if not larger differences.

I feel like the general narrative between Zen 4 and Zen 3 has been that its a rather "meh" upgrade but not sure if time and some refinement of the new chipset has really changed things around (or maybe the x3D AM5 parts are really a cut above).
 

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- Didn't realize this, went and took a look at a 7800x3d vs 5800x3d review on techspot and to my surprise the performance difference was as much as 40% in some games at 1080p and even 20% at 1440p. Mostly evented out at 4K though. I'm sure on non-gaming workloads there are similar if not larger differences.

I feel like the general narrative between Zen 4 and Zen 3 has been that its a rather "meh" upgrade but not sure if time and some refinement of the new chipset has really changed things around (or maybe the x3D AM5 parts are really a cut above).
As I said, a lot depends on workload. But there is NO place that they are within a few percent, its always noticeable. At least 5% up to 20% is common, and for what I do, if the code is using avx-512, its up to 40%.
 

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This launch combination is also ok, until it is sold out.

 

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Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC board arrived. Seller didn't include backplate, which mildly annoyed me but whatever.

Did the board swap for the ASRock B450M HDV Rev 1.0 this morning. The ASRock board was one of those tiny mATX while the Gigabyte was a more "full" size mATX with 4 RAM banks and 2 m.2 slots.

To my absolute shock, the fully rebuilt board loaded straight into my old Win10 install without skipping a beat (well I had to redo the scaling on my screen, but that's it).

This is the first time in two decades of building PCs that a Windows install boots with no issues on a brand new motherboard with a different chipset.

Ran some 3dmark tests and all looks well at the moment. Son is going to do his hour of gaming (looks like it'll be Hogwarts) so the PC will get a bit more stress testing in a minute.
 
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This is the first time in two decades of building PCs that a Windows install boots with no issues on a brand new motherboard with a different chipset.
Yeah. Win10 doesn't go into panic mode on seeing new hardware. Not sure if the experience would be different going from AMD to Intel and vice versa. Storage related changes may still cause a bluescreen (changing from AHCI to Legacy or RAID mode).
 

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Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC board arrived. Seller didn't include backplate, which mildly annoyed me but whatever.

I don't even recall a single build on a 3000/5000 series ryzen where i used the factory backplate.
Most of the aftermarket sinks used required CPU mounting / backplate removal.
Well I don't use 20 dollar heat sinks as well.
 

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I don't even recall a single build on a 3000/5000 series ryzen where i used the factory backplate.
Most of the aftermarket sinks used required CPU mounting / backplate removal.
Well I don't use 20 dollar heat sinks as well.

-Maybe I used the wrong word, I meant the I/O plate for the back panel.

Not the back plate for the CPU mount (although I am actually using the stock version for that).
 
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