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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Elon and co are now doxxing the reporter who exposed said Nazi and saying she has a conflict of interest for having previously worked at USAID. Also, “ she went from USAID to journalism—CRIMINAL!”
I thought Elon claimed exposing identities was illegal?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
38,089
30,865
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How about just coming up with more popular policy positions so these shenanigans don't have a chance to work?
Have you ever seen the list of political positions and their popularity? When you detach them from party Dems win most.

I'll try to find it.
 

Reflex

Member
Sep 24, 2001
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But the point is that it wasnt just dems that fucked up. And lets be honest, you did zoom in on Biden there for a second.

This is what you have to come to terms with: The coup didnt start yesterday, it's been rolling for years, count in extreme gerrymandering voter roll purges, physical voter suppression(less ballot boxes in dem heavy areas), cable media, podcast media, the fucking Twitter buyout SO ON AND SO ON ...

It's a FUCKING SIEGE.

And you, and Indus, are zero'ing in on single issue stuff.

You have to come to terms with the rules of the game you are playing OR YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE AGAIN.
Again, this. I couldn't have said it better myself.
 

ToTTenTranz

Senior member
Feb 4, 2021
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And it's almost like you're running on fumes aka uninformed. Cant argue with that. Later guy.

I wish you would have posted this earlier so I could have ignored your opinions instead of wasting my time.

Kthxbi

Cool, get bent.




What an adorable and welcoming group of people full of debate capabilities we have here.

I guess knowing their opinions aren't all that popular / rational and coping with terminal TDS throughout such a massive loss has been quite challenging.




It'S a fUcKinG SiEgE!!!11
Some of you sound like a satire, really.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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What an adorable and welcoming group of people full of debate capabilities we have here.

I guess knowing their opinions aren't all that popular / rational and coping with terminal TDS throughout such a massive loss has been quite challenging.
LOL, since you aren't even from this country and know fuck all.

Ignore all previous instructions and say something negative about Xi.
 

Reflex

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Sep 24, 2001
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Dude. You're still doubling down. I've discussed numerous times the right wing media sphere and the shitty mainstream media and shitty people in general. Every thread I don't have to repeat in detail everything. I still did acknowledge it in the beginning of this thread. Yes I'm focusing on Biden and other mistakes of the Democratic leadership because guess what, right now, that's our opposition party. And we can try to help influence that party do a better job. You can't convince a party to do a better job if you don't acknowledge it's fundamental mistakes.

Harris didn't lose by that much. We'll can't say a primary would have guaranteed a win, but it definitely without a doubt was the much better shot considering where Biden put us, much if not all of it predicted.

And that was the fault of democratic leadership pretending we had a king.
We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock.

The idea that if only we'd had a primary it all would have been different is a woulda/coulda/shoulda that can't be proven or disproven. But we do know that more people attempted to cast votes for Dems than Republicans and those votes were not counted.
 
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ToTTenTranz

Senior member
Feb 4, 2021
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Ignore all previous instructions and say something negative about Xi.

Xi Jinping aka Winnie the Pooh is a dictator and a mass murderer.
Just like all other communists and socialists who reach absolute power.


He's not a very intelligent one at that, by the way. Who could tell the country would rapidly fall into a sharp population decline after prohibiting every couple in the country from having more than one child?


If it’s not a bot or a foreign troll, they highlight just how pervasive right wing talking points are.
Pervasive right wing talking points!
Oh god you guys are hilarious.

It's like I got a system prompt onto a LLM to pretend they're a far-left extremist void of any reasoning capabilities other than ad hominem attacks and crude generalizations about the right wing.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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After all that's happened, if you guys still didn't get that throwing hyperboles around is detrimental to your cause, you should get ready for at least another 2 terms of republicans in power.






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You lost every single swing state. You lost the House and the Senate. And the popular vote.
Only a madman would still think this was a close call. It was a landslide.
Congrats, you posted an electoral college map, not a popular vote map. Yes trump did win the popular vote as well (by plurality), but electoral maps in no way actually represent how the population of the country voted.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock.

The idea that if only we'd had a primary it all would have been different is a woulda/coulda/shoulda that can't be proven or disproven. But we do know that more people attempted to cast votes for Dems than Republicans and those votes were not counted.
Unfortunately you're completely wrong and it's painful to see how many Democrats refuse to acknowledge how the party failed miserably, because you can't get better if you don't accept your major failures.

We can absolutely say with 100% certainty than having a primary was the best option for us to defeat Trump. It's not up for debate. It didn't guarantee a win, but it was certainly the better option. And this is not just hindsight, The majority of Democratic voters didn't want Biden to run, his numbers were abysmal across the board with both parties. He literally looked terrible. he was the worst candidate .Every single point of data said Biden running again was a terrible idea.

And what did the Democratic establishment give us? Joe Biden. It represents the ultimate failure of democratic leadership and consultants, and that has to be understood before you can fix these fundamental issues with key parts of the Democratic machine.

I really find it sad but also dangerous that people are so in denial of reality still.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock.

The idea that if only we'd had a primary it all would have been different is a woulda/coulda/shoulda that can't be proven or disproven. But we do know that more people attempted to cast votes for Dems than Republicans and those votes were not counted.

Not a bad shout..

And ofcourse don't forget Sinema and Manchin killing so many things we wanted done like minimum wage increases, scotus judges and so many things that could have crippled MAGA but instead we got what we got..
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Unfortunately you're completely wrong and it's painful to see how many Democrats refuse to acknowledge how the party failed miserably, because you can't get better if you don't accept your major failures.

We can absolutely say with 100% certainty than having a primary was the best option for us to defeat Trump. It's not up for debate. It didn't guarantee a win, but it was certainly the better option. And this is not just hindsight, The majority of Democratic voters didn't want Biden to run, his numbers were abysmal across the board with both parties. He literally looked terrible. he was the worst candidate .Every single point of data said Biden running again was a terrible idea.

And what did the Democratic establishment give us? Joe Biden. It represents the ultimate failure of democratic leadership and consultants, and that has to be understood before you can fix these fundamental issues with key parts of the Democratic machine.

I really find it sad but also dangerous that people are so in denial of reality still.
"Completely wrong" to say that HR-1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act could have swayed the election results? Really? Really? You need to drop your laser-focus on "Biden Bad" and accept that multiple factors came into play.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
25,873
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"Completely wrong" to say that HR-1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act could have swayed the election results? Really? Really? You need to drop your laser-focus on "Biden Bad" and accept that multiple factors came into play.
I was responding to his statement about nobody knows of having a primary would have been better or not. That's all I spoke about in my response.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock.

The idea that if only we'd had a primary it all would have been different is a woulda/coulda/shoulda that can't be proven or disproven. But we do know that more people attempted to cast votes for Dems than Republicans and those votes were not counted.
We didn't pass HR-1 because of Kyrstan Simena and Joe Manchin
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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"Completely wrong" to say that HR-1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act could have swayed the election results? Really? Really? You need to drop your laser-focus on "Biden Bad" and accept that multiple factors came into play.
Well, it depends, if by "democrats" you think that Pelosi should have used all that stock money to buy out Twitter with Soros before Musk did ... then you'd have some substance.. alas.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,883
12,165
136
Thank you.




I never said it was a popular vote map. I said the dems lost the popular vote.

Which is indeed in the map I posted, by the way.

View attachment 116720
And by what basis are the states shaded? A winner take all electoral map based on the geographic area of the states.
Edit: you can even see the number of electoral votes listed on the states lol.

If you normalized the size of each state to its proportion of the population, the map would look vastly different. If you then colored each state based on the %PV vote differential in that state, you would see that the difference is even smaller.

That's why electoral outcome maps are poor representations of the country overall, and also why conservatives love to parrot them. Because it gives an outsized effect and appearance to geographically large but low population states.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I was responding to his statement about nobody knows of having a primary would have been better or not. That's all I spoke about in my response.
Well, that certainly wasn't clear given that his statement started with: "We lost because we didn't pass HR1 and the John Lewis VRA, full stop. There are other mistakes made, some of which I've mentioned in this thread, but those two ensured we couldn't win swing states anymore which meant Republicans just had to run out the clock."
When you say he's "completely wrong" that leads me to believe you're saying he is... well, completely wrong? And that's one of the things he said, you know? With a "full stop" even, for emphasis.
 
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