AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think AM4 will sadly be left behind in the Win12 world and AMD probably won't even try to convince Microsoft to have support for it. Knowing Microsoft, they will make NPU mandatory. Should be possible to still have a compatible system with a graphics card meeting the minimum AI TOPS requirement but that's a big maybe.

 

[Thunder 57]

I think AM4 will sadly be left behind in the Win12 world and AMD probably won't even try to convince Microsoft to have support for it. Knowing Microsoft, they will make NPU mandatory. Should be possible to still have a compatible system with a graphics card meeting the minimum AI TOPS requirement but that's a big maybe.

Technically OG Zen is not supported by Windows 11. Only Zen+ and newer. I'm not worried though as there may be workarounds like there are for Win 11. Not to mention AM4 will very likely be obsolete by the time Win 12 comes around.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How so? You save the cost of a new motherboard/memory and the time reinstalling the OS and setting everything up unless you trust the OS to handle all of the new parts OK (I've gotten away with it, but don't count on it).

What's your next argument? That you are stuck with PCIe 3 and not PCIe 4?

I think there is a disconnect/miscommunication happening. I for one, am not contending when the industry definition of "dead platform" occurs. I am contending that the definition is meaningless by any practical or chronological measure. The 5700X3D released in 2024. It was not available for purchase before that. It is entirely irrelevant that it is a derivative of the 5800X3D. Why? Because in 2024 we could buy a brand new SKU for the first time and put it in a board from 2017- 2018 as long as the model received a bios update. That's longevity. For anyone that buys a 5500X3D, that'll be a SKU that never existed before 2025. That's also chronological and practical longevity.

AM4 = "What is dead may never die" ☠️

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think AM4 will sadly be left behind in the Win12 world

Who cares? DIY is not going to be constrained by MS. I am already moving my PCs to Linux as the primary OS. For all AMD systems, performance is overall better than windows too. I am starting to think windows is the one going to get left behind by DIY gamers in the next few years.

 

[igor_kavinski]

For anyone that buys a 5500X3D, that'll be a SKU that never existed before 2025. That's also chronological and practical longevity.

At least should receive support for 3 years so 2028.

 

[Thunder 57]

I think there is a disconnect/miscommunication happening. I for one, am not contending when the industry definition of "dead platform" occurs. I am contending that the definition is meaningless by any practical or chronological measure. The 5700X3D released in 2024. It was not available for purchase before that. It is entirely irrelevant that it is a derivative of the 5800X3D. Why? Because in 2024 we could buy a brand new SKU for the first time and put it in a board from 2017- 2018 as long as the model received a bios update. That's longevity. For anyone that buys a 5500X3D, that'll be a SKU that never existed before 2025. That's also chronological and practical longevity.

AM4 = "What is dead may never die" ☠️

It is meaningless. Is it dead? Technically not. Would a build a new system on AM4 in current year? I'd have to think of a darn good use case. Would I upgrade an AM4 platform these days? I think if you haven't by now there probably wasn't a need to.

Who cares? DIY is not going to be constrained by MS. I am already moving my PCs to Linux as the primary OS. For all AMD systems, performance is overall better than windows too. I am starting to think windows is the one going to get left behind by DIY gamers in the next few years.

Valve could certainly make a push towards Linux. I am skeptical about "the next few years" though. Far too much momentum though it has slowed. Color me cautious over all of the "Year of Linux Desktop" 's that have come and gone.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Color me cautious over all of the "Year of Linux Desktop" 's that have come and gone.

Don't let me color you; I draw outside the lines And no it hasn't. It was always a stupid slogan. It is more a snowball on a slight decline. It is moving slow but it continues to get bigger. Check the numbers.

"Would I upgrade an AM4 platform these days? I think if you haven't by now there probably wasn't a need to." GTFOOH wit dat 💩. You don't get to decide when someone has the money or need. Or what their use case is.

EDIT: Imma dunk on that "probably wasn't a need to" remark - 5 of the top 10 best sellers on Amazon are Zen 3 including the 5700X3D. A whole bunch of shoppers, be it new build or upgrading, are choosing AM4. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

 

[Thunder 57]

Don't let me color you; I draw outside the lines And no it hasn't. It was always a stupid slogan. It is more a snowball on a slight decline. It is moving slow but it continues to get bigger. Check the numbers.

"Would I upgrade an AM4 platform these days? I think if you haven't by now there probably wasn't a need to." GTFOOH wit dat 💩. You don't get to decide when someone has the money or need. Or what their use case is.

EDIT: Imma dunk on that "probably wasn't a need to" remark - 5 of the top 10 best sellers on Amazon are Zen 3 including the 5700X3D. A whole bunch of shoppers, be it new build or upgrading, are choosing AM4. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

I said "Would I upgrade", and I don't think I would. Clearly plenty of other people disagree. Maybe they held on to Zen or Zen 2 for a long time and want that last upgrade.

Also I think the 5700X3D ship has sailed. A year ago it was $200 or even less. Today it is $265. I expect it will do just what the 5800X3D did when stock ran low/out and climb in price. I sure wouldn't pay $110 more for a 5700X3D than a vanilla 5700X. That's likely be better spent on a GPU or just holding on to for the future. But if someone wants the best for gaming on AM4 and plans to hold on to that for awhile it could be worth it to them.

 

[Shmee]

I am still using a 5800X3D in my main comp, and a 5900X in my Quakecon/travel comp.