AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[DrMrLordX]

How much vcore did you need for that workload at that clockspeed?

 

[crashtech]

That surprises me. How much vDIMM and SoC voltage are you using?

Values up to 1.4V vDIMM were tried, no more than 1.1V SoC was used. I don't know enough about Ryzen yet to go crazy with the voltage. Perhaps I can try one DIMM at a time in various positions.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Values up to 1.4V vDIMM were tried, no more than 1.1V SoC was used. I don't know enough about Ryzen yet to go crazy with the voltage. Perhaps I can try one DIMM at a time in various positions.

Interesting. Did you try using Ryzen Master, or did you only OC through the UEFI?

 

[crashtech]

Interesting. Did you try using Ryzen Master, or did you only OC through the UEFI?

The only thing I've used Ryzen Master for is to monitor temps, since my other utility won't work. All adjustments are made within the UEFI.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The only thing I've used Ryzen Master for is to monitor temps, since my other utility won't work. All adjustments are made within the UEFI.

Okay, try using Ryzen Master to set your memory speeds then. Make sure not to adjust any of the voltage settings in Ryzen Master other than to make sure that your vcore and SoC voltage settings match those in the UEFI. Actually do this (I've posted this before, but I'll post it again since it works for me):

1). Set CPU clockspeed + all voltages in UEFI. Leave all RAM speed + timings at stock. I recommend 1.4v vDIMM and at least 1.05v SoC
2). Boot to Windows
3). Run Ryzen Master. Create a profile with clockspeed, CPU Voltage, and VDDCRSoC that match the values from your UEFI settings
4). Set timings to 14-14-32-14-14
5). Set RAM speed to DDR4-3200
6). Apply, allow system to reboot, allow Ryzen Master to run itself as normal, then close Ryzen Master

From that point forward, you should have DDR4-3200 14-14-14-32 every time you boot, cold or warm, without ever having to run Ryzen Master. Stuff like major crashes and resetting the CMOS will require you to repeat the process to get your RAM speeds back to normal.

 

[crashtech]

Okay, try using Ryzen Master to set your memory speeds then. Make sure not to adjust any of the voltage settings in Ryzen Master other than to make sure that your vcore and SoC voltage settings match those in the UEFI. Actually do this (I've posted this before, but I'll post it again since it works for me):

1). Set CPU clockspeed + all voltages in UEFI. Leave all RAM speed + timings at stock. I recommend 1.4v vDIMM and at least 1.05v SoC
2). Boot to Windows
3). Run Ryzen Master. Create a profile with clockspeed, CPU Voltage, and VDDCRSoC that match the values from your UEFI settings
4). Set timings to 14-14-32-14-14
5). Set RAM speed to DDR4-3200
6). Apply, allow system to reboot, allow Ryzen Master to run itself as normal, then close Ryzen Master

From that point forward, you should have DDR4-3200 14-14-14-32 every time you boot, cold or warm, without ever having to run Ryzen Master. Stuff like major crashes and resetting the CMOS will require you to repeat the process to get your RAM speeds back to normal.

Sorry to report that at step 6, I get a boot loop with "F9" displayed, same as when setting the speeds manually in the UEFI. After about 4 loops or so, it gives up trying to apply the RAM timings and ignores them, defaulting to 2133 and booting to Windows.

Edit: I did perform a proof of concept by applying all of your recommended settings through Ryzen Master, but selecting 1467 (2933) instead, and it booted fine at that speed. So I'm able to use the software correctly, but the machine won't boot with the RAM at 3200, it never has, so far, even with highly relaxed timings.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Almost pulled the trigger last night, dipping my toes into Ryzen territory.

But I'm torn. I would like an R7 1700, the entry-level 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but that's like $330 ($315 right now on Newegg's ebay site).

Newegg on ebay, also had ONE ASRock "Taichi" X370 (new) left in stock, for $200 ($10 off).

But that would be a splash-out of $530, without even adding the cost of RAM. OTOH, it's the equivalent rig to an Intel 6850X, right? Which is a lot more expensive. So a lot of bang-for-buck with Ryzen, regardless.

But then I was considering an R5 1400 4C/8C, for starters ($170), and an ASRock A320M Pro4, which has dual M.2 (one only SATA?), and seems alright, for running at stock speeds. The board is only $75. So, like $250 total outlay, for CPU/mobo, before RAM. Plus, it has four DDR4 slots.

Then I saw the really sweet combo deal from Newegg's own site. I posted it in Hot Deals, if you want details.

Basically, an ASRock Fata1ity B350 ATX board, with dual M.2, and a R7 1600X CPU, for $305, with a $5 MIR on the board. (Which I will probably ignore.)

That seems like an even sweeter deal, effectively $50 off the 1600X, making it $200 instead of $250.

If I had that kind of money in my acct. right now, I would spring for it.

I've got an XFX RX 470 4GB card in my current gaming rig, which is a Z170 board flashed to accept KBL, with a G4560 in it..

I've got several kits of DDR4-2400 RAM, and one 8GB kit (in one of these boxes), with some 2800 I think.

 

[scannall]

Almost pulled the trigger last night, dipping my toes into Ryzen territory.

But I'm torn. I would like an R7 1700, the entry-level 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but that's like $330 ($315 right now on Newegg's ebay site).

Newegg on ebay, also had ONE ASRock "Taichi" X370 (new) left in stock, for $200 ($10 off).

But that would be a splash-out of $530, without even adding the cost of RAM. OTOH, it's the equivalent rig to an Intel 6850X, right? Which is a lot more expensive. So a lot of bang-for-buck with Ryzen, regardless.

But then I was considering an R5 1400 4C/8C, for starters ($170), and an ASRock A320M Pro4, which has dual M.2 (one only SATA?), and seems alright, for running at stock speeds. The board is only $75. So, like $250 total outlay, for CPU/mobo, before RAM. Plus, it has four DDR4 slots.

Then I saw the really sweet combo deal from Newegg's own site. I posted it in Hot Deals, if you want details.

Basically, an ASRock Fata1ity B350 ATX board, with dual M.2, and a R7 1600X CPU, for $305, with a $5 MIR on the board. (Which I will probably ignore.)

That seems like an even sweeter deal, effectively $50 off the 1600X, making it $200 instead of $250.

If I had that kind of money in my acct. right now, I would spring for it.

I've got an XFX RX 470 4GB card in my current gaming rig, which is a Z170 board flashed to accept KBL, with a G4560 in it..

I've got several kits of DDR4-2400 RAM, and one 8GB kit (in one of these boxes), with some 2800 I think.

If there is a Microcenter near you, they have a bundle with the 1600 and the Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming for $249.

 

[Crono]

Almost pulled the trigger last night, dipping my toes into Ryzen territory.

But I'm torn. I would like an R7 1700, the entry-level 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but that's like $330 ($315 right now on Newegg's ebay site).

Newegg on ebay, also had ONE ASRock "Taichi" X370 (new) left in stock, for $200 ($10 off).

But that would be a splash-out of $530, without even adding the cost of RAM. OTOH, it's the equivalent rig to an Intel 6850X, right? Which is a lot more expensive. So a lot of bang-for-buck with Ryzen, regardless.

But then I was considering an R5 1400 4C/8C, for starters ($170), and an ASRock A320M Pro4, which has dual M.2 (one only SATA?), and seems alright, for running at stock speeds. The board is only $75. So, like $250 total outlay, for CPU/mobo, before RAM. Plus, it has four DDR4 slots.

Then I saw the really sweet combo deal from Newegg's own site. I posted it in Hot Deals, if you want details.

Basically, an ASRock Fata1ity B350 ATX board, with dual M.2, and a R7 1600X CPU, for $305, with a $5 MIR on the board. (Which I will probably ignore.)

That seems like an even sweeter deal, effectively $50 off the 1600X, making it $200 instead of $250.

If I had that kind of money in my acct. right now, I would spring for it.

I've got an XFX RX 470 4GB card in my current gaming rig, which is a Z170 board flashed to accept KBL, with a G4560 in it..

I've got several kits of DDR4-2400 RAM, and one 8GB kit (in one of these boxes), with some 2800 I think.

I'd probably go with this:

Or this

If there is a Microcenter near you, they have a bundle with the 1600 and the Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming for $249.

 

[crashtech]

@Crono , that's a smokin' deal for a 12 thread machine, wow.

 

[Malogeek]

But I'm torn. I would like an R7 1700, the entry-level 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but that's like $330 ($315 right now on Newegg's ebay site).

But then I was considering an R5 1400 4C/8C,

Seems like you don't really know what you want it for if you're tossed up between a 4 core and an 8 core? Looks like the 1600X is the perfect Ryzen for you.

 

[aigomorla]

Almost pulled the trigger last night, dipping my toes into Ryzen territory.

But I'm torn. I would like an R7 1700, the entry-level 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but that's like $330 ($315 right now on Newegg's ebay site).

mmm lemme shine my thoughts on it larry since i got a 1800X with all the bells and whistles on it thanks to the guys in this thread.

Ryzen is a beast, if you need a productivity machine.
Cinebench, Handbreak, Winrar extraction.... its a beast with all those threads.
However i may end up selling the entire system to my cousin because for a productivity machine, i would really like to have ECC ram.

Also i do not spend most of the time on it doing productivity because again, the cpu is such a beast, it finishes all its tasks in an insane small amount of time, which leaves it at idle unless i game'd on it.

So i may end up waiting for threadripper, and hope it has ECC support because i feel most productivity machines should have ECC ram.

So i am back on my 7700k for my daily driver because i spend about 80% of my time gaming when i am sitting in front of a monitor.
And the 7700k is the current queen beating out even the 6950X when it comes to pure gaming.

So if you need a productivity machine, larry dont look back, grab a Ryzen.
If you need a gaming machine, your much better off with a 7700k or waiting for CFL.

Oh also note... if your gonna run a m.2 drive get a heatsink like mark suggested.
Those suckers run really hot especially when doing encoding tasks, and a good sink will keep it in check.

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/292084731045

What about this A320 board? What's missing in A320 versus B350?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157762

Hmm, what's the difference? They look the same.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So if you need a productivity machine, larry dont look back, grab a Ryzen.
If you need a gaming machine, your much better off with a 7700k or waiting for CFL.

This is pretty-much a fun experimental rig, probably mostly used for DC, some gaming, possibly some mining, mostly neffing on the forums.

 

[scannall]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/292084731045

What about this A320 board? What's missing in A320 versus B350?

Overclocking mostly. A little less in the IO department.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Can you overclock on the A320 boards at all? Or is it a chipset/BIOS issue, and you need B350 and above to actually OC?

 

[scannall]

Can you overclock on the A320 boards at all? Or is it a chipset/BIOS issue, and you need B350 and above to actually OC?

The 350, 370 and X300 boards all overclock. The 320's and the A300 cannot. The A and X300 boards are the mini-itx boards btw. Not on the market yet.

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-AB35...730888?hash=item44019b4c08:g:C6MAAOSwnF9Y7ixO

Here's the ASRock AB350M Pro4 on ebay (Newegg). Guess that I'll pay the $7 more for the AMD overclocking tax.

Edit: OK, pulled the trigger, on that board, and a R5 1600 (non-X, though the X might have been worth it for gaming purposes).

 

[EXCellR8]

might be interested in a mini-itx ryzen 5 build at some point, but vega's the next thing to hurt my wallet.

seems like my X370 is just peachy now, but I did flash the BIOS again with v2.30 which claimed further OC enhancements. i suppose it was worth the trouble, but I was pretty aggravated after a few weeks of initial troubleshooting to no end.

 

[scannall]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-AB35...730888?hash=item44019b4c08:g:C6MAAOSwnF9Y7ixO

Here's the ASRock AB350M Pro4 on ebay (Newegg). Guess that I'll pay the $7 more for the AMD overclocking tax.

That's not a bad deal really. The Asrock bios has been solid. I think the X300 boards will be a lot of fun too. 8 cores, and a half height video card in this for example. Antec ISK 310-150

 

[Crono]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-AB35...730888?hash=item44019b4c08:g:C6MAAOSwnF9Y7ixO

Here's the ASRock AB350M Pro4 on ebay (Newegg). Guess that I'll pay the $7 more for the AMD overclocking tax.

Edit: OK, plugged the trigger, on that board, and a R5 1600 (non-X, though the X might have been worth it for gaming purposes).

The binning of all the X chips for Ryzen doesn't seem to make a big difference. It's only worth getting if you aren't overclocking, in my opinion.

 

[aigomorla]

I also +1 ASRock.
The Bios has been solid, and the Ram compatibility is excellent.
Again, thanks to guys in this thread they allowed me to get the 3200mhz ram over the QVL 2400mhz one, and the board had no issues with it.

I just wish tho they would drop FATALITY brand because its just straight up stupid.
Infact he's not even active in the PXLAN scenes anymore nor is he #1.
Kill his royalties and give us the user the discount from not having to pay him to use his stupid name on the gear.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I hope that I can OC to a solid 3.8 on that combo, maybe 3.9 if I'm lucky? I figure hitting 4.0 would be really pushing it.

Edit: Now, onto the RAM. I've got two 8GB kits (2x4GB) of Avexir (blue LED) DDR4-2400, and a kit of black Team Dark 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400.

Is it that important to have DDR4-3200? Will DDR4-2400 suffice, for non-gaming tasks? Or will I see an improvement in DC stuff with 3200?

Wondering if it's worth spending more money, or just using what I have.

Edit: Also wondering if I should pick up another kit of the Team Dark 16GB DDR4-2400, to have 32GB.

If I'm doing BOINC, I need so much RAM per core/thread, for each task to run. I figure 2-4GB per task, so 12 tasks, that's 24-48GB of RAM.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Should I go with the 1600 or the 1600x? I already have a cooler master hyper 212 evo on hand, so the price difference is really only $30. Would the 212 be able to cool the 1600x enough if I overclocked it to the max?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Would the 212 be able to cool the 1600x enough if I overclocked it to the max?

My (limited) understanding of Ryzen, is that overclocking of any current-model Ryzen CPU is process-limited, such that you are unlikely to get much above 4Ghz on air anyways. Since the 1600X turbos to 4.0Ghz (is that all-core?), then manual OCing of that chip is largely pointless.