AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[biostud]

Leading DRAM makers may stop producing DDR4 and DDR3 by late 2025 — China memory makers flood the market with half-price memory

Chinese DRAM manufacturers CXMT and Fujian Jinhua have usurped Micron, Samsung, and SK Hynix by undercutting prices.

www.tomshardware.com

So this will possibly be the last year for AM4. Once DDR4 stock dries up, there won't be an easy way to make a new AM4 build, other than going for weird branded Chinese RAM of questionable quality.

I already has 64GB 3600Mhz in my work computer I'm just wondering if that 2700X should be upgraded to a 5950X which currently is slightly cheaper than the 5900XT in Denmark ($350)

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I already has 64GB 3600Mhz in my work computer I'm just wondering if that 2700X should be upgraded to a 5950X which currently is slightly cheaper than the 5900XT in Denmark ($350)

If you want to squeeze the absolute last drop from your AM4 build, the 5950X is an absolute beast, good for anything you throw at it.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Alright, folks... I need your input here.

I just replaced my 5900X with the 5900XT, and although they're both nominally 105W chips, the cooling demands are much higher. I see temperatures around 85C when I process video, and I'm not even going 100% on all the cores. This is definitely hotter than the previous chip.

*EDIT*

So... I needed to reduce temperatures, and besides the advice regarding ECO mode (via Ryzen Master), I figured I could try undervolting first.
I found a few tutorials for the 5950X (essentially the same chip) and the 5900X.

 

[Abwx]

Alright, folks... I need your input here.

I just replaced my 5900X with the 5900XT, and although they're both nominally 105W chips, the cooling demands are much higher. I see temperatures around 85% when I process video, and I'm not even going 100% on all the cores. definitely it's hotter than previous chip.

So... I need to reduce temperatures, and undervolting seems to be an efficient measure. I found this tutorial for the 5950X, which should be the same chip.
What do you think?

You should check the thermal contact with the heatsink, the 5950X consume about 10W less than the 5900X in both Cinebench and Prime 95, this result in a lower temp, 5900XT should behave the same way as the 5950X.

AMD Ryzen 5950X, 5900X, 5800X & 5600X im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Temperatur

AMD Ryzen 5000 im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Temperatur / Leistungsaufnahme von Leerlauf bis Volllast

www.computerbase.de

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I am pretty sure the heatsink is well-placed, and the thermal paste is the Arctic MX4.
However, this is a HTPC enclosure, so it's not as spacious or ventilated as a full ATX tower.
The cooler is a Cryorig M9 Plus, with two 92mm fans in push-pull configuration and 130W TDP.
So I got the best possible cooling solution for that case, and it's properly installed.

*EDIT*

I'm posting an update both here and in my previous post, 'cause it was a strange experience.
My board refuses to save any settings aside from DOCP and the fan speeds. No matter how many things I change - and choose to save - during my attempts, the values revert to auto after reboot.
So I abandoned the BIOS attempts and went to Ryzen Master under Windows.

Whoa... Once ECO mode is turned on in Ryzen Master, the temperatures dropped by 20C. Did not change anything else.
With all CPU threads running at 100%, the system monitor gadget says I'm only using 89W out of maximum 105W, and the temperature is a comfortable 64C. Very impressive. Most importantly, the fans aren't screaming bloody murder.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I am pretty sure the heatsink is well-placed, and the thermal paste is the Arctic MX4.

Pretty awful paste compared to GX-14: https://www.igorslab.de/en/thermal-paste-comparison/?ids=42,96

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD breathes life into Ryzen 5000G family with six new chips — Cezanne with up to eight Zen 3 cores and 4.6 GHz boost clocks

AM4 refuses to ride off in the sunset.

www.tomshardware.com

5705G seems to be identical to 5700G, other than no mention of an included cooler.

 

[Shmee]

So an interesting thing I have noticed recently on my 5800X3D. For some time it seemed like performance in games seemed to be a bit lower than expected, and so today I went ahead and checked the frequency on my CPU with HWinfo. Interestingly, I noticed that it wasn't boosting properly, but rather maxed at about 3.4GHz for CPU clock. These lower clocks would explain lower performance for sure, but why was this happening?

So I tried adjusting power plan settings, that didn't fix it, and I tried updating X570 chipset drivers and restarted. Still not fixed. So I figured it was some issue in BIOS. Restarted again, and looked at PBO settings. I tried setting a PBO limits from Auto to Motherboard, that didn't fix it. I know I also had a -20 CO applied to all cores, so I took a deeper look. Scalar was on Auto, I tried putting it to 2X, and I removed the +25MHz max boost offset. One of these seemed to fix the problem! I am now seeing around 4.4GHz clocks. I may go back and try playing with it to see which one made the difference.

For reference, I am running UEFI revision 1.L on my board, and for whatever reason this version (at least) seems to have this bug.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

^ That's a weird one.

BTW, looks like Zen 3 3D is riding into the sunset. Even AliExpress doesn't have it from a reputable seller for under $200.

 

[Shmee]

^ That's a weird one.

BTW, looks like Zen 3 3D is riding into the sunset. Even AliExpress doesn't have it from a reputable seller for under $200.

That's too bad. Are there still decent prices used from Ebay?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's too bad. Are there still decent prices used from Ebay?

Ebay is a mess for PC parts. I think 3 out of the last
4 "deals" I got there I had to send back due to faulty or DOA.

 

[Shmee]

Ebay is a mess for PC parts. I think 3 out of the last
4 "deals" I got there I had to send back due to faulty or DOA.

That sucks, definitely an unfortunate experience, and a different experience from mine. I have ordered quite a few computer parts off Ebay over the years, and they have for the most part been good deals and worked fine.

For instance, I ordered 2 Samsung NVMe U.2 drives for my server, at a good discounted price. PM1733s I think, almost 8TB worth. I have ordered many CPUs, including used Xeons, and I think several Ryzens. Some RAM as well, including a deal on 256GB of ECC RDIMMs. 4x 12TB WD DC HDDs from goharddrive's store I believe. Also an Intel X540 10Gbps NIC.

The only one I had trouble with really was the NIC, I think due to that they are known to be prone for running hot. I have since replace it with a Marvell controller.

Anyway, I did see that the supply is definitely drying up for the 5700X3D and 5800X3D. Unfortunate, cheapest price for a used 5700X3D is like $250 used.

 

[SteinFG]

5500X3D suddenly appears

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/5000-series/amd-ryzen-5-5500x3d.html

LATAM only.

I don't even know, with those core clocks it "might" beat 12600K, but probably not.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't even know, with those core clocks it "might" beat 12600K, but probably not.

It's a limited release SKU. It'll primarily be a drop in upgrade I'd think.

But it will not have any trouble providing a similar experience to a 12600K with DDR5. 3D does not drop off much with lower clockspeed in most games. Has the advantage of not needing overclocking or losing notable performance with dirt cheap DDR4 3600MHz.



Given that there is such a small drop off from the 400MHz clockspeed difference with the 8 cores, that should carry over to the 6 cores. In which case it is going to again, be a similar experience on both CPUs. Here's a 14 game average from HUB from 2/2025 The 12600K is paired with DDR5 7200.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't even know, with those core clocks it "might" beat 12600K, but probably not.

But could be cheaper than 12600K. Remember, Intel and Nvidia are considered "gold" in third world markets.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

AM4 longevity is amazing! Looks like I'm going to bypass AM5 altogether!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AM4 longevity is amazing! Looks like I'm going to bypass AM5 altogether!

AM4Life do be like that.

It took the MOAR COREZ!!!1!!1!! mockery of the FX era, and pimp slapped them like they were holding back money. Now those that were doing the mocking are unironically all in on MOAR COREZ. Flawless victory.

Even the last talking point they had failed dismally. "Platform longevity doesn't matter because I only upgrade every 5 years!"



And AM4 is still getting CPUs released for it. Making it easily the GOAT for value and longevity.

 

[CakeMonster]

^ I think a better measure for longevity would be the last widely available release that actually catered to a new segment or niche. AM4 still ranks well, but I'm not letting AMD get away with confusing marketing either.

AMD claimed AM5 will last until 2027, if that doesn't include Zen6 which is expected in 2026, we have every right to say they're misleading us.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

^ I think a better measure for longevity would be the last widely available release that actually catered to a new segment or niche. AM4 still ranks well, but I'm not letting AMD get away with confusing marketing either.

AMD claimed AM5 will last until 2027, if that doesn't include Zen6 which is expected in 2026, we have every right to say they're misleading us.

I think releasing new variants of existing products on the platform really doesn't count for "platform longevity" to me. Releasing actual new products does.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

^ I think a better measure for longevity would be the last widely available release that actually catered to a new segment or niche. AM4 still ranks well, but I'm not letting AMD get away with confusing marketing either.

Indeed. "You will express your displeasure on the internets."

I think sales numbers are the best determinant of longevity. AM4 still outsells everything the competition produces. Money talks the rest walks.

I think releasing new variants of existing products on the platform really doesn't count for "platform longevity" to me. Releasing actual new products does.

You guys can have whatever criteria you want. As can I. Gamers vote AM4 as the GOAT of platform longevity with their wallets every day.