AMD's roadmap rumors

[Regs]

Ok I'm sick of this loss of hope for AMD crap. You would have to believe a 4 GHz prescott beats a 2.2GHz A64 to believe this hype from Intel.

Yes, Anandtech has "inspected" the test systems for a whole hour to make sure there was no trickery involved however Anandtech has no access of making a independent test using their own systems for more than 6 months from now. When 5 FPS can mean 10-15% in one test, this will become more and more important.

Rumor one - AMD has been developing new architecture with licensed IBM and RAMBUS technology. They also have been working on Dual Stress Liner. A joint development with IBM. Rumor has it, AMD can tweak 40% more from their current cores. Well, even as a AMD fanboi I can't believe AMD can pull 40% out of it.

Rumor two - AMD is making 35w X2's for AM2 and Turion 64 for mobile parts. And this is using 90nm, not 65nm.

Rumor three - AMD is moving to 65nm soon. More room for more cache. More importantly however is how fast will the cache be and will it have lower latencies.

Rumor four - Intel has taken the bait and bit hard by advertising hardware that isn't due out until Q4 of 2006 or Q1 of 2007.

Hint - AMD's Henri Richards is commenting on NetBurst's "failure" and feeding the public that conroe is the proof of how badly everybody bought into NetBurst. They are trying to gain more ground in the retail market. So no matter what Henri said, even though how loose or completely bumpkiss it might be--AMD is prepared. Obviously a poor attempt to try to out play another poor attempt by Intel. To stall the market for a half a year or more.

 

[Furen]

Haha, spreading the faith...

I wouldn't say that Conroe's performance victory is a given because Intel spoon-fed us these benchmarks. Independent publications actually got the information but, assuming they weren't allowed to install stuff onto the systems, Intel chose which programs to allow them to run, at best. At worst that "modified" driver that was thrown into both systems hampered performance on the AMD system, or helped performance on the Intel one. So Intel prepared the gun and aimed while Anandtech pulled the trigger.

Rumor 1 - Licensed tech could be useful, but not all licesed tech makes it into products. DSL improvements are actually over non-stressed silicon, current Venices are stressed, I believe (it may actually be over bulk silicon).

Rumor 2 - 35W parts sound very good but they wont be going over 2GHz any time soon.

Rumor 3 - Define soon for me. I expect to see 65nm mobile/server parts this year (or perhaps I should say HOPE) but I doubt a major part of AMD's production will be 65nm before Q1/2 2007.

Rumor 4 - I completely agree with you in this regard. The release of these performance numbers is complete FUD and I'm actually disappointed all the major publications jumped on it (TR actually did a better job than most at it, but Anandtech said Intel "regains the performance crown" while working under very limited conditions on an engineering sample that could be insanely overvolted for all we know).

I think AMD is ready for it, of course, but I doubt its response will hit the market at the same time as Intel's Merom. Perhaps a couple of quarters later, if everything goes off as planned.

 

[dmens]

Hope? Faith? Spreading half-baked rumors? Why... that sounds like fanboyism! :Q

I particularly like this juxtaposition:

AMD is moving to 65nm soon.

On a transition that is expected in Q1'07.

isn't due out until Q4 of 2006 or Q1 of 2007... another poor attempt by Intel. To stall the market for a half a year or more

On a product that is expected to be in the market in 4 months.

 

[robertk2012]

All I heard was blah blah blah blah blah!

 

[n7]

I still think i will have a Conroe system this fall, based on what i've heard, seen, etc.

I don't really care if Intel's offering is better. Or whether AMD's pwns.
What mattters to me is who's offering the best bang for buck upgrade, & I simply don't see AM2 being miraculously better.

However, it all remains to be seen

 

[kknd1967]

Turion X2 runs at 1.075v. I posted a picture of CPUZ ealier in Turion X2 thread. Rumor2 might as well be realistic. But don't expect a good yield nor good speed.

Originally posted by: Regs
Ok I'm sick of this loss of hope for AMD crap. You would have to believe a 4 GHz prescott beats a 2.2GHz A64 to believe this hype from Intel.

Yes, Anandtech has "inspected" the test systems for a whole hour to make sure there was no trickery involved however Anandtech has no access of making a independent test using their own systems for more than 6 months from now. When 5 FPS can mean 10-15% in one test, this will become more and more important.

Rumor one - AMD has been developing new architecture with licensed IBM and RAMBUS technology. They also have been working on Dual Stress Liner. A joint development with IBM. Rumor has it, AMD can tweak 40% more from their current cores. Well, even as a AMD fanboi I can't believe AMD can pull 40% out of it.

Rumor two - AMD is making 35w X2's for AM2 and Turion 64 for mobile parts. And this is using 90nm, not 65nm.

Rumor three - AMD is moving to 65nm soon. More room for more cache. More importantly however is how fast will the cache be and will it have lower latencies.

Rumor four - Intel has taken the bait and bit hard by advertising hardware that isn't due out until Q4 of 2006 or Q1 of 2007.

Hint - AMD's Henri Richards is commenting on NetBurst's "failure" and feeding the public that conroe is the proof of how badly everybody bought into NetBurst. They are trying to gain more ground in the retail market. So no matter what Henri said, even though how loose or completely bumpkiss it might be--AMD is prepared. Obviously a poor attempt to try to out play another poor attempt by Intel. To stall the market for a half a year or more.

 

[m3a2]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30241

 

[Doctorweir]

:music: We gonna keep the faith :music:

 

[dug777]

i thought conroe was out in q3 :roll:

and for christs sakes, get over the fact that conroe beats k8 into a bloody pulp, at lower clockspeeds to boot.

I can't see why it's an issue of faith myself

 

[kknd1967]

Thanks m3a2. I made the links more attractive here, hopefully :

AMD AM2 4800+ benchmark preview

AMD S1 Turion X2 1.6G benchmark preview

Originally posted by: m3a2
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30241

 

[Keysplayr]

All I know is, if we can get an "FX-62" killer for half the price of an FX-60, what's the dilemna? This mainstream Conroe (if the benchmarks are accurate) seems like it could even waste a "FX-66" equivalent.

Regs, until we get in house reviews of this Conroe/Merom, you are going to have a hard time convincing people that Intel/Conroe/Merom is teh suxorz. You may have even been better off not posting this thread if all you intended to do was trash Intel. I thought I was just going to see what AMD had in the lineup when I clicked on the link.

Ah, well. You needed readers.

 

[nyker96]

AMD's gone bro from most prelim benches the new stuff from Intel is very strong. Unless AMD come up with something stronger than A64 recycle cores. They gonner I say.

 

[strummer]

AMD is playing this thing the right way. The Intel move was a sign of desperation, although they had to do what they did. They can't sit by for another 6 to 9 months and lose another 5 or 10 percent more marketshare, especially when they have a product that may be superior. If Intel was dealing from a position of strength, they would've ambushed AMD with an immediate release to retail (like AMD did with K8). That would've shaken AMD and the market, and AMD would've had less time to respond (unless AMD knew what was coming). This Intel move is a clear attempt to influence future purchase decisions and regain the initiative. Why would Intel broadcast their business strategy for the next 6 months to a year unless they had to do so.

There is a difference between talking about and actually utilizing competitive advantage. Wall Street knows this. The price of Intel stock has been flat since the Conroe benchmarking last week. In fact for the year, Intel is down over 20%, while AMD is down about 10%. This tells me that the street sees a price war, where earnings are depressed. They do not see AMD taking a big hit due to Conroe (AMD has also been relatively flat since the news last week). Obviously, a price war involving chips is good for us.

AMD is the classic counterpuncher. An underdog who has been battling against the superior resources of an industry giant. Someone like this never rests on their laurels. They will have a response to Intel. I think the real question at the end of this will be how close Intel has closed the gap, not whether they are in the lead.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: strummer
AMD is playing this thing the right way. The Intel move was a sign of desperation, although they had to do what they did. They can't sit by for another 6 to 9 months and lose another 5 or 10 percent more marketshare, especially when they have a product that may be superior. If Intel was dealing from a position of strength, they would've ambushed AMD with an immediate release to retail (like AMD did with K8). That would've shaken AMD and the market, and AMD would've had less time to respond (unless AMD knew what was coming). This Intel move is a clear attempt to influence future purchase decisions and regain the initiative. Why would Intel broadcast their business strategy for the next 6 months to a year unless they had to do so.

There is a difference between talking about and utilizing competitive advantage. Wall Street knows this. The price of Intel stock has been flat since the Conroe benchmarking last week. In fact for the year, Intel is down over 20%, while AMD is down about 10%. This tells me that the street sees a price war, where earnings are depressed. They do not see AMD taking a big hit due to Conroe (AMD has also been relatively flat since the news last week). Obviously, a price war involving chips is good for us.

AMD is the classic counterpuncher. An underdog who has been battling against the superior resources of an industry giant. Someone like this never rests on their laurels. They will have a response to Intel. I think the real question at the end of this will be how close Intel has closed the gap, not whether they are in the lead.

Ding Ding Ding...That is it...It sure works....

Also remember AMD goes to business server market first and iNtel goes to desktop first...That has been the MO for the last 3 years easy......

Intel may take the desktop market first but AMD has a bit of room in the business market and I think quad cores will arrive with AMD slightly first...That is where the monewy is for AMD....

 

[openwheelformula1]

Well said strummer. Add K8L and it's doubled FP units to the rumor list as well. This is going to be good for consumers that Intel finally is losing market share quickly and decided to offer some quality stuff.

dmen, fanboyism is everything in your post archive. Servers Opterons are moving to 65nm later this year, not 07.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
Well said strummer. Add K8L and it's doubled FP units to the rumor list as well. This is going to be good for consumers that Intel finally is losing market share quickly and decided to offer some quality stuff.

dmen, fanboyism is everything in your post archive. Servers Opterons are moving to 65nm later this year, not 07.

Dmens comments should be taken with a grain of salt...Have you heard of "viral marketing"??? Dmens is an INtel employee and is unlikely to ever spew anything negative against INtel or positive against AMD....I just read over his crap....


I agree...From what I have heard it seems as quad core opterons will hit first and be to market before Intels quad core lineup...AMD is still focusing on busiess market first...I dont blame them....We all just want the cheapest cpu so we can overclock the piss out of it...kinda cuts into their profits anyways....

 

[dmens]

LOL, you're going to take my mockery of fanboys with a "grain of salt". That's a good one. How about this, try proving my posts wrong instead of moping about chanting to yourself that engineers can only propangandize for their employer. You see, that's not my real job to begin with, I don't want to be a marketer, and I sure as hell won't do it for free, online in a f'ing forum nonetheless. Morever, I've been pointing out weaknesses of netburst for a long time. The correct weaknesses I might add, not the crap fanboy rants like "SMT is fake", or "pipestage long = bad", myths are still quite popular, haha.

Here's a quick example:
This is fanboyism: "K8L will beat conroe because it has double FPU units"
This is not: "I doubt a simple doubling of FPU units on the K8 will yield linear gains due to its scheduling mechanism and relatively lower usage rate of the units".

Oddly enough, people like openwheel see the second statement as a rabid defense of intel.

openwhell, please don't get pissed because you got caught with your pants down flinging bullshit left and right.

 

[BrownTown]

Personally dmens is one of those people who I actually listen when they have something to say, especially when its different then what I believe. On a forum like this its important to be able to seperate professionals who actually know what they are talking about (dmens) from engineering sutents in college who think they know what they are talking about (myself), and fanboys who don't think at all (half this forum)...

 

[SubtleIntelFreak]

AMD's roadmap? Leads straight here

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Personally dmens is one of those people who I actually listen when they have something to say, especially when its different then what I believe. On a forum like this its important to be able to seperate professionals who actually know what they are talking about (dmens) from engineering sutents in college who think they know what they are talking about (myself), and fanboys who don't think at all (half this forum)...

There are much better INtel employees I converse with here and sometimes just in PMs....I haven't seen dmens offer much of anything to this board!!!

SORRY that is just how I see it...

He is obviously pretty dense...I think he may just be a janitor or something at INtel....

I have rep[eatedly said I am buying a Conroe..I go with the best and I am sure they will be the best in the desktop market come August...I am no fanboy...I have owned both (repetaedly back and forth since 1996) which I am sure is more than him...

 

[dmens]

You're right, you've switched more than me, the last intel I used was a P3-550 back in college. It's really too bad if you don't see the technical aspects of my posts, probably because you don't understand the details. The most fun I have on AT is dissecting bullshit people like you post. Fun times.

 

[AkumaX]

You know what

I can't wait to switch to a Penta-Core Via C5. A joint venture between XGI, ULI, 3DFX... and Infinium Labs

 

[Zebo]

I know you're new here but calling Duvie a fanboy just highlights your ignorance to those who have been here. He uses the best, simple as that. Goes off repeatable and independantly verifiable benchmarks to make his choice.. I've known him 4 years and always the same.. AMD fanboys calling him intel zealot and Intel fanboys calling him AMD droid.. While he uses whats top of the line regaurdless of make..

 

[dmens]

I didn't call him a fanboy. I just said he didn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: dmens
I didn't call him a fanboy. I just said he didn't know what he's talking about.

You are a moron then, and Zebo and I agree on that.