American Cars vs. Imports

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so, because you own a 1337 QX4 (not just any ordinary one), you know all about ferraris, lambos, corvettes, and other performance vehicles?

My previous car was Jaguar XJS, which had a V12 engine. So I think that's closer than you.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so, because you own a 1337 QX4 (not just any ordinary one), you know all about ferraris, lambos, corvettes, and other performance vehicles?

My previous car was Jaguar XJS, which had a V12 engine. So I think that's closer than you.

Which still isn't as cool as a Vette.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so, because you own a 1337 QX4 (not just any ordinary one), you know all about ferraris, lambos, corvettes, and other performance vehicles?

My previous car was Jaguar XJS, which had a V12 engine. So I think that's closer than you.

previous car. key word, there.

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

so how is an NSX vs. a malibu a valid comparison? american cars typically have more torque than foreign counterparts, at least in the performance category. example: audi RS4 develops 414hp and 317 lb-ft of torque, whereas a chrysler 300 SRT-8 offers 425hp (roughly the same) but 420 lb-ft of torque.

and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

Tunned 4.2L V8 vs a 6.1L V8.

Not to mention the 8250 rpm redline.

The RS4 also gets more HP per cylinder.

the RS4 also has less torque per cylinder, and the 0-60 times are relatively close given the massive weight of the 300.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: funboy42
Give me my good old ameriam muscle over an import any day. I can work on it myself and parts are super cheap. On my 88 Firebird a engine will be less then $500 and take about 1 hour to swap. Its fast off the line and takes corners still with the best of the imports. She will do over 120 MPH, which, in America is enough that if I get pulled over to have my license taken away for a few years and my car impounded. Top speed is rather useless here in America. Off the line and cornering is where it is at and there are a lot of American cars that can do this just fine enough. So for me Hillbilly American Muscle easy to fix, parts are a dime a dozen, and in most cases repairs are done faster on an American Car then an Import. Thats fine by me. Keep buying them other cars and keeping my American cars on the cheap so I can continue to afford them

WHOA! '88 'Bird? 170 HP from 5 liters... pure muscle! i can just imagine what that's like off the line. do you need to wear depends to experience that? i bet if you bounce it off the limiter and drop the clutch, you even get a little bit of wheelspin! Dukes o' Hazzard, baybee! i bet you can even beat a 1988 Honda Civic 4WD Station Wagon in a drag race with that puppy! and the civic has 4WD so it has the advantage! plus, think of all the fine babes you can pick up in that thing. top off the oil, rev that 5.0 to attract them like flies, top off the oil again, drive them to KFC, top off the oil again, drive them out in the woods, show 'em what you got, top off the oil again, drive them back to the corner where you picked them up, top off the oil, call the tow truck, and get a ride home in style. man, give me a good old american muscle car any day.

You show you know absolutely nothing about cars. For one it is a auto and it will spin the tires all day long because its not all about the HP but the torque and gearing. I can spin the tires with my fat ass in it and loaded with the car riding on the axle from the groceries (holds 2 carts full NP with room to spare), and yet I still can squeal the tires. As for oil leaks and burning oil think again. It doesnt leak or burn a damn drop and the engine has no blow by. The car has new tires, brakes, paint, engine, trans, gas tank, fuel pump, radiator, thermostat, and trans mount. Also cost me $2000 out the door with all of that. And it prolly has less rust then your car to boot for mine has none all around including underneith where it looks like the day it came off the show room and that goes for the fuel and brake lines still shinny silver.

So dont you worry you little head there. It gets 30mpg, gets tons of looks and complemnts, and has the power stock to waste a lot of rice. Kinda sad a $2000 V8 powered American muscle car can waste a lot of cars, do 120 easily all day for long strides, and at 70mph gets 30mpg and idles at that speed at 1600 rpm. Parts like water pump or alt are easy to get to, cost under $30, and can be done in under 20 minutes. Not to mention everything eles that needs to be done on it doesnt require take to a mechanic because its such an easy car to work on unlike a lot of rice imports. One damn vacumme line and your spending all day troubleshooting it because it acts like all kids of other problems and throws codes and lights. I have owned over 300 cars since the age of 14, rice, imports, high dolloar and cheap. Now that I can't buy and sell like I used to I own an American car because I owned it all. If you knew anything about cars at all the older American Muscle cars are the easiest and cheapest to maintain. And no thats not rust its dirt on a white car
Yehaw gonna go smack my bitch and pick me up more beer

LO3

Years: 1987-93

The LO3 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the TPI 305). It produced 170 hp and 255 ft·lbf of torque (185 HP @ 4,400 / 275 TQ @ 2,400 in 1993-1995 GM trucks). The 305 dropped the Computer-controlled carburetor and received the fuel-injected TBI (throttle-body injection). The TBI unit consisted of two barrels, much like those of a two barrel carb, but instead of "jets", there was a fuel-injector placed above each barrel, resulting in a 2-barrel, 2-injector setup. The TBI uses a unique injector firing scheme, for every rotation of the engine, each injector fired twice.

Fuel Type
Regular

MPG (city)
17

MPG (highway)
26 I get 30+ since where I live everything is all highway and flat land. Set the cruise and go.


And if I want more HP and massive torque just have to swap out my intake and injectors for bigger ones made by Holley which would take me a whoping 30 minutes to do and about $400. OH and if I want more when it turns 20years old will be exempt from exhaust emmisions (is now where I live because there is none) so I can buy a 454 long block, throw in some 3:73 gears and limited slip in the rear, and for under $1k will smoke almost anything that isnt named like 911, 949 Z06 And between my Firebird and a Import with a fart can I wonder who would be the first to be pulled over for speeding, sound pollution, and emissions and have their car impounded

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

so how is an NSX vs. a malibu a valid comparison? american cars typically have more torque than foreign counterparts, at least in the performance category. example: audi RS4 develops 414hp and 317 lb-ft of torque, whereas a chrysler 300 SRT-8 offers 425hp (roughly the same) but 420 lb-ft of torque.

and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

First, it wasn't JLGatsby that wrote the post. And to my exact point, they are filming Viper and Vette in comparison to Hondas. O noes....a $90k car is a whole lot cooler than a $20k car? Like we don't already know....

I could've make the same film that bash American cars and what people done to the Mustangs....please

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another typical American "i got all the power and torque" vs Japanese "rice and puny crap". Give me a break. Why not compare a Malibu with and NSX while we at it?

How about Nissan Skyline R34 vs Ford Focus?

How about bringing in the Germans here? How about bringing in Lambo and Ferrari vs Mustang?

You drive whatever you want to drive and whatever you can afford...why make fun of what other people drive? (yea, stupid spoilers look ridiculous...but i've seen riced mustangs)

so how is an NSX vs. a malibu a valid comparison? american cars typically have more torque than foreign counterparts, at least in the performance category. example: audi RS4 develops 414hp and 317 lb-ft of torque, whereas a chrysler 300 SRT-8 offers 425hp (roughly the same) but 420 lb-ft of torque.

and for the record, WHAT DO YOU DRIVE, gatsby?

First, it wasn't JLGatsby that wrote the post. And to my exact point, they are filming Viper and Vette in comparison to Hondas. O noes....a $90k car is a whole lot cooler than a $20k car? Like we don't already know....

I could've make the same film that bash American cars and what people done to the Mustangs....please

sorry.. i only saw the dollar sign, which i associate with gatsby

 

[50cent1228]

imports are better

 

[Aftermath]

I wonder what's worse, being on a computer forum and watching man-boys argue about cars, or going on an (true) automotive forum and watching them debate AMD vs. Intel.

Probably being here, because at least on an automotive forum they probably all realize that they're talking out of their ass and don't try so hard to hide it. Here, everyone is an "expert."

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: 50cent1228
imports are better

This coming from the person that thinks Carlos Mencia is one of the funniest people alive. :roll:

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Aftermath
I wonder what's worse, being on a computer forum and watching man-boys argue about cars, or going on an (true) automotive forum and watching them debate AMD vs. Intel.

Probably being here, because at least on an automotive forum they probably all realize that they're talking out of their ass and don't try so hard to hide it. Here, everyone is an "expert."

It doesn't take an expert to know that a $90,000 car is faster and cooler looking than a $20-30k imports.....What a childish video...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Top speed is great for an authobahn, in realioty where in America are you going to use it. Acelaeration from stop light to stop light is what American roads are made for.

In reality, where are you going to use acceleration? From one stop sign to the next? You're still breaking the law if you're burning rubber on a street or speeding, what's the difference?

American cars simply CANNOT hang in terms of top speed. I don't think an American car has ever been made that could do 200mph stock right off the lot, let alone the 220mph+ (a few 240+) some Euro cars are doing.

McLaren F1, 240.18 mph....

I do believe this is American and performs as such off the showroom floor.

Not that I care one way or another about this discussion, but jeez, do some damn research...

 

[Aftermath]

Yeah, some tool in the United States decided to make a (probable) jovial video about cliche American V8 vehicles against silly little imports and put it on YouTube.

Hey everybody, lets go riot in the streets!

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

 

[beemercer]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: 50cent1228
imports are better

This coming from the person that thinks Carlos Mencia is one of the funniest people alive. :roll:

Ooooff .

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Yes, all Euro cars do 240+

:roll:

Km/h?

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I'd like to compare top speeds of Euro cars with top speeds of those hillbilly American cars.

Euro cars would reign supreme every time. American cars just aren't built solid enough to sustain extreme speeds, that's why the rednecks who own them always put acceleration over topspeed. Who cares about acceleration.

Most everyone. Since you really can't run top speed much at all, it's really irrelevant.

On the other hand, you can most certainly race someone from a stoplight up to the speed limit or so quite often.

And you are foolish if you think the American cars couldn't hang in top speed, and therefore were built for acceleration.
Change the gearing, and a car that accelerates great will then have great top speed.

EXACTLY! I cant drive 200mph anywhere around here. But I can mash the gas from a stop light and be pinned to my seat. I love that feeling!

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Top speed is great for an authobahn, in realioty where in America are you going to use it. Acelaeration from stop light to stop light is what American roads are made for.

In reality, where are you going to use acceleration? From one stop sign to the next? You're still breaking the law if you're burning rubber on a street or speeding, what's the difference?

American cars simply CANNOT hang in terms of top speed. I don't think an American car has ever been made that could do 200mph stock right off the lot, let alone the 220mph+ (a few 240+) some Euro cars are doing.

McLaren F1, 240.18 mph....

I do believe this is American and performs as such off the showroom floor.

Not that I care one way or another about this discussion, but jeez, do some damn research...

WTF man? Did you miss the post where I acknowledged I was wrong? Or do you just like rubbing mistakes in someone's face? Piss off.

 

[LS20]

pretty funny video. also, please refrain from responding to jlgatsby. the community thanks you in advance

 

[Insomniator]

haha nice flames on the tbird, real classy

I'll never buy an american car.. volvos are my car.

 

[Oblivionaire]

I liked this car

What make model is that car? I've never seen it before.

 

[JS80]

What car is that at 00:38?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
so what exactly is the typical muscle car, since you seem to know everything, gatsby?

Any large, heavy, American sports car. Mostly the ones of the 60s and early 70s is the first thing that comes to mind on "American muscle." But today's America sports cars, Corvettes and Mustangs could also be considered muscle cars.

A 2006 Mustang GT is my daily driver. My "other cars" are two of the best handling street machines ever to leave Germany. The simple fact is that both types have redeeming qualities. The Mustang is one hell of a fun car. Sure, the 951 would take it on a track, but with the tire pressures adjusted and no other changes the the Mustang gave a Boxster driver far more than he expected on a rainy day through the curves on the foothills of the Cascades. Stayed glued to his bumper the whole time (and yes, he was trying, it was a buddy of mine from the PCA).

I will never understand the single-mindedness of people who continuously spew hatred for one type of car or another. Honestly, both sides, why not just whip it out and measure yourselves and be done with it.

Friggin' children.

ZV

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: Oblivionaire
I liked this car

What make model is that car? I've never seen it before.

Pantera by the looks of it.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
haha nice flames on the tbird, real classy

I'll never buy an american car.. volvos are my car.

HA and I bet you get all kinds of people walking up wanting to look at your......volvo........or look really cool as you pass them and chirp the tires as you go by when the car shifts into second too :disgust:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Atheus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c

I like how they spent the entire telling of how it's "trying" to be taken seriously, implying Corvettes are typically not, which is true. And Clarkson said it best in that video:

"As something to live with every day, I'd rather have bird-flu."

It's made like crap. Terrible ride, cheaply engineered, cheap interior, cheap exterior. It's just a powerful engine in a lightweight frame, nothing else. No engineering marvels, no technology, no nothing.

If you watch Top Gear at all you'll know that Jeremy Clarkson hates anything American. He needs to get over that fact that Americans kicked the Brits out over 200 years ago, then kicked their asses again in 1812. He doesn't like the Vette because he's jealous of it and that it cost half of what any European car that comes close to it.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Oblivionaire
I liked this car

What make model is that car? I've never seen it before.

Pantera by the looks of it.

First of all, there's no such make as "Pantera". The company "DeTomaso" built a car by the model name "Pantera".

Second, the car in the picture never existed. It's an AMX/2. It was a show vehicle produced by American Motors Corporation that was never cleared for production. The company made a 2 non-running styling models, but never built a functioning version. The car in that image has no interior, and no drivetrain.

ZV