AMD to introduce its Radeon R9 300-series lineup at Computex

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StinkyPinky

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Yeah but I really wanted a new GPU for Witcher 3.

No way am I'm buying a crippled card (970) so I guess I have no choice but to wait though.
 

richaron

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AMD has a habit of refusing to release products I would buy because of their 'financial strategies'. Case in point: I don't want a Tahiti or Hawaii chip, but they refuse to sell me a full Tonga (or even neutered Tonga with 4G). Still waiting...
 

raghu78

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If it wasn't for this memory issue, I would have bought the 970 to replace my 280X. Now I'm not sure what to do. 290x?

get a R9 290 Tri-X if you want bang for the buck. R9 290X Tri-X if you are willing to spend a bit more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202143

USD 294 (USD 274 after rebate). thats a steal. :biggrin:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202079

The R9 3xx cards will be out in June. But you seem to want the GPU for Witcher 3 which is out in May.
 

stockwiz

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Want to buy a new card but don't know what to buy.. not buying a 970 until they drop the price to the $250 range to compensate for the memory issues, not paying $550 for a 980... don't really want to buy AMD either.... will just keep using my 670 for now and my mother will be stuck with her 260 instead of inheriting my 670.
 

loccothan

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The AMD Radeon R9 300 series will reportedly contain no re-branded graphics cards from the R9 200 series. An entirely new lineup is coming at Computex. The report in question alleges that AMD’s original plan was centered around introducing a new flagship Radeon product this month and rebranding a few other R9 200 series products to R9 300 series products. Essentially making the R9 290X the new R9 380X and the R9 285 the new R9 370, so on and so forth.To be completely honest, that’s what we had believed would happen as well. However according to the report there has been a change of plans and a massive one at that. Relatively recently AMD decided to take a different high-risk high-reward route with the R 300 series instead of the boring rebranding plan. Senior management and senior engineering heads at AMD have decided to introduce an entirely new line-up of GPUs, with no re-branding of older chips.

AMD Radeon 300 Series Won’t Be A Rebrand, Brand New GPUs Coming in June


I’m going to side-track for just a bit so bare with me. AMD’s Gaming Scientist Richard Huddy had stated on several occasions that “all of AMD’s future GPUs will support FreeSync“. The astute among you will deduce that for that to happen AMD simply cannot re-brand older Radeon 200 series GPUs to 300 series products. Purely because a significant portion of the R9/7 200 series does not support FreeSync. According to Huddy adding FreeSync support requires updating the display controller integrated into the GPU die itself, which would warrant a re-design of the die, something that’s extraordinarily expensive.
Currently AMD’s Hawaii (290 series), Tonga (285) and Bonaire (260 series) GPUs support FreeSync. This meant that AMD would have three chips which it can choose to re-brand without breaking FreeSync compatibility. There are however a few pitfalls to this strategy which may have led AMD to forgo it. One of which is the considerable gap between the Tonga chip, which is essentially an updated Tahiti (280X/280/7970/7950), and the Bonaire chip. This meant that AMD would have to design a new GPU to fill this gap anyway because it can’t use Pitcarin (270X/270/265/7870/7850) since it doesn’t support FreeSync. Another pitfall is that AMD cannot significantly improve the performance i.e. competitiveness of rebranded GPUs.
Now that we have successfully discussed what did not happen in the past and why, let’s talk about what will happen in the future. Just a couple of days ago AMD teased both its fans and the press with a yet unreleased, unannounced, ultra-enthusiast class Radeon graphics card. Which, AMD told us, was actually used to power several systems to demo Oculus VR at the GDC show floor.
Unfortunately that’s all that we’ve managed to get from the folks at AMD. Fortunately however we were told , in addition to several other journalists, that “much more” will be revealed about this mystery graphics card “soon”.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-300-series-not-rebrands/#ixzz3TlE9xLSP

Great News, FreeSync for Everybody !
Im Waiting for R390X WC ! Superb News
Greets to all
 

.vodka

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Good for AMD, Tahiti and Pitcairn have had a gigantic run, they're long overdue for an updated replacement.

Let's hope the new GPUs apart from the 390x are new technology top to bottom, not just little improvements here and there to, for example, tick the freesync checkbox or something along these lines.

Looking forward to June.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Um. Hate to tell you but we are 99% sure it will be rebrands. Never read wccftech.
390x is brand new
380x is a refined 290x
370x is a refined tonga (285)
 

96Firebird

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Their reasoning for no rebrands is very weak. First, Huddy's statement says future GPUs, so rebranding an old GPU in a new card does not constitute a "future GPU". Of course when they design a new GPU it will have Free-Sync, but that does not mean they can't still use older GPUs that don't support the gaming aspect of Free-Sync.

Beyond that, I still think they are going to have a full lineup that supports the gaming aspect of Free-Sync. They could easily release the product stack with the new 390(X), rebranded Hawaii as 380(X), Tonga for 270(X), a new GPU (could be delayed release if they are still working on it) 260(X), and finally Bonaire for 250(X)...

I'm not sure why this post couldn't have been in the other thread though.
 

geoxile

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I wouldn't be surprised. With Freesync and VR coming soon there's a big need to get compliant hardware at every price point. Plus it could be good to update GPUs with memory compression
 

JDG1980

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I'm skeptical of this article. GPUs take time to develop, even when they're based on an existing design; you can't create a full lineup of new GPUs in a couple of months, certainly not with AMD's limited R&D budget.

I can understand AMD wanting all its GPUs to support FreeSync and XDMA Crossfire. This means they have to be GCN 1.1 or higher. The thing is, this wouldn't require a full new lineup. We already know that the R9 390X is going to be a new, very large chip with the latest version of GCN. Rumors are that the R9 380X is going to be a rebranded Hawaii - which is GCN 1.1 and thus supports FreeSync and XDMA Crossfire already. The R9 370X looks like it's going to be the full Tonga chip (2048 stream processors); this will take the place of the old Tahiti-based cards, which will be phased out since they're GCN 1.0. The only place where AMD doesn't really have a suitable product is the range between Bonaire and Tonga. Pitcairn is GCN 1.0 and really needs to be retired in favor of something more up-to-date and preferably more efficient. I do think there's a good possibility that we will be seeing a new chip for the R9 360X to replace Pitcairn. This would be to AMD's advantage since a chip in this range could also be repurposed for high-end gaming laptops. (Pitcairn is currently AMD's best portable GPU, but can't effectively compete with Nvidia's Maxwell offerings.)

I hope whatever new GPUs that AMD develops will finally fix the excessive power consumption in multi-monitor mode and video decoding. This has been a real problem for a long time, and it's worse than the excess power consumption in gaming, since it happens all the time even if there's no real load.
 

Mondozei

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Um. Hate to tell you but we are 99% sure it will be rebrands. Never read wccftech.
390x is brand new
380x is a refined 290x
370x is a refined tonga (285)


What he said.

I mean, I hope that is incorrect but every single news story, including stuff that Sweclockers have been hearing(and they were out with the Computex-time frame story way ahead of everyone else) points to this.
 
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Maxwell is on a rampage. June is very late.

Each day is a financial disaster the longer they hold back 390X.
 

3DVagabond

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Um. Hate to tell you but we are 99% sure it will be rebrands. Never read wccftech.
390x is brand new
380x is a refined 290x
370x is a refined tonga (285)

This is from Kitguru not wccftech. Admittedly not a site with the rep of AT, but still several rungs up the ladder from wccftech.

Who are we?
 

Attic

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Want to buy a new card but don't know what to buy.. not buying a 970 until they drop the price to the $250 range to compensate for the memory issues, not paying $550 for a 980... don't really want to buy AMD either.... will just keep using my 670 for now and my mother will be stuck with her 260 instead of inheriting my 670.

Yea, lousy options right now.

980 too expensive

970 too questionable for the price

290 might be a good fit if snaggable at around $250
no freesync, no hdmi 2.0, poor power/hest vs the 970


Really is just a good time to wait.
 

metalliax

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Um. Hate to tell you but we are 99% sure it will be rebrands. Never read wccftech.
390x is brand new
380x is a refined 290x
370x is a refined tonga (285)

How about an official post from someone at AMD?
http://devgurus.amd.com/message/1306991#1306837

Here, Amit @ AMD makes it sound like all APUs and dGPUs released in 2015 will support HEVC decoding and encoding. I don't think it would be possible to release a simple rebrand with HEVC decoding/encoding support.

Anyhow, from a speculation standpoint, I believe AMD is waiting to release their complete 300 lineup, including some chips from the following list: Bermuda, Fiji, Maui, Treasure Island, Tonga2, etc... all including features more advanced than Tonga brought.

I am also hopeful we'll see 6GB/8GB HBM for 390 and 4GB HBM for 380, although I wouldn't be disappointed if not.


Edit: I do recall hearing a rumor that the Carrizo-L APU (lower end) may not include HEVC support, so my information may not apply to all, thus allowing some rebrands. We'll see though.
 
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Bubbleawsome

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I mean, we will see, but didn't GCN 1.2 already support all that? I'd be glad for new cards though.

Also we is just a general term. I didn't want to put I, and I didn't remember what specific site said it (turns out I read it at TechPowerUp!) so I just said "we". Minor grammatical freak out.
 

escrow4

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Titan X has already likely buried it, and I'd bet Nvidia will slap out the 980 Ti to shovel even more dirt on top. 2015 will be vicious.
 

Techhog

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I'm skeptical of this article. GPUs take time to develop, even when they're based on an existing design; you can't create a full lineup of new GPUs in a couple of months, certainly not with AMD's limited R&D budget.

I can understand AMD wanting all its GPUs to support FreeSync and XDMA Crossfire. This means they have to be GCN 1.1 or higher. The thing is, this wouldn't require a full new lineup. We already know that the R9 390X is going to be a new, very large chip with the latest version of GCN. Rumors are that the R9 380X is going to be a rebranded Hawaii - which is GCN 1.1 and thus supports FreeSync and XDMA Crossfire already. The R9 370X looks like it's going to be the full Tonga chip (2048 stream processors); this will take the place of the old Tahiti-based cards, which will be phased out since they're GCN 1.0. The only place where AMD doesn't really have a suitable product is the range between Bonaire and Tonga. Pitcairn is GCN 1.0 and really needs to be retired in favor of something more up-to-date and preferably more efficient. I do think there's a good possibility that we will be seeing a new chip for the R9 360X to replace Pitcairn. This would be to AMD's advantage since a chip in this range could also be repurposed for high-end gaming laptops. (Pitcairn is currently AMD's best portable GPU, but can't effectively compete with Nvidia's Maxwell offerings.)

I hope whatever new GPUs that AMD develops will finally fix the excessive power consumption in multi-monitor mode and video decoding. This has been a real problem for a long time, and it's worse than the excess power consumption in gaming, since it happens all the time even if there's no real load.

Actually, Tonga has a version for laptops; it's just that no manufacturer has put it in a laptop. Besides that, how would that even help them? It would still perform about the same as Pitcairn, while the 980M performs between the 770 and 970. It would change literally nothing, and would not be worth the R&D. Even Tonga can't really compete.
 

geoxile

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I mean, we will see, but didn't GCN 1.2 already support all that? I'd be glad for new cards though.

Also we is just a general term. I didn't want to put I, and I didn't remember what specific site said it (turns out I read it at TechPowerUp!) so I just said "we". Minor grammatical freak out.

No. Carrizo's GPU is the only thing confirmed to support hardware accelerated HEVC decoding. 390X, with its sparse details, was assumed to support it.

If the new GPUs really do support it then that means they will feature a brand new UVD block.
 

Techhog

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Titan X has already likely buried it, and I'd bet Nvidia will slap out the 980 Ti to shovel even more dirt on top. 2015 will be vicious.

We shouldn't make assumptions about completely unknown products, especially when we look at the rumored specs.
 

Ramses

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Do you not know what a fanboy is?


lols


It really is going to suck for everyone if AMD goes under. Folks had any sense they'd be encouraging anyone and everyone to buy something from them if it'd possibly meet their needs for a reasonable length of time.
 
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